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Blackbird
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Re: Australia won't back away from data retention plan

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POLICE commissioners have called for access to people's telecommunications data for at least five years, saying the longer telcos hold such data the easier it will be to solve and prevent crimes. ...

»www.theaustralian.com.au/news/br···81572079

Having a checkpoint at every intersection requiring and logging identity papers presented by everyone would also be a useful idea for later determining who was going where at what time, making it easier to solve and prevent crimes. But the issue is not whether some scheme might be useful for law enforcement to do their job... it's whether the scheme could (and ultimately would) be likely employed by some agency or despot for politically repressive purposes. History is replete with examples of the latter.
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It is something that can be of concern, it can be innocent or a serious extension into a population controlled future by big brother.

»www.abc.net.au/technology/articl···9864.htm

Why are people so worried about data retention and the National Security Inquiry?

Putting measures in place to stop criminals and terrorists is good, right? So why are so many people howling with outrage at what's being discussed at the National Security Enquiry? (oops on the spelling)

• What is the inquiry?
• What is being discussed?
• It's only online, right?
• Being forced to hand over your private passwords
• Protecting journalist sources and whistle blowers
• The undermining of the Right To Remain Silent
• Security
• Exposure
• The body scanners lies and privacy fails
• Fallible police
• Everyone has broken the law
• Copyright
• Fishing trips
• Policy creep
• Conclusion

I know I've tried to keep Assange out of this topic, but if this was all in place, he wouldn't have to worry about the US, it would be his own nation who would crucify him and label it treason, his sources and anyone else who decided to be public about anything the govt/police/ASIO or any other agency didn't like would be included.

How is that protecting the general public? It does sound like it is eroding our privacy. And while you say it is only the meta-data, there has been mention of the whole data too.

Call me a troll:
Add all this into breaking down privacy rights, expensive Internet becoming more expensive......you have to wonder on the real reasons behind the NBN roll out as well.
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said by norwegian:

It is something that can be of concern, it can be innocent or a serious extension into a population controlled future by big brother.

FIFY (Fixed it for ya)

Do you watch the ABC series Rake? (US readers that have DirecTV can watch it on the Audience channel). Hilarious! Anyway the most recent episode (in the US) satirized Australia's anti-terrorism laws.
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said by StuartMW:

Do you watch the ABC series Rake? (US readers that have DirecTV can watch it on the Audience channel). Hilarious! Anyway the most recent episode (in the US) satirized Australia's anti-terrorism laws.

No, but remember many years of that dry tv humor (not just British) that it sounds like; from the few clips I looked up it would almost be the sort of laugh that would get you hung, or at least followed closely because you listened to "Alice's Restaurant" by Arlo Guthrie as well.

Even "Yes Prime minister" was a straight up look at how some may just toss decisions about for the good of the country. Does that idea or theory constitute a log at level 2 in the recording studio for future analysis?
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Well I loved Yes Prime Minister! I took it as satire about the Parliamentary system.

James Hacker (the PM) was usually, but not always, clueless. Sir Humphrey Appleby (the bureaucrat) was always trying to thwart Hacker (the politician).
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It was all in how you interpreted those words; Sir H could untwist fencing wire with his.



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said by norwegian:

Sir H could untwist fencing wire with his.

Or twist it--which is what he was usually doing
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