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<description><![CDATA[norwegian posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1140294" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1140294');">Blackbird</a>:</said><p>I'm disappointed that his plaintive cry continues to be that the US bogey-man will "get him", rather than boldly rising up to look such a situation directly in the eye and to make a principled stand for freedom of speech or freedom of information or freedom of journalism or whatever other freedom he claims to be defending. Instead, he continues to duck and hide, spewing repetitious press releases at every turn. I suspect many others, some of them his past financial supporters, are increasingly disappointed for these and other reasons.<br> </p></div>Well put - it could just be how some of his supporters are feeling, hence the articles posted directly above in regards to Anon. We are all outsiders in this story and they were closer to him than we will ever be.<br><br>I enjoyed reading your reply. Hopefully Julian has a minute to read it too. <br><small>--<br>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing - Edmund Burke<br><br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Frodo posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/766601" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=766601');">AVD</a>:</said><p>nothing new here. I think the way it works is that Sweden should ask for extradition from equador directly. UK has no beef with Assuange. <br> </p></div>I see a problem with trying to ask for extradition from Ecuador directly.  According to this Wikipedia <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplomatic_mission">article</a>, the Ecuadorian embassy is not soverign territory of Ecuador.  <br><small>Contrary to popular belief, diplomatic missions do not enjoy full extraterritorial status and are not sovereign territory of the represented state.[5][6] Rather, the premises of diplomatic missions remain under the jurisdiction of the host state while being afforded special privileges (such as immunity from most local laws) by the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations. Diplomats themselves still retain full diplomatic immunity, and (as an adherent to the Vienna Convention) the host country may not enter the premises of the mission without permission of the represented country. The term "extraterritoriality" is often applied to diplomatic missions, but only in this broader sense.</small><br><br>If this is true, then Assange is still on British soil.  That could mean that Sweden needs to pursue extradition with GB.  The stumbling block remains that Great Britain and Sweden decline to arrange the extradition in a way that would preclude any subsequent extradition to a 3rd country, such as the US.  That would involve guarantees under article 28(4) of the <a href="http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:32002F0584:en:HTML">Council Framework Decision of 13 June 2002 on the European arrest warrant and the surrender procedures between Member States</a> along with arrangements to eliminate ways to circumvent that agreement.  According to <a href="http://klamberg.blogspot.com/2012/08/extradition-of-assange-to-us-via-sweden.html">update one</a> there may be a way to circumvent the framework.  If that stumbling block is removed, then it is my understanding that Ecuador will surrender Assange. <br><br>However, at this point, from what I've heard, Great Britain and Sweden have declined to handle this extradition in a way that would preclude a subsequent extradition to a 3rd country.   ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Blackbird posted : Someone else's motives can be a very difficult thing to judge, perhaps ultimately impossible. But the chain of events <u>immediately</u> leading to where Assange is today include fleeing judicial process for sexual accusations in Sweden, being sought for extradition from the UK for that by Sweden, promising to abide by bail terms in UK while that extradition was being appealed, and finally (thus far) jumping bail into the sanctuary of a 3rd World embassy in the UK. To a purely jurist mind, his ongoing word would now mean little or nothing. These are all holes he has dug by himself, for himself.<br><br>It seems to me that it's to defend against legal consequences of all these actions for which he wants financial assistance. Granted, he claims that such defence is against ultimate extradition to the US for ill-defined crimes for which he's never been charged, but at present that remains only a claim. Whatever his "life path" might be purported to be, his trajectory of late seems filled with very much of "Assange" and very little of "freedom of information."<br><br>Whatever happened to the courage of one's conviction? I'm disappointed that Assange entangled himself in whatever he did in Sweden, illegal or not, with so many more-significant things at stake. I'm disappointed that he's run from the immediate legal processes and consequences there. I'm disappointed that he broke his word in applying for bail in the UK and jumping it. I'm disappointed that his plaintive cry continues to be that the US bogey-man will "get him", rather than boldly rising up to look such a situation directly in the eye and to make a principled stand for freedom of speech or freedom of information or freedom of journalism or whatever other freedom he claims to be defending. Instead, he continues to duck and hide, spewing repetitious press releases at every turn. I suspect many others, some of them his past financial supporters, are increasingly disappointed for these and other reasons.<br><small>--<br>"Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God!" -- P.Henry, 1775</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[norwegian posted : <div class="bquote"><p>We have been worried about the direction WikiLeaks is going for a while. In the recent month the focus moved away from actual leaks and the fight for freedom of information further and further while it concentrated more and more on Julian Assange," the statement said.</p></div> <br><br>That does seem the case of late. <br><br><div class="bquote"><p>It also expressed annoyance with the 41-year-old Australian's recent meeting with pop diva Lady Gaga at the embassy.</p></div>So now he has to bow to the beliefs of Anon to still be on his life path? He has to pay the bills somehow, and business and friends sometimes cross those paths. We understand our enemies better than our friends sometimes.<br><small>--<br>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing - Edmund Burke<br><br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[norwegian posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1140294" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1140294');">Blackbird</a>:</said><p>Assange's list of allies grows thin...<br> </p></div>It seems though there are 2 angles to this:<br><br>1. He is doing it to raise pocket money and possibly become rich.<br><br>2. He is trying to help cover funds for now and the future towards the campaign.<br><br>The problem here is what are the motives? <br><br>Remember his funds ex Australia were shut down by a few well laid words. He then jumps bail. While the second was his own doing, the first would have had major impacts on any direction going forward, "ego" as quoted, or any other reason. But because the site is asking for donations it is automatically a bad thing. Where do Anon get their funds etc? Big corporation shifts in any direction can change the flow of money in an instant, it's a 101 of today's economics. We aren't bartering for sheep and cows anymore, last time I checked. (Excuse those few countries that still live a simple existence.) <br><small>--<br>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing - Edmund Burke<br><br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Name Game posted : <div class="bquote"><p>When parts of WikiLeaks' website recently disappeared behind a banner asking that users make a donation &#151; a tactic similar to the paywalls of some newspapers online &#151; anger exploded across the Internet, with criticism coming from many who had backed the organization in the past.<br><br>"This, dear friends will lose you all allies you still had," said a statement posted by a heavily-followed, Anonymous-linked Twitter account.<br><br>The scale of the annoyance among Anonymous supporters was difficult to gauge because the leaderless movement is by its nature hard to get a handle on. But several closely watched Twitter accounts linked to Anonymous expressed anger and unhappiness with the move.<br><br>One released a full statement saying that the fundraising campaign was the final straw.<br><br>"We have been worried about the direction WikiLeaks is going for a while. In the recent month the focus moved away from actual leaks and the fight for freedom of information further and further while it concentrated more and more on Julian Assange," the statement said. It also expressed annoyance with the 41-year-old Australian's recent meeting with pop diva Lady Gaga at the embassy.</p></div>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/12/wikileaks-fundraising-stunt-anonymous-ire_n_1960622.html" >www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/1&middot;&middot;&middot;622.html</A><br><small>--<br>Gladiator Security Forum <br> &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.gladiator-antivirus.com/" >www.gladiator-antivirus.com/</A> <br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Name Game posted : Anonymous withdraws support for WikiLeaks<br><br><div class="bquote"><p>WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has lost another high-profile supporter as Anonymous, the hacking collective, said the whistleblowing site had been &#147;ruined by egos&#148;.<br>Anonymous, a loose group of internet &#147;hacktivists&#148;, has been one of WikiLeaks&#146; closest allies during the past two years, launching cyber attacks against the site&#146;s opponents and, some claim, becoming a source of its material.<br><br>But leading Anonymous accounts on Twitter, which rallied behind WikiLeaks and Mr Assange despite his legal and financial woes, have now withdrawn their support, decrying the freedom-of-information project as a &#147;One Man Julian Assange show&#148;.<br>Calling the split &#147;the end of an era&#148;, Anonymous tweeted: &#147;It was an awesome idea, ruined by egos.&#148;</p></div>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/17e6d936-1486-11e2-aa93-00144feabdc0.html" >www.ft.com/cms/s/0/17e6d936-1486&middot;&middot;&middot;dc0.html</A><br><small>--<br>Gladiator Security Forum <br> &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.gladiator-antivirus.com/" >www.gladiator-antivirus.com/</A> <br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Ian posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1159554" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1159554');">norwegian</a>:</said><p>She has basically used the power of her seat to thwart his cause. I can understand the want to hit back with a deformation suite of some sort. <br><br> </p></div>Publicity stunt. Nothing more.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/assange-legal-threat-a-stunt-qc-says-20121008-27926.html?skin=text-only" >www.theage.com.au/opinion/politi&middot;&middot;&middot;ext-only</A><br><br>"Prominent defamation lawyer Stuart Littlemore, QC, has labelled attempts by WikiLeaks and Julian Assange to find ways of suing Prime Minister Julia Gillard for defamation as nothing more than a stunt.<br><br>Mr Littlemore and other legal experts have today said that defamation claims generally must be made within 12 months of the comments."<br><br>""For the life of me I cannot imagine that there is a cause of action that WikiLeaks could ever bring, least of all if it had done it within time."<br><br>So what exactly did Ms. Gillard say that was so "slanderous"?<br><br>"I absolutely condemn the placement of this information on the WikiLeaks website. It's a grossly irresponsible thing to do and an illegal thing to do.""<br><br>Yeah, good luck with that Mr. Assange. It might serve its purpose in deflecting conversation away from his ducking rape charges for a bit though.<br><small>--<br>“Any claim that the root of a problem is simple should be treated the same as a claim that the root of a problem is Bigfoot.  Simplicity and Bigfoot are found in the real world with about the same frequency.” – David Wong</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[norwegian posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/356416" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=356416');">Link Logger</a>:</said><p>Who are we to fear the most when it comes to free speech, the evil government or the so called defenders of free speech?  If the question even has to be asked, then perhaps the defenders have already failed.<br><br>Blake<br> </p></div>I think the time is drawing closer when this will be. Outspoken is already frowned upon. <br><br>Just look at the link posted <A HREF="http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r27602578-" >above</A> on the affects of a prime minister. Our prime minister allegedly commented on Julian being guilty in 2010, and the subsequent shut down of all credit card blocking of donating to an 'illegal organisation" as well as other forms of donating. I'm sure it was discussed here in the topic earlier too.<br><br>She has basically used the power of her seat to thwart his cause. I can understand the want to hit back with a deformation suite of some sort. <br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-08/assange-seeking-to-sue-gillard-for-defamation/4300262" >www.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-08/a&middot;&middot;&middot;/4300262</A><br><small>--<br>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing - Edmund Burke<br><br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Link Logger posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/646423" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=646423');">Ian</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1159554" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1159554');">norwegian</a>:</said><p>I worry enough about me commenting here and what it does or would do for my family if someone were to come after me for my views.....I think anyone would be concerned. <br></p></div>I think the chances of a person generally supportive of Assange being targeted by some sort of nefarious intelligence arm of a hypothetical nation to be about zero. And they have a few thousand to get through before you even assuming the wild notion that they'd be interested in any way to be true. I wouldn't lose a lot of sleep over this "worry". Assange himself operated basically in the open for years. And he seems to be only in legal trouble at all over the rape allegations, not Wikileaks.<br><br>By a similar token, I suppose I could worry about being "hacked" by Anonymous or what-not for generally believing that Assange should "man-up" and go face his accusers, in Sweden, and saying so.<br><br>Am I worrying? Nope.<br> </p></div>Who are we to fear the most when it comes to free speech, the evil government or the so called defenders of free speech?  If the question even has to be asked, then perhaps the defenders have already failed.<br><br>Blake<br><small>--<br>Vendor: Author of <A HREF="http://www.linklogger.com">Link Logger</a> which is a traffic analysis and firewall logging tool</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[AVD posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by yeeeah :</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/646423" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=646423');">Ian</a>:</said><p>And he seems to be only in legal trouble at all over the rape allegations, not Wikileaks.<br> </p></div> :uhh:<br> </p></div>100% accurate<br><small>--<br>--Standard disclaimers apply.--</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/646423" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=646423');">Ian</a>:</said><p>And he seems to be only in legal trouble at all over the rape allegations, not Wikileaks.<br> </p></div> :uhh:]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Ian posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1159554" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1159554');">norwegian</a>:</said><p>I worry enough about me commenting here and what it does or would do for my family if someone were to come after me for my views.....I think anyone would be concerned. <br></p></div>I think the chances of a person generally supportive of Assange being targeted by some sort of nefarious intelligence arm of a hypothetical nation to be about zero. And they have a few thousand to get through before you even assuming the wild notion that they'd be interested in any way to be true. I wouldn't lose a lot of sleep over this "worry". Assange himself operated basically in the open for years. And he seems to be only in legal trouble at all over the rape allegations, not Wikileaks.<br><br>By a similar token, I suppose I could worry about being "hacked" by Anonymous or what-not for generally believing that Assange should "man-up" and go face his accusers, in Sweden, and saying so.<br><br>Am I worrying? Nope.<br><small>--<br>“Any claim that the root of a problem is simple should be treated the same as a claim that the root of a problem is Bigfoot.  Simplicity and Bigfoot are found in the real world with about the same frequency.” – David Wong</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[norwegian posted : By all means - it is meant to be a free world, free speech etc.<br><br>The way I look at it, there seems no real docs to back the play "enemy of the state" by the news that I searched. <br>It all lead back to the 1 article by the SMH, but then who knows.....the paperwork  maybe kept under lock and key for now. <br><br>The US if they are to play at taking down the site and it's creator, they won't be leaving the paperwork in the open either and allowing it to create a fiasco such as the issue for Britain at present. <br>I don't doubt they are after him, he has been a thorn in the side since before we all met here. <br><br>I worry enough about me commenting here and what it does or would do for my family if someone were to come after me for my views.....I think anyone would be concerned. <br>What are the long term goals for the man; that is something I've been pondering. I hope he does have good solid facts; as it is hurting his family; and that must cross his thoughts a lot.<br><br>History depicts there is a lot of mystery of and men/women, the world over:<br> <A HREF="http://www.biography.com/people/groups/mysterious-deaths/all" >Mysterious deaths</A><br> <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assassinated_people" >Assassinated people of the world</A><br><br>We tread on thin ice at times, and the powers that be; well let's just say can take out anyone at any time. <br><br>Arlo Guthrie released a song called <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice's_Restaurant" >Alice's Restaurant</A> and it's under tones are very suggestive of what a group of people who believe in a similar ideology can become to the powers that be, even though it is about 1 man. <br><br>Good luck mister in your chosen path is all I can say.<br><small>--<br>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing - Edmund Burke<br><br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Link Logger posted : May I quote from the article posted on Wikileaks concerning 'labels Assange and Wikileaks as '"enemies" of the US', where does it say that?  All I see is:<br><br> <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>(D) Matters Alleged:  Communicating with the enemy, 104-D-<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>Once again there is no drama unless you extend beyond what is actually said, 'Matters Alleged', for a journalist Mr. Assange has an extremely poor grasp of the english language, but Julian you can use the power of the internet to get Merriam-Websters where you can lookup the meaning of the word<br><br>Alleged<br><br>1: asserted to be true or to exist <an alleged miracle> <br><br>2: questionably true or of a specified kind : supposed, so-called <bought an alleged antique vase> <br><br>3: accused but not proven or convicted <an alleged burglar> <br><br>So how does this genius get from 'alleged' to 'enemy of the state', second who says that they are not just referring to WikiLeaks as nothing more then the transfer mechanism?  For example if I'm handing over classified US documents to (insert US enemy of the week here) via the phone, does AT&T get labeled an enemy of the state?<br><br>Like I said before, what happens if Julian goes the Sweden and the US does nothing, no charges, no extradition, no midnight commando raid, nothing?  Assange eats a ton of crow, wears two tons of sh*t and its the express train to yesterday's forgotten news for him, hence why he doesn't want to go to Sweden as the US isn't going to do a dam thing and he knows it.  Better hurry up and get that book out before everyone catches onto your folly Julian.<br><br>Blake<br><small>--<br>Vendor: Author of <A HREF="http://www.linklogger.com">Link Logger</a> which is a traffic analysis and firewall logging tool</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Link Logger posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1742787" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1742787');">dslcreature</a>:</said><p>Is that what happened?<br> </p></div>That is the billion dollar question, given that the US hasn't laid charges etc, I'd say no, but is the investigation over, maybe not.<br><br>Blake<br><small>--<br>Vendor: Author of <A HREF="http://www.linklogger.com">Link Logger</a> which is a traffic analysis and firewall logging tool</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Ian posted :  <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>.... refers to the analyst as having been &#147;communicating with the enemy, D-104.&#148; The D-104 classification refers to an article of the US Uniform Military Code of Military Justice which prohibits military personnel from &#147;communicating, corresponding or holding intercourse with the enemy."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>Certainly of interest to any US service personnel who might have communicated classified information with Assange or Wikileaks. But it has nothing to do with the US hypothetically charging Assange with something. Which is the (supposed) reason why Assange is currently ducking a Swedish sex assault investigation in a 3rd world embassy.<br><small>--<br>“Any claim that the root of a problem is simple should be treated the same as a claim that the root of a problem is Bigfoot.  Simplicity and Bigfoot are found in the real world with about the same frequency.” – David Wong</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[norwegian posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1159554" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1159554');">norwegian</a>:</said><p>It will be interesting. <br><br>What I can't understand is Fairfax saying they have documents via the 'freedom of speech' act and have for 18 months but to date I'm sure I've found none posted - what gives?<br><br>It is getting to a stage where we need to clarify facts and fiction and comments like that just don't cut it without proof.<br> </p></div>It seems there is a document.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2012/10/assange-labeled-an-enemy-of-the-us-in-secret-pentagon-documents-2461018.html" >beforeitsnews.com/politics/2012/&middot;&middot;&middot;018.html</A><br><br><div class="bquote"><p>An investigative arm of the Pentagon has termed Wikileaks founder and editor-in-chief Julian Assange, currently holed up and claiming asylum in the Ecuadoran Embassy in London for fear he will be deported to Sweden and thence to the US, and his organization, both &#147;enemies&#148; of the United States.<br><br>The Age newspaper in Melbourne Australia is reporting that <A HREF="http://wikileaks.org/IMG/pdf/Assange-WikiLeaks-Enemy-USAF-FOI.pdf" >documents obtained through the US Freedom of Information Act from the Pentagon (PDF)</A> disclose that an investigation by the Air Force Office of Special Investigations, a counter-intelligence unit, of a military cyber systems analyst based in Britain who had reportedly expressed support for Wikileaks and had attended a demonstration in support of Assange, refers to the analyst as having been &#147;communicating with the enemy, D-104.&#148; The D-104 classification refers to an article of the US Uniform Military Code of Military Justice which prohibits military personnel from &#147;communicating, corresponding or holding intercourse with the enemy.&#148;</p></div><small>--<br>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing - Edmund Burke<br><br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[norwegian posted : He isn't shy about what he believes in and isn't sitting around on his laurels by the sounds of these. <br><br> &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/oct/08/julian-assange-internet-book" >www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/oc&middot;&middot;&middot;net-book</A><br><br><div class="bquote"><p>Julian Assange to publish book about freedom and the future of the internet<br>WikiLeaks founder to be co-author of book entitled Cypherpunks, despite being confined to Ecuadorean embassy in London</p></div>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/assange-attempt-to-sue-pm-a-stunt-littlemore-20121007-277h3.html" >www.theage.com.au/opinion/politi&middot;&middot;&middot;7h3.html</A><br><br><div class="bquote"><p>Prominent defamation lawyer Stuart Littlemore, QC, has labelled attempts by WikiLeaks and Julian Assange to find ways of suing Prime Minister Julia Gillard for defamation as nothing more than a stunt.<br><br>Mr Littlemore and other legal experts say that defamation claims generally must be made within 12 months of the comments.<br><br>Mr Assange has hired lawyers to find a way of suing Prime Minister Julia Gillard for defamation over the claim that WikiLeaks acted illegally in releasing a quarter of a million US diplomatic cables.<br><br>In an interview from Ecuador's embassy in London, Assange said Ms Gillard's comment, made in late 2010, influenced MasterCard Australia to join an online financial blockade of the organisation.</p></div><div class="bquote"><p>''MasterCard Australia, in justifying why it has made a blockade preventing any Australian MasterCard holder from donating to WikiLeaks, used that statement by Julia Gillard as justification,'' he said.</p></div>&raquo;<A HREF="http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/newshome/15057149/gillard-unwise-to-say-assange-broke-law/" >au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/ne&middot;&middot;&middot;oke-law/</A><br><br><div class="bquote"><p>Prime Minister Julia Gillard made an unwise decision to presume WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange's guilt, which has prompted him to pursue a possible defamation case, Deputy Opposition Leader Julie Bishop says.<br><br>Ms Bishop says Mr Assange, who has reportedly hired Sydney lawyers to pursue a defamation case against Ms Gillard, is entitled to seek legal remedies if he believes he's been defamed.<br><br>Mr Assange has told left-leaning activist group GetUp! that Ms Gillard defamed WikiLeaks when she allegedly told a radio station in 2010 he had broken the law by releasing hundreds of thousands of US diplomatic cables, according to a statement released by the group on Monday.</p></div><small>--<br>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing - Edmund Burke<br><br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[norwegian posted : Seems there is still quite a lot going on in all this.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/oct/08/julian-assange-supporters-ordered-forfeit-bail" >www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/oc&middot;&middot;&middot;eit-bail</A><br><div class="bquote"><p>Julian Assange's supporters have been ordered to forfeit £93,500 in bail money after the WikiLeaks founder sought political asylum in the Ecuadorean embassy in London.<br><br>A court ruled on Monday that the payments must be made within a month by nine friends and backers who in 2010 pledged £140,000 to guarantee Assange would abide by bail conditions during a failed legal challenge to extradition proceedings brought by authorities in Sweden, where he faces allegations of rape and sexual assault.</p></div><br><small>--<br>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing - Edmund Burke<br><br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[dslcreature posted : <div class="bquote"><p> <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>Declassified US Air Force counter-intelligence documents, released under US freedom-of-information laws, reveal that military personnel who contact WikiLeaks or WikiLeaks supporters may be at risk of being charged with "communicating with the enemy", a military crime that carries a maximum sentence of death.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>Duh, your publishing classified documents on a public site, where anyone could read them, by definition, how does Wikileaks figure they get an exception?<br></p></div>One need not be suspected to have given up any classified goods to be charged under communicating with the enemy.<br><br><div class="bquote"><p> <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>Mr Ratner said that under US law it would most likely have been considered criminal for the US Air Force analyst to communicate classified material to journalists and publishers, but those journalists and publishers would not have been considered the enemy or prosecuted.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>If those journalist aided or were otherwise involved in the crime of acquiring those documents, hell yes they would be prosecuted.<br></p></div>Is that what happened?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Blackbird posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1159554" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1159554');">norwegian</a>:</said><p>...I wonder how England would respond if Ecuador was to try and drive to the airport and escort him to Sweden under an extradition order of their own? ... </p></div>I think that if Ecuador believed they had the legitimate right to do that, they'd already have tried it and defied UK to react against them. Part of the problem is that while there's a lot of chatter occurring between diplomats and via press releases, it's not matched by that much comprehensive, crystal-clear law and treaties... and Ecuador knows it. Assange hiding in their embassy is pretty much diplomatically unassailable... their moving Assange anywhere else is not.<br><small>--<br>"Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God!" -- P.Henry, 1775</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Ian posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1159554" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1159554');">norwegian</a>:</said><p> <br><br>I wonder how England would respond if Ecuador was to try and drive to the airport and escort him to Sweden under an extradition order of their own? Now that day I'd love to be filming the events. :)<br> </p></div>I suspect they'd stop the vehicle, and arrest Assange.  The Ecuadorian consulate is Ecuadorian soil. Roads in the UK aren't. Those with him will likely not be charged with transporting a fugitive, because they'd have diplomatic immunity.<br><small>--<br>“Any claim that the root of a problem is simple should be treated the same as a claim that the root of a problem is Bigfoot.  Simplicity and Bigfoot are found in the real world with about the same frequency.” – David Wong</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[AVD posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1159554" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1159554');">norwegian</a>:</said><p>  <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>I think the way it works is that Sweden should ask for extradition from Ecuador directly<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>Sounds logical. Certainly better than the great lion forcing the upper hand by force as once was discussed and causing a massive international event that may spiral out of control.<br><br>I wonder how England would respond if Ecuador was to try and drive to the airport and escort him to Sweden under an extradition order of their own? Now that day I'd love to be filming the events. :)<br> </p></div>technically he did jump bail.<br><small>--<br>--Standard disclaimers apply.--</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[norwegian posted :  <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>I think the way it works is that Sweden should ask for extradition from Ecuador directly<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>Sounds logical. Certainly better than the great lion forcing the upper hand by force as once was discussed and causing a massive international event that may spiral out of control.<br><br>I wonder how England would respond if Ecuador was to try and drive to the airport and escort him to Sweden under an extradition order of their own? Now that day I'd love to be filming the events. :)<br><small>--<br>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing - Edmund Burke<br><br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[AVD posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by FF4m3 :</said><p><A HREF="http://rt.com/news/ecuador-uk-talks-assange-162/">UK seeking loophole in extradition agreement with Ecuador</a> - 28 September, 2012:<br><div class="bquote"><p>Patino held a meeting with UK Foreign Secretary William Hague on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly.<br><br>Summarizing the results of the talks, <b>Patino said that he received written confirmation from London that it recognizes the validity of its 1880 extradition treaty with Ecuador. According to Patino, this agreement states that in cases like Assange&#146;s, a person cannot be extradited to a third country.</b><br><br>During the talks Patino reminded his counterpart that the WikiLeaks boss is under Ecuador's jurisdiction, and asserted his country's determination to protect him.<br><br>Nevertheless, Britain has pledged to seek a diplomatic solution in order to find a way to extradite Assange.</p></div>The above screenshot from <A HREF="http://books.google.com.sb/books?id=1r-FOtlhPIkC&q=312#v=snippet&q=312&f=true">British Extradition Law and Procedure: Including Extradition ..., Volume 2</a> beginning page 312.<br> </p></div>nothing new here. I think the way it works is that Sweden should ask for extradition from equador directly. UK has no beef with Assuange. <br><small>--<br>--Standard disclaimers apply.--</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Name Game posted : Wikileaks' Assange marks Day 100 inside Ecuadorian embassy<br><div class="bquote"><p>Ecuador says it will host Assange in its London embassy indefinitely, but the decision to continue supporting the Wikileaks founder could have negative repercussions for the Andean nation.<br><br>Mr. Hague and Mr. Patino met today in New York to discuss the dispute, despite the British official&#146;s skepticism regarding a quick solution.<br><br>&#147;We agreed that we would continue to talk, and we will continue to talk about this issue with the government of Ecuador. But I see no sign of any breakthrough,&#148; Hague told reporters at the UN.</p></div>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Americas/Latin-America-Monitor/2012/0927/Wikileaks-Assange-marks-Day-100-inside-Ecuadorian-embassy" >www.csmonitor.com/World/Americas&middot;&middot;&middot;-embassy</A><br><br><div class="bquote"><p>The British government stressed to Ecuador today that it was under an obligation to extradite the WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange to Sweden, where he faces questioning over sex crimes allegations.<br><br>The foreign secretary, William Hague, held talks with Ecuador's foreign minister, Ricardo Patino, in New York, where ministers have gathered this week for a United Nations meeting.<br><br>Assange has been in Ecuador's London embassy since June as part of his bid to avoid extradition to Sweden. He fears being sent to the United States if he travels to Sweden, to face interrogation over the whistle-blowing website.<br><br>He has been granted political asylum by Ecuador but faces arrest if he leaves the embassy after breaking his UK bail conditions.<br><br>The Foreign Office said: "The foreign secretary said he wanted to see close and productive bilateral relations between the UK and Ecuador, including in the areas of trade and investment, higher education, and counter-narcotics co-operation.<br><br>"On the case of Mr Julian Assange, the foreign secretary told Minister Patino that the UK was under an obligation to extradite Mr Assange to Sweden.<br><br>"The concept of 'diplomatic asylum', while well-established in Latin America, did not feature in UK law.<br><br>"The foreign secretary described the extensive human rights safeguards in UK extradition law. He requested the government of Ecuador to study these provisions closely in considering the way ahead.<br><br>"Both ministers agreed that they were committed to the search for a diplomatic solution to Mr Assange's case. They were willing to meet again at this level in due course to continue these exchanges."</p></div>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/sep/27/assange-hague-ecuador-extradition-legal" >www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/se&middot;&middot;&middot;on-legal</A><br><small>--<br>Gladiator Security Forum <br> &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.gladiator-antivirus.com/" >www.gladiator-antivirus.com/</A> <br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Name Game posted : So funny there FF4me3..RT's stuff on Patino's propaganda to the press..must think he is in charge..links below are what really happened at that meeting...and Hague told the guy to  go read that stuff..UK is not seeking a loophole..Ecuador is trying to make it all go away..knowing they have only one option..and their "guest "is not in good health..not surprised he is living on junk food.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.heraldsun.com.au/ipad/ecudor-uk-fail-to-reach-julian-assange-deal-at-un-meeting/story-fnbzs1v0-1226483303150" >www.heraldsun.com.au/ipad/ecudor&middot;&middot;&middot;83303150</A><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ivfcfIRSH09N16U3wQ1cxf6br_uQ?docId=e139aaf8bcd942ed97304473cee5276a" >www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art&middot;&middot;&middot;cee5276a</A><br><small>--<br>Gladiator Security Forum <br> &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.gladiator-antivirus.com/" >www.gladiator-antivirus.com/</A> <br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Ian posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1459613" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1459613');">The Snowman</a>:</said><p>The Cypherpunk Revolutionary: Julian Assange<br><br>      &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.themonthly.com.au/julian-assange-cypherpunk-revolutionary-robert-manne-3081" >www.themonthly.com.au/julian-ass&middot;&middot;&middot;nne-3081</A><br><br>     ( information on the background of  Julian Assange )<br> </p></div>Current Usage;<br><br>Julian Assange;<br><br>Common Douchebag.<br><br>Currently : Hiding out in a 3rd world embassy to avoid his "rapey" charges.<br><br>;)<br><small>--<br>“Any claim that the root of a problem is simple should be treated the same as a claim that the root of a problem is Bigfoot.  Simplicity and Bigfoot are found in the real world with about the same frequency.” – David Wong</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Link Logger posted : Assange has dug himself into a hole from which he can't get out of, so now all that is left is for him to do is fade into obscurity.  The US won't press charges and if he goes to Sweden they won't extradite him and Assange instantly becomes a delusional fraud without any creditability, and he knows it and the US knows it, so all he can do is try to keep up the illusion that the evil US is after him and keep fighting the nonexistent extradition.  At some point the Ecuadorians are going to give him the boot as he fades into irrelevance and becomes a liability rather then a political trophy of defiance against the US which scores them points in Central America.  What will then happen will be rather interesting as which country will let him in, Sweden will give him the boot as soon as the investigation and whatever follows that, if anything is over, Britain isn't going to let him back in, so where does he go, Australia perhaps or some other wing nut country who collect even old worn out political trophies?  The US  would piss themselves silly if he showed up on their doorstep and they are under no obligation to admit him into the US for any reason.<br><br>Its one thing to claim your a martyr of freedom, but at some point you have to face your enemy and fall on their sword to seal the title of martyr, otherwise you become the boy who cried wolf.  Assange has become the boy, as its been 2 years, no US charges, no US extradition, nothing, there is no wolf, there is no martyr.<br><br>Blake<br><small>--<br>Vendor: Author of <A HREF="http://www.linklogger.com">Link Logger</a> which is a traffic analysis and firewall logging tool</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : <A HREF="http://rt.com/news/ecuador-uk-talks-assange-162/">UK seeking loophole in extradition agreement with Ecuador</a> - 28 September, 2012:<br><div class="bquote"><p>Patino held a meeting with UK Foreign Secretary William Hague on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly.<br><br>Summarizing the results of the talks, <b>Patino said that he received written confirmation from London that it recognizes the validity of its 1880 extradition treaty with Ecuador. According to Patino, this agreement states that in cases like Assange&#146;s, a person cannot be extradited to a third country.</b><br><br>During the talks Patino reminded his counterpart that the WikiLeaks boss is under Ecuador's jurisdiction, and asserted his country's determination to protect him.<br><br>Nevertheless, Britain has pledged to seek a diplomatic solution in order to find a way to extradite Assange.</p></div>The above screenshot from <A HREF="http://books.google.com.sb/books?id=1r-FOtlhPIkC&q=312#v=snippet&q=312&f=true">British Extradition Law and Procedure: Including Extradition ..., Volume 2</a> beginning page 312.<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=2 WIDTH=66%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/27569030?c=2036956&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyNzU2NDc3NS54bWw%3D"><IMG TITLE="409770 bytes" BORDER=0 WIDTH=300 HEIGHT=454 SRC="/r0/download/2036956~c5b6f2f8852b132955ca2b459660891d/Ecuador1.png"></A></TD><TD ALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nowrap width="1%">&nbsp;</TD></TR><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=2 WIDTH=66%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/27569030?c=2036957&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyNzU2NDc3NS54bWw%3D"><IMG TITLE="266309 bytes" BORDER=0 WIDTH=390 HEIGHT=227 SRC="/r0/download/2036957~4ddfdcf5f4361051d120c7eb8abe8a0d/Equador2.png"></A></TD><TD ALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nowrap width="1%">&nbsp;</TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[The Snowman posted : The Cypherpunk Revolutionary: Julian Assange<br><br>      &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.themonthly.com.au/julian-assange-cypherpunk-revolutionary-robert-manne-3081" >www.themonthly.com.au/julian-ass&middot;&middot;&middot;nne-3081</A><br><br>     ( information on the background of  Julian Assange )]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Blackbird posted : And the story remains at an impasse. <br><br>Assange wants a blank check that gives him sanctuary, no matter what (if any) charges for what (if any) reasons might ever be filed by the US leading to an extradition request for him from Sweden.<br><br>Sweden and the UK look at such a blank check as setting a nasty precedent and as an infringement on their sovereign right to determine their own compliance with existing treaties, as well as their view of the proper functioning of their own legal systems.<br><br>The US is playing all its cards (if any) close to its chest, since it gains nothing by saying anything at this point.<br><br>Ecuador looks at it as an opportunity to simultaneously elevate their "human rights" standing in the world (irrespective of their HR track record at home), while simultaneously attempting to bring embarassment to the US, UK, and Sweden who (I rather suspect) they view with strong measures of 3rd-world envy and dislike.<br><br>Meanwhile, Assange moulders away in the Ecuadorian embassy, representing a growing inconvenience and burden to their diplomatic staff - and in a form of jail only modestly better than he would face for breaking parole in the UK, fleeing court in Sweden, or facing whatever (if anything) in the US.<br><br>I wonder who will break first? My money would be on Ecuador or Assange...<br><small>--<br>"Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God!" -- P.Henry, 1775</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : From <A HREF="http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/sep/27/assange-hague-ecuador-extradition-legal">The Guardian</a> - 27 September 2012:<br><div class="bquote"><p>Amnesty International said the Swedish authorities should issue assurances to the UK and to Assange that if he left Ecuador's embassy and agreed to go to Sweden to face sexual assault claims, he would not be extradited to the US in connection with WikiLeaks.<br><br>Nicola Duckworth, senior director for research at Amnesty International, said: "If the Swedish authorities are able to confirm publicly that Assange will not eventually find himself on a plane to the USA if he submits himself to the authority of the Swedish courts, then this will hopefully achieve two things.<br><br>"First, it will break the current impasse and, second, it will mean the women who have levelled accusations of sexual assault are not denied justice.<br><br>"It is vital that states show they are serious about dealing with allegations of sexual violence and that they respect both the rights of the women who made the complaints and the person accused."</p></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[AVD posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/668609" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=668609');">EGeezer</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1079171" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1079171');">lordpuffer</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1354951" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1354951');">Frodo</a>:</said><p>It's exactly this matter.   If I leaked classified Iranian material, should I be extradited to Iran? ...   <br> </p></div>... if Assange is indicted and extradited to the U.S., he's just going to serve time if found guilty.  No political reason not to extradite or to grant asylum.  ...<br> </p></div>So, if the prisons and treatment in Iran (or other nation) were U.S. style, you'd support extradition in the cited situation? <br> </p></div>you need an extradition treaty first. If we had a treaty first of all I hope it would take prison conditions into account and second of all I would say it would have to be enforced.<br><small>--<br>--Standard disclaimers apply.--</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Link Logger posted : Where do they find these journalist who embellish stories like this?<br><br> <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>THE US military has designated Julian Assange and WikiLeaks as enemies of the United States - the same legal category as the al-Qaeda terrorist network and the Taliban insurgency.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>Show me a list on a .gov site that lists enemies of the state with Assange on it, go ahead I dare you to.<br><br> <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>Declassified US Air Force counter-intelligence documents, released under US freedom-of-information laws, reveal that military personnel who contact WikiLeaks or WikiLeaks supporters may be at risk of being charged with "communicating with the enemy", a military crime that carries a maximum sentence of death.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>Duh, your publishing classified documents on a public site, where anyone could read them, by definition, how does Wikileaks figure they get an exception?<br><br> <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>The analyst's access to classified information was suspended. However, the investigators closed the case without laying charges. The analyst denied leaking information.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Clearance is a privilege, not a right and can be revoked at any time for any reason.  Let see the documents were:<br><br> <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>The documents, some originally classified "Secret/NoForn" - not releasable to non-US nationals <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>and this guy was<br><br> <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>a cyber systems analyst based in Britain<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>sounds like someone figured out he had access to documents he wasn't cleared for and yanked his privileges.  NOTE no charges were laid so the problem here would be, that they think he has ties to anti-US or anti-military groups, well duh again, must be a pretty crappy security analyst if he can't figure that one out.  I read a 'Top Secret/NoForn' document that said he was having a physical relationship with an Iranian underage goat that he was slipping secrets too, go ahead prove me wrong.<br><br> <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>US Vice-President Joe Biden labeled Mr Assange a "high-tech terrorist" in December 2010 and US congressional leaders have called for him to be charged with espionage.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>And how are those charges coming along as its been almost 2 years since and, oh nothing.  Like I said before the tin foil has been on for so long its gotten rather stinky under there, but if you wait long enough maybe something will happen, but let us know when that will be as I'm waiting for a Golden Frog to jump into my yard and sh*t diamonds all over the place.  Right now its a race to see which will happen first.<br><br> <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>Mr Ratner said that under US law it would most likely have been considered criminal for the US Air Force analyst to communicate classified material to journalists and publishers, but those journalists and publishers would not have been considered the enemy or prosecuted.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>If those journalist aided or were otherwise involved in the crime of acquiring those documents, hell yes they would be prosecuted.<br><br> <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>"However, in the FOI documents there is no allegation of any actual communication for publication that would aid an enemy of the United States such as al-Qaeda, nor are there allegations that WikiLeaks published such information," he said.<br> <br>"Almost the entire set of documents is concerned with the analyst's communications with people close to and supporters of Julian Assange and WikiLeaks, with the worry that she would disclose classified documents to Julian Assange and WikiLeaks.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>The document also didn't state that this journalist only writes part truths either, its a document with a topic, but I guess this journalist didn't include the stock price dip of Apple today, so I guess we are free to assume whatever we wish as being true based on his omission of this information in this article.<br><br> <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>The Australian government has repeatedly denied knowledge of any US intention to charge Mr Assange or seek his extradition.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Maybe because there isn't any US intention to charge him or seek his extradition, that can't be.<br><br> <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>The Australian diplomatic reports canvassed the possibility that the US may eventually seek Mr Assange's extradition on conspiracy or information-theft-related offenses to avoid extradition problems arising from the nature of espionage as a political offense and the free-speech protections in the US constitution.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Really, I'm sure if they find a reason to, they will charge him and request extradition, but any idea when that might be happening as I think I hear a frog on my lawn, maybe its time to go and rake up some diamonds.<br><br>Blake<br><small>--<br>Vendor: Author of <A HREF="http://www.linklogger.com">Link Logger</a> which is a traffic analysis and firewall logging tool</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Name Game posted : We will have to  use the famous binscope<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r27564402-">Re: UK's top investigator describes a life fighting cybercrime</A><br><br>I tried to leak it earlier in the day but no takers  :(<br><small>--<br>Gladiator Security Forum <br> &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.gladiator-antivirus.com/" >www.gladiator-antivirus.com/</A> <br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Name Game posted : Don't worry about flushing..we might need  to make sure you have  not leaked the secret recipe. <br><p><div style='z-index:0; text-align:center;display:block;'><object width='425' height='350'><param name='movie' value="http://www.youtube.com/v/sY_Yf4zz-yo"><param name=wmode value="transparent"><embed wmode="transparent" src="http://www.youtube.com/v/sY_Yf4zz-yo" type='application/x-shockwave-flash' width='425' height='350' allowscriptaccess='samedomain'></embed></object></div></p><center>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY_Yf4zz-yo" >www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY_Yf4zz-yo</A></center>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Link Logger posted : Link Logger to address the UN from his bathroom in Calgary, of course I'll neglect to mention there are no charges against me and my bathroom asylum is because I jumped bail and don't want to go to Sweden to answer question concerning an investigation.<br><br>Blake<br><small>--<br>Vendor: Author of <A HREF="http://www.linklogger.com">Link Logger</a> which is a traffic analysis and firewall logging tool</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Name Game posted : Here is his spiel to the UN video.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://rt.com/news/assange-addresses-un-human-rights-069/" >rt.com/news/assange-addresses-un&middot;&middot;&middot;hts-069/</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Name Game posted : It's all good stuff..I like to see our poster boy getting paranoid..maybe he has nightmares..he certainly is not in control..<br>Australia is ignoring him  so he can go piss up a rope.<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/dfat-ignored-assange-requests-lawyer-20120823-24nuj.html" >www.smh.com.au/opinion/political&middot;&middot;&middot;nuj.html</A><br><br>He has no access to natural light   :D<br><br>DVDs, Pizza, and Occasional Dancing: <br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2012/08/dvds-pizza-and-occasional-dancing-assanges-cramped-life-lam/55901/" >www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2&middot;&middot;&middot;m/55901/</A><br> treadmill and a sun lamp:<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/9481848/Treadmill-sun-lamp-and-takeaways-the-life-of-Julian-Assange.html" >www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/&middot;&middot;&middot;nge.html</A><br><br>I think he quite likes slumming and scrounging off other people.<br><small>--<br>Gladiator Security Forum <br> &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.gladiator-antivirus.com/" >www.gladiator-antivirus.com/</A> <br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Name Game posted : Exactly..so easy these days to just put out bullshit to strengthen your position.. to much stuff on the internet these days is just crap talk.<br><br>Sound to me someone just took a look at what areas a person or group "might" be violating then plunked in their poster boy.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Blackbird posted : Ref: <A HREF="http://www.smh.com.au/national/us-calls-assange-enemy-of-state-20120927-26m7s.html" > US calls Assange 'enemy of state'</A>. The article is an exercise in PR. The <b><u>US</b></u> has hardly called Assange an "enemy of the state", at least yet. The article purports that an Air Force counter-intelligence investigation team looking at someone entirely different from Bradley Manning invoked that wording in their documents. Yet it remains unclear whether that term "enemy" was even being directly applied to WikiLeaks/Assange as "the enemy" or to the (then very real) possibility they were exploring along the avenue that a leak to WikiLeaks might constitute a direct informing of Al Qaeda et al about US military information, who indeed would have been the "enemy". The entire "meat" of the article revolves around the Assange lawyer's assertions, but the actual documents are not yet made fully public so that the rest of us can form our own opinions of whether or not those assertions are accurate or reasonable. In the end, the case was closed without any charges. <br><br>It should also be kept in mind that these were US military documents, presumably authored by US military investigators, dealing with a US military person who was (presumably) an American citizen, about matters that involved military-related conduct during war conditions. That's a far cry from applying directly to Assange's status as an Australian citizen, a civilian not involved in military affairs, who claims journalistic status, and who is accused of receiving and publishing leaked documents.<br><br>Likewise, stated opinions by publicity-conscious politicos like Biden, Palin, or Huckabee are essentially irrelevant. What is relevant is whether there remains a genuine, active investigation and effort by DOJ and/or grand juries to pursue charges against Assange, or whether there would be any reasonable grounds to believe the US military would somehow have the necessary authorization, will, and power to grab or kidnap Assange should he be extradited to Sweden. To date, just about everything concerning actual US intentions that is out there in the public domain consists of assumptions, innuendo, claims, and opinions.<br><small>--<br>"Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God!" -- P.Henry, 1775</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[norwegian posted : <br>It will be interesting. <br><br>What I can't understand is Fairfax saying they have documents via the 'freedom of speech' act and have for 18 months but to date I'm sure I've found none posted - what gives?<br><br>It is getting to a stage where we need to clarify facts and fiction and comments like that just don't cut it without proof.<br><small>--<br>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing - Edmund Burke<br><br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/655093" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=655093');">Name Game</a>:</said><p>US calls Assange 'enemy of state'<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.smh.com.au/national/us-calls-assange-enemy-of-state-20120927-26m7s.html" >www.smh.com.au/national/us-calls&middot;&middot;&middot;m7s.html</A><br> </p></div><div class="bquote"><p>THE US military has designated Julian Assange and WikiLeaks as enemies of the United States &#151; the same legal category as the al-Qaeda terrorist network and the Taliban insurgency.<br><br>Declassified US Air Force counter-intelligence documents, released under US freedom-of-information laws, reveal that <b>military personnel who contact WikiLeaks or WikiLeaks supporters may be at risk of being charged with "communicating with the enemy", a military crime that carries a maximum sentence of death</b>.<br><br>Assange's US attorney, Michael Ratner, said the designation of WikiLeaks as an "enemy" had serious implications for the WikiLeaks publisher if he were to be extradited to the US, including <b>possible military detention</b>.<br><br><b>"It appears that Julian Assange and WikiLeaks are the 'enemy'. An enemy is dealt with under the laws of war, which could include killing, capturing, detaining without trial, etc."</b></p></div><div class="bquote"><p>An <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enemy_of_the_state">enemy of the state</a> is a person accused of certain crimes against the state, such as treason. Describing individuals in this way is sometimes a manifestation of political repression. For example, an authoritarian regime may purport to maintain national security by describing social or political dissidents as "enemies of the state". In other cases, the individual in question may have legitimately endangered the country and/or its population. For example, a double agent selling military or intelligence secrets could undermine a nation's security, and could therefore be considered an enemy not of just a person or entity within a state, but the state itself and all entities therein.</p></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Name Game posted : We don't know if those two articles are based on facts..I thought some of the stuff was hokie since no backup material presented..nevertheless they are out there so let's see who is hanging out the dirty laundry today.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2012 19:08:08 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[norwegian posted : You're kidding me. There goes that "loud mouth" attitude again. If a country is going to make "war" then they have to understand everyone is not going to like it. Look at the 60's rallies.<br><br>Now he can be labeled a "terrorist"; imagine some of those 60's icons under that law?<br><br><div class="bquote"><p>Assange remains holed up in Ecuador's embassy in London. He was granted diplomatic asylum on the grounds that if extradited to Sweden to be questioned about sexual assault allegations, he would be at risk of further extradition to the US to face espionage or conspiracy charges arising from the leaking of hundreds of thousands of secret US military and diplomatic reports.<br><br>US Vice-President Joe Biden labelled Assange a "high-tech terrorist" in December 2010 and US congressional leaders have called for him to be charged with espionage.<br><br>Sarah Palin and Mike Huckabee - both once involved in presidential campaigns - have both urged that Assange be "hunted down".<br><br>Assange's US attorney, Michael Ratner, said the designation of WikiLeaks as an "enemy" had serious implications for the WikiLeaks publisher if he were to be extradited to the US, including possible military detention.</p></div>Hunted down eh? A nation picks their leaders, I deplore the citizens to shut down this major fiasco, you don't need Noriega any more.  <br><br>Thumbs up for making a stand, this is neither the middle ages nor colonial Australia.<br><br><div class="bquote"><p>"It appears that Julian Assange and WikiLeaks are the 'enemy'. An enemy is dealt with under the laws of war, which could include killing, capturing, detaining without trial, etc."<br><br>The Australian government has repeatedly denied knowledge of any US intention to charge Assange or seek his extradition.<br><br><b>However, Australian diplomatic cables released to Fairfax Media under freedom-of-information laws over the past 18 months have confirmed the continuation of an "unprecedented" US Justice Department espionage investigation targeting Assange and WikiLeaks.</b></p></div>They are strong words over someone you would class as a journalist. <br><small>--<br>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing - Edmund Burke<br><br></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2012 18:19:25 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Name Game posted : Assange will speak to UN from Ecuadorian Embassy in London<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/26/world/assange-un-address/index.html" >www.cnn.com/2012/09/26/world/ass&middot;&middot;&middot;dex.html</A><br><br>US calls Assange 'enemy of state'<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.smh.com.au/national/us-calls-assange-enemy-of-state-20120927-26m7s.html" >www.smh.com.au/national/us-calls&middot;&middot;&middot;m7s.html</A><br><small>--<br>Gladiator Security Forum <br> &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.gladiator-antivirus.com/" >www.gladiator-antivirus.com/</A> <br></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2012 17:29:33 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[lordpuffer posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/668609" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=668609');">EGeezer</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1079171" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1079171');">lordpuffer</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1354951" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1354951');">Frodo</a>:</said><p>It's exactly this matter.   If I leaked classified Iranian material, should I be extradited to Iran? ...   <br> </p></div>... if Assange is indicted and extradited to the U.S., he's just going to serve time if found guilty.  No political reason not to extradite or to grant asylum.  ...<br> </p></div>So, if the prisons and treatment in Iran (or other nation) were U.S. style, you'd support extradition in the cited situation? <br> </p></div>No, not to Iran.  Why?  Because IMO, Iran does not have a legitimate government.  <br><small>--<br>Obama in 2012 - Vote For The Poor And The Middle Class - The Teabaggers Are Done.</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2012 16:20:27 EDT</pubDate>
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