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John Galt6
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Re: Need help with an old safe

said by JRW2:

The previous owner even left the combination.... THE WRONG ONE!!!!

The PO's are probably still laughing about it...

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3*1*5 = 15
1*6 = 6
8*9 = 72
3*8 = 24

Also, from the photo of the penciled numbers, what appears to the last "3" could possibly be a "5".
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said by mattmag:

Heck no, don't cut it open, it would spoil the most interesting thread I've seen here in a long time!!!!


Right. One of the early episodes of Storage Wars showed an old safe like the one here and the real value wasn't the contents, but the safe itself.

My 2 cents
315-16-89-38
means
89-16-38
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said by wth:

My 2 cents
315-16-89-38
means
89-16-38

OR

83-61-98
98-61-83

rockotman
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Another thought: The "3" could be an offset of the dial position, such that the numbers listed should be at the "3 o'clock" position, making the combination

15 - 25 = -10 (90 on the dial)
16 - 25 = -9 (89 on the dial)
89 - 25 = 64 on the dial
38 - 25 = 13 on the dial

UHF
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Not the same as the one I was thinking of.

When it acts up, I turn the dial six or seven turns left, then the same right, then enter the combination. After the last digit, there's a star that you go to, then jiggle the dial until it "falls in" then spin it fast left until it stops. Then you can open it. Might be something similar with this one after the last digit.

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where's macgyver when you really need him ...

dogma
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Click for full size
Ya got the dad-gummed combo upside down! Or at least it's meant to "look" upside down.

So
83 or 85 (probably 85)
68
91
51

Notice how that "3" next to the 8 is totally different than the "3" next to the 1, and looks much more like the 5.

Doctor Olds
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»www.youtube.com/watch?v= ··· Vn3zacoc


Follow the steps in the vid above using these numbers.

3 turns left then 15 then 16 then 89 finally back to 38, now unlock.

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My dad says that's a 4 digit lock.

I don't really think he remembers.
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3 turns left to 15 then slowly left to 16
when doing the left turn my wife stops at the first big line before
so its 16-89-38
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Go to the land registry office and find the name of the original owners. Track him and or her down and ask.

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I have tried all the new combinations and nothing yet. I do have to say that dogma See Profile's post with the upside down numbers is quite ingenious. I have tried them multiple ways though and so far nothing.

I tried:
85-68-91 (I tried this one 4 times)
83-68-91
91-68-83
91-68-85
68-91-51
68-91-13

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said by Ken:

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I have tried all the new combinations and nothing yet.

I tried:
85-68-91 (I tried this one 4 times)
[snip groups of 3 numbers]

I believe it is going to use 4 groups of numbers (not 3 groups like you have been trying) as the video I posted shows. Try that next...

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Stop for a moment. The next step is to confirm / verify the lock on the safe. Verify the combination method such as how many turns each way. Does the combination require 3 or 4 numbers ? Once these are determined the next step is to try each suggested combination using the confirmed method at least 2 times each (maybe 3 or 4 due to the age of the safe). If it requires 3 numbers this would rule out 4 number combinations. Likewise if it requires 4 numbers this would rule out 3 number combinations. Then go from there.

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The lock is definitely only a 3 disc lock and not a 4 disc lock. After you enter the 3rd number you reverse direction and the safe will stop at a 4th number and will not advance past that. So someone might have written it down as having 4 numbers, but you don't have to worry what the fourth number is as it's basically automatic. So every time I try I enter the 3rd number and reverse direction, if I have entered the first 3 correctly the dial will stop by itself. If the dial keeps spinning then I know the first 3 numbers are not correct.

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I saw this in a movie.
DO NOT OPEN THAT SAFE.
Horrible things will happen.
One of the indicators of this is an obsession with opening the safe.
The safe is actually a door into HELL, and was sealed by a desperate act by a crazed doctor/witchy woman/former mental patient(pick one)who died during the final locking of the safe.
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!

Of course, that was only a movie, and I'm not actually considered by my "friends" as socially well-adjusted and stable, so you're on your own.
Just don't come crawling back in here whining about all the help you recieved when you create this obvious apocalyptic episode.
After all, I appear to be the only person here warning you off on this.


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Go watch a few episodes of "Storage Wars" until you find one where they show you how to open a safe with a wood wedge and a sludge hammer. Pull the safe out of the wall and move it outside then proceed to have fun busting it open for 10 minutes.

If it was cheap or easy to pick locks the pros would call a locksmith in to open the safes but they don't. They bust them open with brute force.

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I have plenty of tools that I could use to force my way in to the safe in a short time, but I don't want to damage the safe as they are worth a bit of money being so old. This company only existed from 1916-1923. Besides if I destroy it opening it and then find it's empty I am left with nothing.

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What's the safe worth if you could magically find the combo to open it correctly?

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From what I have seen $300 up to $1,000 is very possible if you don't know the safes history.
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said by Ken:

I have plenty of tools that I could use to force my way in to the safe in a short time, but I don't want to damage the safe as they are worth a bit of money being so old. This company only existed from 1916-1923. Besides if I destroy it opening it and then find it's empty I am left with nothing.

have you tried putting turning pressure on the handle when turning the dial? you might find the dial stopping at those points where a combination number is. master combination locks were like that until recently, when they put a cog on the dial to stop that type of lockpicking.
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»www.crypto.com/papers/sa ··· ocks.pdf

Pay particular attention to the graph paper discussion.

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said by Ken:

The lock is definitely only a 3 disc lock and not a 4 disc lock. After you enter the 3rd number you reverse direction and the safe will stop at a 4th number and will not advance past that.

So you followed the procedure as shown in the video? If you did and it didn't open then consider hiring a pro that can open it without damage or drilling.

Good Luck.

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said by iknow:

have you tried putting turning pressure on the handle when turning the dial? you might find the dial stopping at those points where a combination number is. master combination locks were like that until recently, when they put a cog on the dial to stop that type of lockpicking.

I have tried that and the first and second wheels don't drag at all, but the third wheel does drag hard around about half it's numbers. In fact I can crank the handle hard enough to stop the dial from spinning, when I'm on the right half that drags. However I still can't find a gate. Either I'm just not feeling it, or it's on the side that doesn't drag.I have worked on trying to manipulate the lock as shown and I can't find the contact points. The lock has so much noise and gets stuck every 5-10 numbers it's hard to discern where the real contact points are.
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So you followed the procedure as shown in the video?

Yes that is exactly how I have been trying to open it and I verified that is the correct way for this lock (4L -3R - 2L - 1R). I'm not ready to throw in the towel just yet and hire someone. There have been some really good ideas so far and I'm thinking about going back and trying some of the ones that make the most sense about 5 times each.

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looks like a phone number to me

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said by AVD:

looks like a phone number to me

it would be one digit short for that .

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Do it the fun way and ask one of your farmer neighbors for a stick of dynamite.

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said by Ken:

From what I have seen $300 up to $1,000 is very possible if you don't know the safes history.

After some more thought, I suggest leaving it un-opened.

Do a little more research, find when it was manufactured and sold, and if possible, sold to whom. Develop an intriguing history and back-story on it. The person or persons that originally purchased this safe obviously had something valuable they wanted to protect. Especially a safe of this size. If you can identify a previous owner, hopefully someone with ...shall we say......a checkered past...the entire story may add more value.

Odds are overwhelming there nothing inside but stale air. If you are successful in opening it, and nothings inside, I feel the value may be less.

However, I think you can auction it for even more than you think. I found this eBay auction for what looks to be a very similar safe and back story. The asking is $7,500.00, and there has been one offer already.

»www.ebay.com/itm/Diebold ··· 041a3e18




So the real treasure for you may be the un-opened safe itself, and let the new buyer consume himself with visions of riches.

edit:
BTW, found this info:
J. BAUM SAFE & LOCK CO.
CINCINNATI, OHIO

Nine Patents are listed that rum from February 27, 1906 to November 19, 1908. There should also be a serial marking engraved behind this panel.

J. Baum Safe & Lock Co. was organized May 26th, 1916 to succeed the Baum Safe Co., which was established in 1893 to succeed the Warth- Baum safe company, which started around 1870.

Walter Jacob Baum was born September 30, 1887. Information regarding his family is available. There are records that he was enumerated in the Colorado State Hospital, which appears to have been an insane asylum, but the name was changed to the State Hospital in 1917. Further information indicates in 1930 he was in WY/Sheridan insane asylum.

J. Baum Safe & Lock Co. went out of business around 1927, which would make sense if he was hospitalized in 1920. This would make the manufacture date of the safe between 1916 - 1927.

And for fun, If you can describe it something like:
"From research, this safe was originally purchased in 1930 during the Great Depression by one Louie "the rat" Moran and one Israel “Icepick Willie” Alderman. The safe apparently disappeared for 50 years after the owners "untimely demise" when it was discovered in a house belonging to "the rats" Mudda'. From all indications, the safe has not been forcibly opened.
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If you sell it on eBay for $7500 and the new owner happens to find something like the Hope Diamond in it, you'll be kicking yourself all the way to the grave.