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Re: October is here.. Are those dozen HD channels coming?!?!

Fri, 09 Nov 2012 15:44:25 EDT

prisaz posted : Did they not put up 10+ Spanish HD channels?
All but the one my wife wants. Sur Peru! I could rip down my directv dish and stop paying them $40 a month in addition to FiOS TV. Err!!! I don't even think that one is HD. I have only asked for it since 2006.

Re: October is here.. Are those dozen HD channels coming?!?!

Thu, 08 Nov 2012 10:18:55 EDT

dcowboy posted : I can see that.

Re: October is here.. Are those dozen HD channels coming?!?!

Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:39:48 EDT

Greg2600 posted : I think the recent additions finally of BBC America and Cartoon Network in HD prove that the lack of HD channels is a space issue. As soon as they got space for the Olympics, they were able to allocate it to those channels.

Re: October is here.. Are those dozen HD channels coming?!?!

Mon, 15 Oct 2012 10:10:10 EDT

davidplatt posted :

said by Acct101:

I guess we can get rid of our HD TV's as we don't seem to be getting anymore new channels other the SD.

Man, I get mailings from DirecTV and Comcast every week and it is getting enticing.

You are kidding right? I had DirecTV for 16 years and FiOS Internet for the last 7 years and I just switched over to the Triple Play with Verizon.

I was paying DirecTV $157 a month for Choice Xtra Classic, HD ($10 a month), 4 DVRs ($6 each for 3 of them), DVR Fee ($8), Whole Home DVR ($3), HBO/Showtime/Starz ($37) and taxes. FiOS 30/5 service was $55 a month. Vonage was $36 a month. My monthly bill was $248.

I switched to Verizon Triple Play. Ultimate HD TV, HBO, Movie Completer, Multi Room DVR (free for 18 mo), HD Receiver (free for 18 mo), Cable Card (for the 4 tuner InfiniTV in my Home Theatre PC) and 1/2 off HBO and the Movie package for a year. Also 35/35 internet and Freedom Essentials phone. $139 a month plus taxes of about $20.

I then found out that for $20 a month I could upgrade to 75/35 internet and switch to FiOS Digital Voice. With the lower taxes it ends up netting out at $13.50 a month more. So the total bill will be about $170 per month.

So my savings is almost $50 a month with better service (DV is certainly better than Vonage and 75/35 internet is certainly better than 30/5 internet).

And with DirecTV I had outages several times a month due to weather. Now I don't have to deal with the weather issues with DirecTV. I also don't have to deal with the crappy DVR response speeds that I had with DirecTV. No more waiting for a guide to display a full 3 to 4 minutes.

And Verizon has more HD channels overall than DirecTV. Their advertising is just as deceptive as all of the cable companies. 40 regional sports networks in HD that I don't subscribe to and that would give me no benefit is not a watchable channel. Any major league sports shown on those channels is blacked out so their is virtually no value add.

Yes, there a some of the multi-channel movie channels that are in SD on FiOS that are HD on DirecTV (a couple of the Showtimes) but there are also channels in HD on Verizon that don't exist on DirecTV. And FiOS carries the sub channels on local channels - DirecTV doesn't without an over the air tuner and antenna. And I get Cinemax included in Ultimate HD (which I didn't have on DirecTV).

I wouldn't switch back after a week with the FiOS triple play. If you have heavy rain or thunderstorms where you live and get DirecTV, expect a lot of outages.

Re: October is here.. Are those dozen HD channels coming?!?!

Mon, 15 Oct 2012 09:01:45 EDT

aaronwt posted : It looks like they are starting to add Cartoon Network today. Someone posted that it is up on channel 757 in VHO5.

Re: October is here.. Are those dozen HD channels coming?!?!

Mon, 15 Oct 2012 07:02:27 EDT

bcushman posted : But, if I get rid of my HD TV how will I watch all the HD channels we already get???

Re: October is here.. Are those dozen HD channels coming?!?!

Mon, 15 Oct 2012 05:46:22 EDT

Acct101 posted : I guess we can get rid of our HD TV's as we don't seem to be getting anymore new channels other the SD.

Man, I get mailings from DirecTV and Comcast every week and it is getting enticing.

Re: October is here.. Are those dozen HD channels coming?!?!

Fri, 12 Oct 2012 05:31:58 EDT

tnsprin posted : You do know those counts of stations being added include all the local stations available in various areas of the country. Not sure how many they actually added but may be more than you think although probably much less than the stated goal.

Re: October is here.. Are those dozen HD channels coming?!?!

Wed, 10 Oct 2012 08:59:40 EDT

nlk10010 posted : I'm afraid there's a distinction between "planning to" and "making people think you're planning to".

What's funny is that Verizon had to scale back even their hype. :)

Re: October is here.. Are those dozen HD channels coming?!?!

Tue, 09 Oct 2012 22:54:06 EDT

More Fiber posted : Apparently management's bonuses are not tied to those goals.

Re: October is here.. Are those dozen HD channels coming?!?!

Tue, 09 Oct 2012 19:08:13 EDT

JeepMatt posted : Unfortunately I think the goal was to add 100 channels in 2012 on last year's slide presentation...oh...ummmm....
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Re: October is here.. Are those dozen HD channels coming?!?!

Tue, 09 Oct 2012 17:18:08 EDT

chitchatjf posted : I say they have something up their sleeve. :)

Re: October is here.. Are those dozen HD channels coming?!?!

Tue, 09 Oct 2012 15:12:37 EDT

TitusTroy posted :

said by KillABrew:

The info I got is that 75 new channels are planned in 2013. Didn't get to see what they were or if HD or not. Will have to what 2013 brings.

only way this happens is if FiOS removes 75 channels from the current lineup...no space for 75 new additions

Re: October is here.. Are those dozen HD channels coming?!?!

Tue, 09 Oct 2012 12:10:47 EDT

Miataman posted :

said by knarf829:

LOL. Time to invest in a Rosetta Stone set.

No need to do so;
My understanding is that the Ouija Board is a multilingual device.
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Re: October is here.. Are those dozen HD channels coming?!?!

Tue, 09 Oct 2012 11:59:15 EDT

knarf829 posted :

said by KillABrew:

The info I got is that 75 new channels are planned in 2013. Didn't get to see what they were or if HD or not. Will have to what 2013 brings.

LOL. Time to invest in a Rosetta Stone set.

Re: October is here.. Are those dozen HD channels coming?!?!

Tue, 09 Oct 2012 08:42:38 EDT

Greg2600 posted :

said by aaronwt:

WHy? They will probably be channels added to the international tier. :)

I'm still laughing. Maybe they're considering VOD channels as channels?

Re: October is here.. Are those dozen HD channels coming?!?!

Tue, 09 Oct 2012 07:01:50 EDT

KillABrew posted : Yes, FIOS.
Was on a slide presentation for the plans for FiOS in 2013. Not saying that it will happen, just was presenting what they want to get done.

Re: October is here.. Are those dozen HD channels coming?!?!

Tue, 09 Oct 2012 00:20:50 EDT

aaronwt posted :

said by Greg2600:

said by KillABrew:

The info I got is that 75 new channels are planned in 2013. Didn't get to see what they were or if HD or not. Will have to what 2013 brings.

ROFL!!!!!

WHy? They will probably be channels added to the international tier. :)

Re: October is here.. Are those dozen HD channels coming?!?!

Mon, 08 Oct 2012 23:49:51 EDT

Greg2600 posted :

said by KillABrew:

The info I got is that 75 new channels are planned in 2013. Didn't get to see what they were or if HD or not. Will have to what 2013 brings.

ROFL!!!!!

Re: October is here.. Are those dozen HD channels coming?!?!

Mon, 08 Oct 2012 21:23:54 EDT

skohly posted :

said by KillABrew:

The info I got is that 75 new channels are planned in 2013. Didn't get to see what they were or if HD or not. Will have to what 2013 brings.

ON FIOS?

Re: October is here.. Are those dozen HD channels coming?!?!

Mon, 08 Oct 2012 19:59:16 EDT

KillABrew posted : The info I got is that 75 new channels are planned in 2013. Didn't get to see what they were or if HD or not. Will have to what 2013 brings.

Re: October is here.. Are those dozen HD channels coming?!?!

Mon, 08 Oct 2012 12:43:14 EDT

tnsprin posted : "ESPN supplied Motorola DSR-6100 integrated receiver/decoders to eligible affiliates." FIOS may or may not been eligable, and may have chosen to use another solution (they had other channels to convert as well and using lots of different equipment costs. And it costs to install and operate them. The ongoing operating costs is not necessarily negligable.

Re: October is here.. Are those dozen HD channels coming?!?!

Mon, 08 Oct 2012 09:43:56 EDT

Strommy posted :

said by UnnDunn:

said by Mac973:

said by celticpride :

On top of that i just read an article where directv said they hope to carry ALL HD CHANNELS ONLY by 2016 NO MORE SD CHANNELS!!!

Good luck watching them. With signal loss every time it rains there is no way I would go back to satellite. I was at my uncle's house a couple weeks ago and a thunderstorm rolled in. They lost service for at least 15-20 minutes until the storm passed, and that was in the middle of a football game. No thanks.
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Then the dish was aimed improperly. Yes, DirecTV is susceptible to weather, but in West Orange, a properly-aimed dish should get good signal (assuming relatively calm winds) though all but the heaviest rainstorms.

We had the DISH people out at TWICE to correct the problem and they never did fix it. And of course they charged us for each visit. It was professionally installed and calibrated (aimed or whatever you want to call it) and the problem was only fixed by getting rid of them. I'll never ever go back.
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Re: October is here.. Are those dozen HD channels coming?!?!

Fri, 05 Oct 2012 22:32:34 EDT

KCrimson posted :

said by UnnDunn:

Then the dish was aimed improperly. Yes, DirecTV is susceptible to weather, but in West Orange, a properly-aimed dish should get good signal (assuming relatively calm winds) though all but the heaviest rainstorms.

Bad weather and sporting events often occur simultaneously, as do opportune times to watch TV - when you're indoors finding alternate entertainment due to those inclement conditions. Outages tend to be noticed. I know they were during the years when my family had a professionally installed and serviced DirecTV system.

Re: October is here.. Are those dozen HD channels coming?!?!

Fri, 05 Oct 2012 20:39:58 EDT

UnnDunn posted :

said by Mac973:

said by celticpride :

On top of that i just read an article where directv said they hope to carry ALL HD CHANNELS ONLY by 2016 NO MORE SD CHANNELS!!!

Re: October is here.. Are those dozen HD channels coming?!?!

Fri, 05 Oct 2012 19:18:07 EDT

SoCalDude posted : I just want Cartoon Network HD this month!

Re: October is here.. Are those dozen HD channels coming?!?!

Fri, 05 Oct 2012 12:38:04 EDT

Nezmo posted :

said by bsangs:

said by Mac973:

I'm really starting to think it's a NJ thing. I know people that swear they never get signal loss from D*, yet the two times I've had it, the HD has been terribly effected by rain fade. I switched back to it for a short while last year (because I prefer pretty much everything about D* on the TV-side) after being led to believe it was a thing of the past. Took me less than two weeks to realize my mistake and went back to FiOS.

I believe the north east and north west parts of the country are on the fringes of the satellite footprints. Perhaps you are more susceptible to rain fade as a result?

I live in north central TX but I still got it bad when I had DTV years ago.
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Re: October is here.. Are those dozen HD channels coming?!?!

Fri, 05 Oct 2012 12:33:20 EDT

JPL posted :

said by Greg2600:

I've begun to consider that as well, the home media server concept is the wave of the future. However, we're talking far more equipment change-outs than MPEG-4 would need! Unfortunately I don't think it helps the QAM problem either.

What has annoyed me was the insider info we heard here that Verizon will not be moving ANY of the existing channels, which care delivered to VZ via MPEG-4, from MPEG 2 to 4. Completely stupid.

First, I agree with you - they should be considering the migration of existing channels to mpeg-4. I think the premiums would be ideal for this.

Second, on the home media server, let me expand on what I meant. I didn't mean to say that it would help the QAM problem. It clearly won't. It does seem pretty coincidental that they're dragging their feet on what they've talked about before with IP distribution at the same time that they're unveiling the home media server. Even if a swap-out of equipment will be necessary for that, though, I don't think it would be on par with the mpeg-4 conversion. For the mpeg-4 conversion of a channel, you're talking about swapping out boxes in every house that receives that channel. With the streaming option, while I think it'll be popular, I have to believe that only a small portion of the households have any desire, right now, to do it.

Even in my house, where I love the option to stream content, it's used fairly infrequently right now. I may stream a movie from Epix onto my laptop, e.g., but I can probably count on 2 hands the number of times I've done that in the last 2 years. All that being said, I think this is the architecture that everyone's been pushing to for a very long time. Glad to see that it's finally coming. Now I just have to convince my wife why we NEED to swap out our DVR... again :).

Re: October is here.. Are those dozen HD channels coming?!?!

Fri, 05 Oct 2012 09:30:41 EDT

Betamax76 posted : Additional MPEG-2 compression is NOT being rejected. In the last year, all HBO and Cinemax HD channels have been transitioned from 2 channels per QAM to 3 channels per QAM using MPEG-2 encoding. In addition, the .TV HD channels have been switched from 2:1 to 3:1 MPEG-2 compression. And most recently, in order to make room for the temporary Olympic HD channels, BBC America HD, and the Spanish HD channels which require MPEG-4 Fios 7000 series boxes, Hallmark Movie Channel HD, QVC HD, MavTV HD and several others have been switched to 3:1 MPEG-2 statmuxing.

The initial batch of channels that were switched to 3:1 statmuxing such as HBO and Cinemax are sent as MPEG-4 from the provider and had to be re-encoded to MPEG-2 anyway. Reported MPEG-4 bit rates were on the order of 6 MB/sec. Placing only 2 of these channels on an MPEG-2 QAM carrier was wasteful. With more channels switching to an MPEG-4 delivery system, look for additional 3 to 1 MPEG-2 channel loading.

If half of the existing HD channels are switched from 2:1 to 3:1 statmuxing, this opens up another another 6 QAM slots, providing between 12 to 18 additional MPEG-2 HD channels. The key is to select the right channel for 3:1 MPEG-2 statmuxing. Shopping channels such as HSN and news channels tend to feature talking heads and less quick action scenes.

Re: October is here.. Are those dozen HD channels coming?!?!

Fri, 05 Oct 2012 09:20:54 EDT

Greg2600 posted : I've begun to consider that as well, the home media server concept is the wave of the future. However, we're talking far more equipment change-outs than MPEG-4 would need! Unfortunately I don't think it helps the QAM problem either.

What has annoyed me was the insider info we heard here that Verizon will not be moving ANY of the existing channels, which care delivered to VZ via MPEG-4, from MPEG 2 to 4. Completely stupid.

Re: October is here.. Are those dozen HD channels coming?!?!

Fri, 05 Oct 2012 08:10:46 EDT

JPL posted :

said by Greg2600:

It's either MPEG-4 or IPTV, there's no other choices. Given Verizon's absurdly slow roll out of their 26-channel IPTV solution for Xbox and we assume iPad, I'm not confident it's a solution they can use in the home.

Again, I'm aware of that. I was simply answering the question that was asked: if we have iptv, then why do we need mpeg-4? That's all. I threw out a list of hypotheticals to back it up, as in: if we shelve IP, what else is there for expanding bandwidth? I thought I was pretty clear in making the case that those other options weren't in the cards for Verizon (e.g. I talked about the cost of 1GHz QAM, and how if you're going to go through the exercise of replacing equipment anyway... why not go with mpeg-4, and I also mentioned that the mpeg-2 compression was tried and rejected).

I don't mean to pound on this, but I get it. I do.

BTW, as for the slow rollout of their IPTV solution, I think the reason for that is their new home media DVR (or whatever its called). Because that's basically what that is - IP distribution of video throughout your home network. I would like to see Verizon pick up the pace on this as well, but I can also see the point of putting it all together under a single architecture.

Re: October is here.. Are those dozen HD channels coming?!?!

Thu, 04 Oct 2012 15:23:20 EDT

Greg2600 posted : It's either MPEG-4 or IPTV, there's no other choices. Given Verizon's absurdly slow roll out of their 26-channel IPTV solution for Xbox and we assume iPad, I'm not confident it's a solution they can use in the home.

Re: October is here.. Are those dozen HD channels coming?!?!

Thu, 04 Oct 2012 14:30:10 EDT

JPL posted :

said by nycdave:

1GHz RF plant isn't even being discussed.....

Yes, I realize that it's not. I just put it out there as one of the options that are available if they want to expand bandwidth without going IP. My point is - their options are limited, to answer the question that Italian asked, which is: why do you need mpeg-4 if you have IP? My answer was: you don't need MPEG-4... but if you also shelve the idea of IP... what else is there? So I listed them. There are probably a couple others, I guess. For one thing, they could 'cable-ize' their channel line-up, and scrap the idea of a common channel foot-print across all markets. That would allow some markets to use QAM that's currently off limits because it's reserved for things like locals and RSNs for a particular market. I don't see that as realistic either, nor do I see it as desirable.

MPEG-4 is mentioned so consistently because it's probably the biggest bang for your buck, in terms of options. Much of the equipment in the market can already handle it. That seems to be the most obvious next move for Verizon, again if they want to expand bandwidth for TV.

Re: October is here.. Are those dozen HD channels coming?!?!

Thu, 04 Oct 2012 13:50:52 EDT

nycdave posted : 1GHz RF plant isn't even being discussed.....

Re: October is here.. Are those dozen HD channels coming?!?!

Thu, 04 Oct 2012 12:07:00 EDT

JPL posted :

said by ITALIAN926:

Is MPEG4 even necessary?. Program the least viewed HD channels to start up as an IPTV streaming channel. It would take a second to start, it wont be instantaneous, but THESE are the less popular channels afterall.

It wouldn't be necessary... if they would go IP. I think that's the issue. Verizon is out of bandwidth for TV. They need to do SOMETHING to increase bandwidth if they want to add more channels. Their plan all along, I believe, has been IP. If they were to migrate channels to IP, then yes, they would free up bandwidth for new channels. But that plan got shelved, for some reason.

So, what's left? There are a couple options:

1) Higher mpeg-2 compression on some channels. They tried this and it got such negative response that the quashed the idea.

2) MPEG-4 conversion. Since mpeg-4 is so much more efficient than MPEG-2 at compression, and since Verizon is already getting some feeds in as MPEG-4, they can send out those feeds in MPEG-4, without affecting PQ at all, and free up some 50% of the bandwidth.

3) GHz QAM. This is a possiblity too, although, given the limitations of the hardware that they're using, I have to think this is probably the most expensive option (basically they would have to replace all the STBs/DVRs out there, as well as ONTs, and if they're going to replace all STBs/DVRs anyway... why not just go with option 2 - mpeg-4?

So, yeah, if they went IP they wouldn't need MPEG-4, but since they seem to be reluctant to go IP... their other options are limited if they want to expand bandwidth.

Re: October is here.. Are those dozen HD channels coming?!?!

Thu, 04 Oct 2012 11:51:12 EDT

bsangs posted :

said by Mac973:

Re: October is here.. Are those dozen HD channels coming?!?!

Thu, 04 Oct 2012 10:24:40 EDT

Strommy posted :

said by Mac973:

said by celticpride :

On top of that i just read an article where directv said they hope to carry ALL HD CHANNELS ONLY by 2016 NO MORE SD CHANNELS!!!

I gotta agree with this. We had the DISH in my fathers house in Maine and every single solitary time (and I do mean every time) it rained half the satellite signals would drop and if it was really bad (i.e. thunderstorm) ALL would drop.
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Re: October is here.. Are those dozen HD channels coming?!?!

Thu, 04 Oct 2012 09:36:39 EDT

anon posted : these days satellite receivers that content providers like ESPN give to operators like verizon or comcast include a MPEG4 to MPEG2 trancoder built in so there is no extra equipment that handles conversion that u speak of.

said by tnsprin:

said by ITALIAN926:

Mpeg-4 is how a large number of channels are already being delivered to Verizon. Switching for those would eliminate any signal degradation occurring because of the conversion, eliminate the cost of running equipment currently handling the conversion, and free up space for more programs. The negative is that currently only the Motorola 7xxx series and Cisco boxes handle them so Fios would need to start doing switch outs. Note some models of customer owned boxes such as TiVo's can handle it.

Re: October is here.. Are those dozen HD channels coming?!?!

Thu, 04 Oct 2012 09:18:19 EDT

Shay posted : Is that through the use of a tuning adapter?

Re: October is here.. Are those dozen HD channels coming?!?!

Thu, 04 Oct 2012 08:11:09 EDT

Mac973 posted :

said by celticpride :

On top of that i just read an article where directv said they hope to carry ALL HD CHANNELS ONLY by 2016 NO MORE SD CHANNELS!!!

Re: October is here.. Are those dozen HD channels coming?!?!

Thu, 04 Oct 2012 05:53:17 EDT

tnsprin posted :

said by ITALIAN926:

Re: October is here.. Are those dozen HD channels coming?!?!

Wed, 03 Oct 2012 22:35:21 EDT

Greg2600 posted :

said by ITALIAN926:

The problem is no provider has been able to implement an IPTV scheme at high video quality in a large scale.

Re: October is here.. Are those dozen HD channels coming?!?!

Wed, 03 Oct 2012 22:01:05 EDT

anon posted : Implementing Mpeg-4 and swapping out box is tons easier on the company and customers than having to swap out boxes, giving everyone the extra tuner modules. Not to mention implementing a whole new system to lower your picture quality to do IPTV.

I think Mpeg-4 vs IPTV is misunderstood here. Just like Mpeg-2(most channels now) its just a compression codec. Its newer than Mpeg-2 and simply more efficient. It can match Mpeg-2 picture quality while using lesser space/bandwidth. It needs boxes than can decode it, but its not a very system to implement from the customer to the provider. IPTV on the other hand is basically switching groups of channels on as you tune into or record them. If you've ever used it, you know channel changing is slower and it often suffers from less than stellar picture. With Fiber to the door that FiOS has, it can probably do better with the picture quality, but you likely lose the capability of using alternate systems like Tivo or WMC and are at the mercy of having maybe 4 streams for the whole house. Perhaps FiOS can do a much better job than current implementations, but I'm not impressed.

Re: October is here.. Are those dozen HD channels coming?!?!

Wed, 03 Oct 2012 20:40:36 EDT

ITALIAN926 posted : Is MPEG4 even necessary?. Program the least viewed HD channels to start up as an IPTV streaming channel. It would take a second to start, it wont be instantaneous, but THESE are the less popular channels afterall.

Re: October is here.. Are those dozen HD channels coming?!?!

Wed, 03 Oct 2012 14:27:49 EDT

fishacura posted :

said by JPL:

And you're also right that you pick a provider that gives you the most of what you're looking for. I've been very happy with FiOS, and they carry just about all the channels that I want in HD

Very fair statement. I believe the same thing and anyone who tells you that another provider's offer is "substantially better" is just kidding themselves. There are a ton of variables and they all have different areas where they excel and/or fall short.

That being said, what I will say (which I believe to be a fair statement) is that FIOS has not done enough to stay ahead of the pack. Five years ago I think it was clear they were at the top in both service and value. I think others have really caught up and Verizon has not done much to stay ahead. I'm not saying they've done this intentionally or with malice...it could be a cost/systematic constraint. However, they certainly haven't done much to stay at the head of the race IMHO.
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Re: October is here.. Are those dozen HD channels coming?!?!

Wed, 03 Oct 2012 14:17:59 EDT

JPL posted : I think if they had the equipment everywhere, then yeah, I think they would start migrating to mpeg-4, and start adding HD. You're right - this is all pure speculation. And you're also right that you pick a provider that gives you the most of what you're looking for. I've been very happy with FiOS, and they carry just about all the channels that I want in HD (there are a couple that I would really love to see added), but they're certainly no worse than any other provider around here on that front - no matter who I went with I could make the same claim (they carry most of what I want). Their service has been really reliable, and I even like the guide. The only thing that's been giving me pause is the price. It seems like all these providers have pricing pressures that are creating issues for many subscribers. Coupled with the state of the economy, I'd be lying if I didn't say I wasn't considering dropping TV service altogether. We're not at that point, yet, but a couple more significant price increases, and we may be there.

In light of that, I'm glad that these companies are more or less in a holding pattern. I really don't want to get to the point where I'm priced out. Although I'm more likely to drop phone service first.

Re: October is here.. Are those dozen HD channels coming?!?!

Wed, 03 Oct 2012 14:15:47 EDT

anon posted : I"M disappointed in verizon in that when i signed up 3 years ago i was led to believe that they would carrry more HD channels than any one, which is why i signed up,Yet they still only carry 1 HD channel for nba league pass!! On top of that i just read an article where directv said they hope to carry ALL HD CHANNELS ONLY by 2016 NO MORE SD CHANNELS!!!