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Kearnstd
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join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
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reply to Telco

Re: How Sad is that

said by Telco:

Most who have lived overseas can back these statements firsthand.

For example, if a cell phone plan was advertised as $49.95, that price included every single fee and tax. Over here, taxes and hidden fees can be as low as 7% to a whopping 41% - on top of the bill.
Who in their right mind fails to see what is wrong with this?

I have said what we need are laws that require service providers to tell you the out the door cost. I understand their TV ads cannot because the US system of taxation is so complex that it takes years of college to understand it when you include state taxes and in some areas city and county taxes.

However in this day in age there is no reason that a website once it has your zip should not be able to say "This will be your final bill" Same thing with retail locations. They should have signs stating what the actual final out the door cost of their most popular service plans is.
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Telco

join:2008-12-19

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On a side note, that's the problem with our tax code that ironically no Republican wants to touch. The small gov county system they adore was based out of England, from the 18th century, and is ineffective in 2012.

I'll give you an example. A wealthy friend of mind moved here from one of these generous yet ironically rich ("socialist") big Gov nations, with his business. To this day, he still rants about the 6 to 10 separate taxes he has to pay versus the 1 Federal income tax and 1 Federal sales tax overseas.

Small inefficient (weak) government does not cut it in 2012. Overseas, taxes are simplified and you can literally see where your money is going: schools, roads, modernizing towns and cities, modern transportation, R&D, etc; actual job-creations that the entire nation gets to use.

Whereas, the taxes he pays here are wasted. Unlike Romney, he has no issue paying tax to lift and grow the nation and the people who need actual 'assistance' (investment) to get back on their feet.

Contrary to rhetoric, our taxes do not go to welfare, to assist disadvantaged Americans. They certainly do not go in Infrastructure, as the NE corridor for example now resembles a post-communist Eastern block nation. Look at NYC, Phili, Baltimore, Newark, and compare it to London, Vancouver, Hong Kong, Sydney, Dubai, Paris etc etc.

Where our taxes do go is low taxes for Romney types, defense contractors, Big Agri, Big Pharma, and Big Energy.


pnh102
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said by Telco:

On a side note, that's the problem with our tax code that ironically no Republican wants to touch.

Yes... Barack W. Obama, big evil Republican. Not to mention those solid Republican majorities in Congress from 2009 to 2011. You'd think they could have fixed this when they had the chance.

/s
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TheHelpful1
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Upper Marlboro, MD
reply to Telco
said by Telco:

Overseas, taxes are simplified and you can literally see where your money is going: schools, roads, modernizing towns and cities, modern transportation, R&D, etc; actual job-creations that the entire nation gets to use.

THIS! That is the whole point. They don't want you to know where your money is going so they can send kickbacks to the lobbyist and PACs that got them their cushy job in D.C. If you could easily see where the money went, then they couldn't hide the payoffs under pork-barrel spending.
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skurfa4

join:2006-03-10
Yorktown, VA
reply to pnh102
Really? Because someone says a negative about Republicans they automatically support Democrats? Wrong...some of us, unfortunately far too few can see that the Donkey and Elephant may be different animals but they produce the exact same manure. garyjohnson2012.com


pnh102
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said by skurfa4:

Really? Because someone says a negative about Republicans they automatically support Democrats? Wrong...some of us, unfortunately far too few can see that the Donkey and Elephant may be different animals but they produce the exact same manure. garyjohnson2012.com

Voting third party ensures that the person who you least want to win ends up winning. Just ask the 3rd party voters who voted for Ross Perot in the 1992, 1996 and those who voted for Ralph Nader in the 2000 elections if they were happy with the outcomes of those elections.
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Os

join:2011-01-26
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Of course, the ballot access laws protected by the two major parties don't hurt either to delegitimize third parties.

Both major parties are corrupt pieces of excrement. Telco's analysis was spot-on, except for assuming that the corruption solely comes from Republicans.

Democrats are fundamentally the same, their healthcare bill is basically a lobbyist giveaway to Big Pharma.


pnh102
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said by Os:

Of course, the ballot access laws protected by the two major parties don't hurt either to delegitimize third parties.

But this still doesn't change the fact that a vote for a third party is the same as voting for the candidate you want least to win. It is just math at work.
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Os

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That's why we don't have public elections. Ideas, not corruption would be necessary.

And the Democrats and Republicans would lose their stranglehold on control. Follow the money, and you can see why our country is forced into a false choice every 4 years.

From the tagline in your signature, you're clearly drinking Team Red's Kool-Aid. George had it right, factions are the problem.


pnh102
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said by Os:

From the tagline in your signature, you're clearly drinking Team Red's Kool-Aid. George had it right, factions are the problem.

Please show me one election in which the third party candidate won. The only time it happens is when one party is displaced by another one.

The last time this occurred was in 1856.

Realistically speaking, there are 2 choices in this election, Romney or 0bama. Any conservative who votes for someone other than Romney is helping 0bama. Any liberal who votes for someone other than 0bama is helping Romney.

It is nice to dream of a perfect world in which we'd always get the candidates we wanted, but that doesn't exist and never will. Sometimes it boils down to 2 choices.
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Os

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Outside of abortion and gays, there's not a fundamental difference between Romney and Obama on foreign or economic policy.

The actions speak louder than the words.

It would be nice to realistically even have 2 choices. Who's challenging deregulation, corporatism, corruption or austerity?

And that is the problem.

mlcarson

join:2001-09-20
Los Alamos, NM
reply to Telco
Republicans don't want to raise taxes until the deficit problem is solved. Balance the budget by cutting government spending and then we can talk about raising taxes for worthy projects. Until then every dime of additional tax revenue will go to social welfare programs since the Dems need them for reeelection.


KrK
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reply to Os

Who's challenging deregulation, corporatism, corruption or austerity?

No one!

Trencher

join:2007-02-12
Etobicoke, ON

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reply to pnh102
Romney/Ryan 2012 - Put a couple of idiots in charge.

Fixed your Sig for you.

Oh and btw... having a 3 party (and in some ways 4 party) system in Canada seems to work perfectly fine up here.

Telco

join:2008-12-19

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reply to pnh102
For starters, he never had a super-majority, so it's almost impossible to pass anything. Especially with these blue-dogs pretending to be Democrats.

Second of all he was fixing your mess. Bush handed him a economy in deficit of a whopping $1.4 Trillion dollars, that was years in the making. However, you guys now blame him for not fixing your mess fast enough.

How delusional and brainwashed can a person be? To ignore the ramifications of handing someone years of projected deficits, then actually blaming them for not fixing your problem fast enough. Let alone having any time to fix anything else.

Your TEAnutters came in and promised the world. However, all they have done is filibustered a good 200+ times and killed off that "evil" EPA.


andyb
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reply to Trencher
It seems to keep them in check sorta.The 3rd place team actually came in 2nd last election with huge numbers.Surprised the shit out of everyone.People want change for real.No more promises just action and I dont think our border would stop that same want of change for your people.

Telco

join:2008-12-19
reply to Os
said by Os:

Democrats are fundamentally the same, their healthcare bill is basically a lobbyist giveaway to Big Pharma.

Personally, every time a republican politician votes poorly, the first thing I hear from a repubclian is that "Government "is to blame. Never ever the actual voting record of the politician they elected to represent them.

Voting records are public record and not negotiable. For example, Ryan voted for every single Budget-Busting policy of Bush. To claim he is the same as someone who voted against these very policies is incorrect.

People fail to realize that we have 3 branches of government here. The president is not some CEO, General, or Prime Minister that gets to call the shots. In fact, as per the Constitution, congress is responsible for the majority of policies.

There is a reason after all the the rest of the developed world uses the modern Parliamentarian system instead. Stalemates and finger pointing like we conveniently have under our system is simply not possible. The buck stops with the prime minster and his cabinet; who are also actual elected senators.


cork1958
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reply to skurfa4
said by skurfa4:

Really? Because someone says a negative about Republicans they automatically support Democrats? Wrong...some of us, unfortunately far too few can see that the Donkey and Elephant may be different animals but they produce the exact same manure. garyjohnson2012.com

"Wrong...some of us, unfortunately far too few can see that the Donkey and Elephant may be different animals but they produce the exact same manure."

Man! Ain't that the truth?!!
Doesn't matter what branch of government either.

Doesn't matter what you are either, meaning Republican, Democrat, Liberal, Stupid, Intelligent, etc....................
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bentbike1

join:2012-09-11
reply to Os
find a documentary sex lies i can remember the rest it was about voter fraud in one county basically a supposedly secure voting machine can have a hidden partition in the flash card and with in it is script that can had or subtract votes this was in ohio and even when confronted with the truth the county election board whent with the machines any ways

PDXPLT

join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR
reply to pnh102
said by pnh102:

But this still doesn't change the fact that a vote for a third party is the same as voting for the candidate you want least to win. It is just math at work.

You're right on that one. Ralph Nadar, GW Bush's most effective ally.

PDXPLT

join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR
reply to pnh102
said by pnh102:

Not to mention those solid Republican majorities in Congress from 2009 to 2011.

There never was a solid Dem majority in the Senate. You need 60 votes in the Senate to get anything done. The most the Dems ever had in the Senate was 58, plus two independents that would caucus with them. That gave each of the conservative independent Lieberman, and the Blue Dog Dems, veto power. Hardly "solid" to get anything done. Add that only lasted for about 70 days, between when Franken finally got seated to when Kennedy died. Add to that Mitch's stated goal of blocking everything, and you can't put sole blame on the Dems for not getting things done.


whiteshp

join:2002-03-05
Xenia, OH
reply to mlcarson
Every $1 in income tax .6 cents on the dollar go to welfare (.9 depending if you count TARP). The lions share of every income tax dollar goes to defense and social security for seniors. Republicans love to scream if they could cut programs to help the poor it would save like 99% of our budget. Far from it. It's just hype to keep the sheep angry and stomping their feet.

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Eddy120876

join:2009-02-16
Bronx, NY
reply to PDXPLT
My friend you hit the nail in the head. Those were some odd times for congress. Also another reason why the Democratic majority allow Ex President Bush to do anything in his power was because they were scared, since the 9/11 families and americans didn't listen to reason instead just went ahead with war plans . Mind you I was in favor of going to Afghanistan but not in favor or Iraq.


Eddy120876

join:2009-02-16
Bronx, NY
reply to whiteshp
Just like Mitt said those 47% won't vote for me .....Well thats because those 47% are not his Rich friends. Like I told this guy at work at lest his honest about hating the middle class and the poor. Only real thing about Mitt.