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| Canadian comes home from Guantanamo OTTAWA --- Omar Khadr, the only Canadian citizen held at the Guantanamo Bay detention center, was returned to Canada early Saturday morning, the Pentagon and the Canadian government announced.
Unlike other Western countries that brought their detainees home from the prison at the naval base, the Conservative government in Canada had vigorously resisted calls and a court order to bring back Mr. Khadr, who was 15 years old in 2002 when he was captured by American forces in Afghanistan.
Vic Toews, the public safety minister, offered no explanation on Saturday for the government’s change of mind.
“Omar Khadr is a known supporter of the Al Qaeda terrorist network and a convicted terrorist,” Mr. Toews said, reading from a statement at a news conference in Winnipeg, Manitoba. “I am satisfied the Correctional Service of Canada can administer Omar Khadr’s sentence in a manner which recognizes the serious nature of the crimes that he has committed and ensure the safety of Canadians is protected during incarceration.”
» www.nytimes.com/2012/09/30/world···all&_r=0COMMENT: I don't know enough about this to offer an opinion, but would be interested in seeing the comments/opinions of those who do know. |
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| said by PX Eliezer:COMMENT: I don't know enough about this to offer an opinion, but would be interested in seeing the comments/opinions of those who do know.
I think the topic here in general Canchat, instead of CanPol will limit the latitude of comment. 
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 A LurkerPremium
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I had a teacher once who once tried to initiate social comment on the case. The basics were that the family sent the child off to an Al Qaeda training camp at a young age. He's Canadian born and the opinion of the teacher was that he shouldn't be responsible for the brainwashing done at a young age.
Of course, he didn't seem to agree that if the kid was truly innocent then the parents should be jailed instead.
I agree though, it's probably not a good topic for CanChat. |
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A LurkerPremium
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Burlington, ON | The problem is that people generally believe one of two things:
- he's an innocent victim, brainwashed as a child
- he's a willing participant in everything, just a product of his upbringing
The real issue is, after everything he's been through, even if he completes the full sentence, what type of citizen will he be. I believe he's spent more of his life out of Canada than in it, however, he's Canadian born. Not as if he's an immigrant whose citizenship can be revoked. |
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| said by A Lurker:The problem is that people generally believe one of two things:
- he's an innocent victim, brainwashed as a child
- he's a willing participant in everything, just a product of his upbringing
I think most people believe it's likely a combination of the two. And as a practical matter, is a brain-washed "innocent" any less dangerous to Canada and Canadians than one who came by those beliefs naturally as an adult?
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said by Ian:I think the topic here in general Canchat, instead of CanPol will limit the latitude of comment.
I considered that, but didn't see this as strictly political.
Also, more people participate in Canchat, and there often seems to be more tranquility too. |
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A 15 year old should know right from wrong... |
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| Right, but didn't his family start his terrorism training at the age of 10 ?
When I read this, I think that maybe his dad should have been in Guantanamo instead....
»www.ctvnews.ca/canada/khadr-case···1.976639 |
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said by A Lurker:The real issue is, after everything he's been through, even if he completes the full sentence, what type of citizen will he be. I believe he's spent more of his life out of Canada than in it, however, he's Canadian born. Not as if he's an immigrant whose citizenship can be revoked. That's the problem I have with him. Technically, I can't consider him criminally responsible for whatever he's done since he was taught to be extremely hateful and violent at a very young age by his own family.
But at the same time, I can't see him ever be set free simply because he's never had a normal life, and his treatment by his family and various governments makes any possibility of a "normal" life for him completely impossible.
He would have been better off dying from his wounds in Afghanistan.
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vue666I'm in the prime of my senilityPremium
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Halifax, NS | And he intends to sue Canada several million.... |
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vue666I'm in the prime of my senilityPremium
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Re: Canadian comes home from Guantanamo Looks like it 's $10 million dollars...
»themuslim.ca/2010/02/07/omar-kha···-ottawa/ |
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Frankly Canadian or not, he decided to go fight for another country, in a war that Canadians participated in.
That in my books is treason, it just happened he killed Americans.
This is no different then the sons of parents born in Serbia went over there to fight , got their legs blown up and came back and claimed health care.
Get out, if that country was good enough to fight for , it should be good enough to live there.
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Dad is dead, but his mother should have been shipped out, she shared the same distorted views as her husband. If there is any chance that the kid will have anything close to a normal life he should keep clear of her and his sister, both are utterly corrupt and hypocritical.
Suffice to say he will be under a microscope for the rest of his life and his file will be indexed amended and updated frequently. |
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| said by Thane_Bitter:Dad is dead, but his mother should have been shipped out, she shared the same distorted views as her husband. If there is any chance that the kid will have anything close to a normal life he should keep clear of her and his sister, both are utterly corrupt and hypocritical.
Suffice to say he will be under a microscope for the rest of his life and his file will be indexed amended and updated frequently.
Sorry the microscopes were put away, Austerity measures, he's free to go.
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said by elwoodblues:Frankly Canadian or not, he decided to go fight for another country, in a war that Canadians participated in.
That in my books is treason, it just happened he killed Americans.
This is no different then the sons of parents born in Serbia went over there to fight , got their legs blown up and came back and claimed health care.
Get out, if that country was good enough to fight for , it should be good enough to live there.
Well articulated... |
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Two words. Child soldier.
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said by milnoc:I can't see him ever be set free simply because he's never had a normal life, and his treatment by his family and various governments makes any possibility of a "normal" life for him completely impossible.
He would have been better off dying from his wounds in Afghanistan.
Agreed, but I understand he will be eligible for parole in one year. Maybe after he's released scot-free, Maher Arar can guide him through the fine points of seeking a few million taxpayer dollars as "compensation" for his troubles. Welcome to Canadian justice.  |
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Not saying you're wrong, however, there are so many differences here. He grew up basically away from Canada, and it was in fact his family who indoctrinated him. He's not a kid pulled from his family who can be returned to them. As well, his family have very publically supported his participation.
It makes rehabilitation far more complicated. |
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