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Re: Canadian comes home from Guantanamo said by A Lurker:He grew up basically away from Canada
What a 10-year old's parents did, or where they sent him to, is not a childs doing. He is still a Canadian with constitutional rights. |
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If people are shooting at me, I'd shoot back to protect myself.
---after all, what can be so wrong with Afghanistan's equivalent of Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law?? |
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said by hm : He is still a Canadian with constitutional rights.
What about the constitutional rights of 34,934,792 other Canadians? Those who might prefer not to have in their midst a convicted terrorist and acknowledged al Qaeda supporter brought up with a potentially incorrigible hatred for the West? |
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said by hm :What a 10-year old's parents did, or where they sent him to, is not a childs doing. He is still a Canadian with constitutional rights. I actually didn't say that he doesn't or shouldn't have constitutional rights. Just that unlike a lot of child soldiers that returning him to Canada (and making him part of the society) would be more complicated. It's not like you're returning him to a familiar country, or supportive family. The family would be more likely to encourage him to return to the fight.
If we accept that nothing is his fault, and that his parents are responsible, why was his mother not arrested when she returned to Toronto? She's publically stated in the past that she supported his training, and hoped that her sons would die martyrs. She returned to Canada with another injured son to take advantage of health care for him. Why wasn't she arrrested for forcing her son into becoming a child soldier.
That's what I was talking about earlier. If he's 100% not responsible, why wasn't she held responsible? |
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said by Wolfie00:What about the constitutional rights of 34,934,792 other Canadians? Those who might prefer not to have in their midst a convicted terrorist and acknowledged al Qaeda supporter brought up with a potentially incorrigible hatred for the West?
What about them? Without setting a ridiculously dangerous and impossible precedent by stripping this man of his citizenship + constitutional rights there's nothing that can be done for it. By the very foundations of our laws he has every right to live among us once he's served his time. |
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kudos:5 | Absolutely true, I agree. But we have many examples of Canadian citizens locked up for life under due process which respects their constitutional rights but at the same time respects the principles of justice. The issue here is not his unarguable rights, but a balanced administration of justice taking into account the safety and best interests of law-abiding citizens. |
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said by Wolfie00:said by hm : He is still a Canadian with constitutional rights.
What about the constitutional rights of 34,934,792 other Canadians? Those who might prefer not to have in their midst a convicted terrorist and acknowledged al Qaeda supporter brought up with a potentially incorrigible hatred for the West? Sorry, once he has served his sentence, he has the same rights as every other Canadian citizen.
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said by Wolfie00:said by hm : He is still a Canadian with constitutional rights.
What about the constitutional rights of 34,934,792 other Canadians? Those who might prefer not to have in their midst a convicted terrorist and acknowledged al Qaeda supporter brought up with a potentially incorrigible hatred for the West? Lots of people w/ hatred towards the wests' policies. It's not illegal. If it was a lot of people would be tossed out of Canada.
They have a right to their belief of what's right and wrong in this world.
Even the Ottawa uni's who started the Israeli apartheid thing and condemned the wests involvement are free to do so.
BTW, what constitutional right are you referring to to hate someone who was a child soldier?
In addition, I think you will only find a small fanatical few in that "34,934,792 other Canadians" who want the constitutional right to hate a child soldier.
Your rights weren't trampled on and removed for political reasons. His were. |
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said by Wolfie00:Absolutely true, I agree. But we have many examples of Canadian citizens locked up for life under due process which respects their constitutional rights but at the same time respects the principles of justice. The issue here is not his unarguable rights, but a balanced administration of justice taking into account the safety and best interests of law-abiding citizens.
What no one knows is the efect of his time in Gitmo.
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Halifax, NS | reply to Shrug
He committed treason and sided with our enemy and fought against our ally when we were at war...
.... I can not think of a more horrendous crime one can commit against one's country...
What is the punishment for treason in Canada? |
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said by DKS:said by Wolfie00:said by hm : He is still a Canadian with constitutional rights.
What about the constitutional rights of 34,934,792 other Canadians? Those who might prefer not to have in their midst a convicted terrorist and acknowledged al Qaeda supporter brought up with a potentially incorrigible hatred for the West? Sorry, once he has served his sentence, he has the same rights as every other Canadian citizen. Correct. The issue here is the determination of the sentence. We are dealing here with something rarely dealt with in ordinary criminal law. Normal assumptions about criminal motivations and rehabilitation may be naive and inadequate in this situation, and put Canadians at risk.
said by DKS:What no one knows is the efect of his time in Gitmo.
True. It may have radicalized him even more.
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hm
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said by vue666:He committed treason
I'm sorry, was he tried and convicted for treason against Canada? I seemed to have missed this part.
Or are you fabricating something? |
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Halifax, NS | Is he or is he not a Canadian? Did he & his family fight with the enemy against Canada & allies? If so, that's treason.... |
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Halifax, NS | reply to DKS
said by DKS:said by Wolfie00:Absolutely true, I agree. But we have many examples of Canadian citizens locked up for life under due process which respects their constitutional rights but at the same time respects the principles of justice. The issue here is not his unarguable rights, but a balanced administration of justice taking into account the safety and best interests of law-abiding citizens.
What no one knows is the efect of his time in Gitmo. How about he is an admitted supporter & participant in the All Qaeda terrorist network and has been convicted of terrorism.... These are not good reasons to allow him lose in our streets... Plus he wants to sue us for 10 million... Too bad a US marine didn't put a bullet through his brain in Afghanistan.... |
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New Jersey | reply to PX Eliezer
What was the mother's role in this and why hasn't she been prosecuted? |
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said by vue666:said by DKS:said by Wolfie00:Absolutely true, I agree. But we have many examples of Canadian citizens locked up for life under due process which respects their constitutional rights but at the same time respects the principles of justice. The issue here is not his unarguable rights, but a balanced administration of justice taking into account the safety and best interests of law-abiding citizens.
What no one knows is the efect of his time in Gitmo. How about he is an admitted supporter & participant in the All Qaeda terrorist network and has been convicted of terrorism.... These are not good reasons to allow him lose in our streets... Plus he wants to sue us for 10 million... Too bad a US marine didn't put a bullet through his brain in Afghanistan.... And once he has done his time and abides by Canadian law, he is no different from any other Canadian citizen.
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said by Wolfie00:Correct. The issue here is the determination of the sentence. We are dealing here with something rarely dealt with in ordinary criminal law. Normal assumptions about criminal motivations and rehabilitation may be naive and inadequate in this situation, and put Canadians at risk.
True. It may have radicalized him even more.
Or it may have given him time to think. That is something to be determined. But again, once he has finished his jail time, he's just another Canadian citizen.
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vue666I'm in the prime of my senilityPremium
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Halifax, NS | Just another Canadian citizen? hardly...how many Canadians do you know are supporters of Al Qaeda? Convicted of being a terrorist? Took up arms against their country and it's allies? His name is near most a household name in Canada, how many other Canadians are?
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said by vue666:He committed treason and sided with our enemy and fought against our ally when we were at war...
.... I can not think of a more horrendous crime one can commit against one's country...
What is the punishment for treason in Canada?
He wasn't tried for treason. He was tried for murder. Based on the fact that the US was at war with Afghanistan and the fact that he was fighting for the Taliban, he was a child soldier therefore could not have committed murder. Treason yes, murder no.
Now, if you want to apply the treason portion of the criminal code to him he could be sentenced to life in prison EXCEPT for the fact that he was 15 at the time, therefore the longest sentence he could have received was 3 years under the Young Offender's Act, which was still in place when the treason was committed.
So as a matter of fact if they'd tried him for high treason against the Crown, he would have been let out of prison 8 years ago. |
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