Topic 'Re: Yea or nay on IE 8?' in forum 'Security' - dslreports.com

Re: Yea or nay on IE 8?

Wed, 03 Oct 2012 14:58:30 EDT

DownTheShore posted :

Are you running that on Win7? I was going to try it out back in 2010 on a laptop..but it had an amd processor that was not compatible at that time. Thanks.

»blogs.cio.com/browsers/16732/pal···er-heard

Sorry for the delay. I'm running it on Vista.

Re: Yea or nay on IE 8?

Tue, 02 Oct 2012 18:51:38 EDT

Name Game posted : We expect you to show up for Patch Tuesday from now on..40 day/night vacations and no postcards is the pits. ;)

Re: Yea or nay on IE 8?

Tue, 02 Oct 2012 18:36:10 EDT

jaykaykay posted : "This post examines hard data that shows why such reasoning is more emotional than factual. Unlike Google Chrome and Mozilla Firefox users, IE users were exposed to active attacks against unpatched, critical vulnerabilities for months at a time "

So, what else is new! :D That isn't different than what has been the case with IE forever. Sorry, but I've been around here long enough without the lecture, which is exactly why I said I didn't want it. ;)
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Re: Yea or nay on IE 8?

Tue, 02 Oct 2012 18:25:10 EDT

angussf posted :

said by jaykaykay:

I've looked for anything I can find on IE 8 but cannot find anything specific to whether I should update to IE 8 on my system? No. I don't need any lecture on using a different browser...just if updating to this specific one is wise. Is it secure, or at least as much as any MS browser can be on an updated XP and secured as much as possible, system? Any advice on this one will be appreciated. This is one of those times that I am very hesitant on fixing something that "ain't broke".

1. You don't say what version of IE you have now.
2. You DO IMHO need a lecture about using IE. Krebs-On-Security has a great explanation of why:

In a Zero-Day World, It’s Active Attacks that Matter — Krebs on Security
»krebsonsecurity.com/2012/10/in-a···-matter/
The recent zero-day vulnerability in Internet Explorer caused many (present company included) to urge Internet users to consider surfing the Web with a different browser until Microsoft issued a patch. Microsoft did so last month, but not before experts who ought to have known better began downplaying such advice, pointing out that other browser makers have more vulnerabilities and just as much exposure to zero-day flaws.

This post examines hard data that shows why such reasoning is more emotional than factual. Unlike Google Chrome and Mozilla Firefox users, IE users were exposed to active attacks against unpatched, critical vulnerabilities for months at a time over the past year and a half.

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Re: Yea or nay on IE 8?

Tue, 02 Oct 2012 17:20:44 EDT

Dustyn posted :

said by brianiscool:

Internet Explorer is like inviting the plague into your system.

Don't be jealous.
Think Dude111 would like to have this neon sign?
[att=1,l]

Re: Yea or nay on IE 8?

Tue, 02 Oct 2012 17:10:01 EDT

siljaline posted :

said by brianiscool:

Internet Explorer is like inviting the plague into your system.

Yawn

Re: Yea or nay on IE 8?

Tue, 02 Oct 2012 11:53:07 EDT

NormanS posted :

said by brianiscool:

Internet Explorer is like inviting the plague into your system.

Probably true for versions older than IE6, but ...
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Re: Yea or nay on IE 8?

Tue, 02 Oct 2012 10:44:07 EDT

brianiscool posted : Internet Explorer is like inviting the plague into your system.

Re: Yea or nay on IE 8?

Tue, 02 Oct 2012 00:17:13 EDT

siljaline posted : IIRC, you can roll back to IE7. You would need to remove all KB's that installed IE8 (or) Add | Remove Programs > IE7 would be re-instated.

In the day when IE7 was released, many didn't like over IE6.

Re: Yea or nay on IE 8?

Sun, 30 Sep 2012 19:53:37 EDT

Davesnothere posted :
Another FFFU (FireFox FuckUp) was removing the 'New Tab' from the Right-Click Tab Menu, somewhere between versions 4.0 and 12.0 (aka ver 4.8). - I actually USED that and MISS it !

Can I get it back ? (in the about:config jungle)

BTW, those holes you posted were not from bullets - They happened when Dolly Parton bumped kinda hard into a wall. :p

Re: Yea or nay on IE 8?

Sun, 30 Sep 2012 17:42:34 EDT

StuartMW posted :

said by Davesnothere:

I wish the F### that Mozilla would leave well enough alone !!! :mad:

They removed "Close Window" (but "New Window" remains) from the File menu too. No idea why. Fortunately the keyboard shortcut (Ctrl-W) still works.

BTW I think I'm out of ammo :p

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Re: Yea or nay on IE 8?

Sun, 30 Sep 2012 17:32:44 EDT

Davesnothere posted :

said by Name Game:

Bookmark All Tabs as a Group

You might be able to get it back with this add-on offered by a student in Taiwan....

Thanks - will investigate.

It turns out though, that if you go [ALT]+[B] rather than mousing to make the menu appear, that the FireFox Bookmark Menu looks different, and only then it INCLUDES that option.

I was hoping for a way to make it universally included.

This was ONE of the few IE functionalities with which M$ did NOT fuck, in the revisions from version 7+ forward.

However, M$ tried to remove the menues entirely. :uhh: :huh:

Re: Yea or nay on IE 8?

Sun, 30 Sep 2012 16:13:25 EDT

Name Game posted :

said by Davesnothere:

I wish the F### that Mozilla would leave well enough alone !!! :mad:

I still am grumpy at them for removing 'Bookmark All Tabs as a Group' from the Bookmark Menu, back around version 4.0 or so. - Is there a fix for THAT in about:config ?

Bookmark All Tabs as a Group

You might be able to get it back with this add-on offered by a student in Taiwan

Why was Enable Bookmark All Tabs created?
After Firefox 4 ,Because less people are using the 「Bookmark All Tabs」. So it has been hidden.But I love to use 「Bookmark All Tabs」with panorama (Tab Groups), so I think it should be enable by add-on.So I download the Firefox source code, and found the way to enable the 「Bookmark All Tabs」. And try to make an Add-On. Thanks kennyluck's teach, I will try to make more Add-On
What's next for Enable Bookmark All Tabs
Still thinking

»addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox···ll-tabs/

»howto.cnet.com/8301-11310_39-573···at-once/
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Re: Yea or nay on IE 8?

Sun, 30 Sep 2012 15:39:16 EDT

NormanS posted : Isn't the "Big O" in Paradigm City? I think Dorothy is hot!
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Re: Yea or nay on IE 8?

Sun, 30 Sep 2012 12:39:09 EDT

Davesnothere posted :

said by kickass69:

Mozilla removed it from the normal menus in 15 but you can restore the tabs on the bottom.

Go to about:config and copy and paste this in the search: browser.tabs.OnTop and Toggle it to False.

After a bit the option itself reappears under View - Toolbars or right clicking anywhere in the toolbar area.

Reappears as in ver 12/13/14 ?

I wish the F### that Mozilla would leave well enough alone !!! :mad:

I still am grumpy at them for removing 'Bookmark All Tabs as a Group' from the Bookmark Menu, back around version 4.0 or so. - Is there a fix for THAT in about:config ?

Re: Yea or nay on IE 8?

Sun, 30 Sep 2012 10:44:03 EDT

therube posted : > New&Improved does not necessarily mean better

In the case of IE, new (other then a new version entirely) is almost never "better".
IOW they are not adding new, or improving features of IE.

But security exploits are being fixed.
And that is why you want to keep current.

Re: Yea or nay on IE 8?

Sun, 30 Sep 2012 10:18:52 EDT

vaxvms posted :

said by therube:

it should be kept current

Why is that?
New&Improved does not necessarily mean better

Re: Yea or nay on IE 8?

Sun, 30 Sep 2012 10:10:20 EDT

therube posted : > should update to IE 8 on my system?

Yes.

Not sure if you've said, but XP?
And if XP, you can't run IE 9.

And if you have IE 8, it should be kept current - whether you use it (directly) or not. (There are plenty of uses of "IE", from Windows & third-party apps, without opening IE directly.)

Whether you have (just_about_any_program_you_wish_to_name), it should be kept current - whether you use it or not. (Well just about any program that is Net facing & regularly patched for exploits.)

Re: Yea or nay on IE 8?

Sun, 30 Sep 2012 08:25:21 EDT

StuartMW posted : I woke up to one of those shining right through my window (the glass kind) into my eyes.
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Re: Yea or nay on IE 8?

Sun, 30 Sep 2012 06:20:48 EDT

kickass69 posted : Mozilla removed it from the normal menus in 15 but you can restore the tabs on the bottom.

Go to about:config and copy and paste this in the search: browser.tabs.OnTop and Toggle it to False.

After a bit the option itself reappears under View - Toolbars or right clicking anywhere in the toolbar area.

Re: Yea or nay on IE 8?

Sun, 30 Sep 2012 05:33:43 EDT

Davesnothere posted :
Tea, Earl Grey, Hot.

Make It So !

= = = = = = = =

Browser Layout Annoyances :

IE8 lets you put the Refresh and Stop buttons back where they belong, but IE7 does not.

There is also a registry patch available for moving the Menu bar back to above the address line, which is listed for IE7 but also works with IE8.

I use IE8 on XP SP3 and on Vista SP2 machines, and use FireFox Ver 12/13/14 but not 15, as 15 seems to have deleted the option to put the Tab Bar below the other bars at the top area.

Recent Opera is interesting too, partially as it also still can be installed onto Win2K, where, IIRC, all other recent browsers cannot.
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Re: Yea or nay on IE 8?

Sun, 30 Sep 2012 01:09:56 EDT

antdude posted :

said by Blackbird:

said by StuartMW:

said by Name Game:

Since the deed was done....

The season is now open! Fire at will :D...

Yeah... but it'll sure suck to be Will...

"Fire at Wil, #1." :P
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Re: Yea or nay on IE 8?

Sun, 30 Sep 2012 00:45:36 EDT

Blackbird posted :

said by StuartMW:

said by Name Game:

Since the deed was done....

The season is now open! Fire at will :D...

Yeah... but it'll sure suck to be Will...
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Re: Yea or nay on IE 8?

Sat, 29 Sep 2012 23:51:42 EDT

Dustyn posted : I'd say too expensive if it were real, but... who wouldn't want to live in the BIG "O"! ;)

Re: Yea or nay on IE 8?

Sat, 29 Sep 2012 23:37:34 EDT

antdude posted : I still have IE7 in my old Windows XP Pro. SP3. I had IE6 like until last year. I rarely use IE except for problematic web sites and MS Updates. ;) I will go to IE8 when IE7 is not usable with web sites and/or break.

Re: Yea or nay on IE 8?

Sat, 29 Sep 2012 23:24:21 EDT

Name Game posted : Are you running that on Win7? I was going to try it out back in 2010 on a laptop..but it had an amd processor that was not compatible at that time. Thanks.

»blogs.cio.com/browsers/16732/pal···er-heard

Re: Yea or nay on IE 8?

Sat, 29 Sep 2012 23:16:51 EDT

NightMayor posted :

said by Dustyn:

I like living with "O"pera. :)
.....
...but hooking with on the side to be a sinful pleasure.

How much is rent?!?!?!?!

Re: Yea or nay on IE 8?

Sat, 29 Sep 2012 23:08:16 EDT

DownTheShore posted : Me too, me too! :D

Re: Yea or nay on IE 8?

Sat, 29 Sep 2012 22:32:42 EDT

StuartMW posted : . o O (Might as well join in ...)

What'ya mean Windows 3.1 is obsolete???
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Re: Yea or nay on IE 8?

Sat, 29 Sep 2012 22:31:23 EDT

Name Game posted :

said by vaxvms:

said by hayc59:

Why use IE when you have firefox?!

Because all Mozilla software has become crap. There was a time when it was fine, but now it's (unsupported) shit.

Don't put it on that new dell laptop..or a PC.

Re: Yea or nay on IE 8?

Sat, 29 Sep 2012 22:25:57 EDT

StuartMW posted :

said by Dustyn:

I like living with "O"pera. :)

Doesn't she have her own TV network now?
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Re: Yea or nay on IE 8?

Sat, 29 Sep 2012 22:22:09 EDT

Dustyn posted : I like living with "O"pera. :)
.....
...but hooking with on the side to be a sinful pleasure.

Re: Yea or nay on IE 8?

Sat, 29 Sep 2012 22:21:50 EDT

StuartMW posted : Hang on y'all. Let me get behind the firing line! :p

*ducks and runs*
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Re: Yea or nay on IE 8?

Sat, 29 Sep 2012 22:20:03 EDT

Dustyn posted :

said by vaxvms:

Because all Mozilla software has become crap. There was a time when it was fine, but now it's (unsupported) shit.

Don't hold back. Tell us how you REALLY feel! :o ;)

Re: Yea or nay on IE 8?

Sat, 29 Sep 2012 22:17:18 EDT

StuartMW posted :

said by Name Game:

Since the deed was done....

The season is now open! Fire at will :D

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Re: Yea or nay on IE 8?

Sat, 29 Sep 2012 22:16:18 EDT

vaxvms posted :

said by hayc59:

Why use IE when you have firefox?!

Because all Mozilla software has become crap. There was a time when it was fine, but now it's (unsupported) shit.
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Re: Yea or nay on IE 8?

Sat, 29 Sep 2012 22:16:14 EDT

Name Game posted :

said by hayc59:

Why use IE when you have firefox?!

Since the deed was done....

:D :D

Chrome is now taking market share from Firefox not IE

»gs.statcounter.com/#browser-ww-m···7-201209
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Re: Yea or nay on IR 8?

Sat, 29 Sep 2012 22:11:45 EDT

StuartMW posted :

said by The Snowman:

LoL.....good luck with that JayK......an see how long before the " puter experts " begin posting the Whats and What for's'.....

Not very long evidently...

And I agree--pick a browser you like, keep it up-to-date, and monitor this forum and others for issues.
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Re: Yea or nay on IE 8?

Sat, 29 Sep 2012 22:10:18 EDT

siljaline posted : Yea on IE8 jaykaykay

Assuming your machine is stable, you should have nothing to worry about.
As soon as IE8 become available when I was running XP, I went for it.
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Re: Yea or nay on IE 8?

Sat, 29 Sep 2012 22:09:14 EDT

Name Game posted : I would change from IE7 to IE8 if those were the options being considered...

Internet Explorer 8 was released on 19 March 2009. It had been in development since August 2007 at the latest.[35] On 5 March 2008, the first public beta (Beta 1) was released to the general public.[36] On 27 August 2008, the second public beta (Beta 2) was released.[37] It is supported in Windows XP SP2 and SP3, Windows Server 2003 SP2, Windows Vista, Windows 7, and Windows Server 2008 on both 32-bit and 64-bit architectures.[38] Internet Explorer 8 (IE8) RC1 was released on 26 January 2009. Internet Explorer 8 "Final" was released on March 19, 2009. Security, ease of use, and improvements in RSS, CSS, and Ajax support are Microsoft's priorities for IE8.[39][40] It includes much stricter compliance with web standards, including a planned full Cascading Style Sheets 2.1 compliance for the release version.[41] All of these changes allowed Internet Explorer 8 to pass the Acid2 test.[42] However, to prevent compatibility issues, IE8 also includes the IE7 rendering behaviour. Sites that expect IE7 quirks can disable IE8's breaking changes by including a meta element in the HEAD section of the HTML document. IE8 also includes numerous improvements to JavaScript support as well as performance improvements,[41] although it still does not pass the Acid3 test, with version 8.0 scoring 20/100.[43] It includes support for accelerators, which allow supported web applications to be invoked without explicitly navigating to them; and WebSlices, which allows portions of a page to be subscribed to and monitored from a redesigned Favourites Bar.[41] Other features include InPrivate privacy features and a SmartScreen phishing filter.[44]

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_E···plorer_8

Internet Explorer - 1st time
Microsoft said that Acid3 did not agree with the goal of Internet Explorer 8 and that IE8 would improve only some of the standards being tested by Acid3.[34] IE8 scored 20/100, which is much worse than all relevant competitors at the time of Acid3's release, and had some problems with rendering the Acid3 test page. On 18 November 2009, the Internet Explorer team posted a blog entry about the early development of Internet Explorer 9 from the PDC presentation, showing that an internal build of the browser could score 32/100.[35]

»acid3.acidtests.org/

But as you know there are other alternatives out there besides IE.
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Re: Yea or nay on IE 8?

Sat, 29 Sep 2012 21:49:21 EDT

hayc59 posted : Why use IE when you have firefox?!

Re: Yea or nay on IE 8?

Sat, 29 Sep 2012 21:42:45 EDT

jaykaykay posted : Too late. The deed got done without my input. :( Thanks for your responses though. I will send them on in case they are of any help now.

Re: Yea or nay on IR 8?

Sat, 29 Sep 2012 21:21:16 EDT

GadgetsRme posted : From Microsoft:
Steps for Windows XP and for Windows Server 2003

Important You cannot uninstall Internet Explorer 8 if it is set to be non-removable. This occurs if you install Internet Explorer 8 before you install Service Pack 3 (SP3) for Windows XP. If this scenario applies to you, then you must uninstall SP3 before you can uninstall Internet Explorer 8. For more information about this issue, click the following article number to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base: 950719 You cannot uninstall Internet Explorer 7 or Internet Explorer 8 after you install Windows XP Service Pack 3

To uninstall Internet Explorer 8, follow these steps:

1. Exit all programs. 2. Click Start, and then click Control Panel. 3. Click Add or Remove Programs. 4. In the list of currently installed programs, click Windows Internet Explorer 8, and then click Remove.

Note If Windows Internet Explorer 8 is not included in the list of installed updates, you can try the alternative steps for Windows XP and for Windows Server 2003 . 5. Follow the instructions to uninstall Internet Explorer 8.
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Re: Yea or nay on IR 8?

Sat, 29 Sep 2012 21:20:33 EDT

The Snowman posted : JJK said:

" No. I don't need any lecture on using a different browser..."

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LoL.....good luck with that JayK......an see how long before the " puter experts " begin posting the Whats and What for's'.....notice thats " Puter Experts " .
As to your question.....JJK its like ever thing else regarding computer programs.....the answer is how much know you personally have regarding that specify program.
Rarely do I meet a person that even slightly knows how to properly configure internet explorer......ever notice how the same people that bitch about Internet Explore eventually bitch about Firefox.....an then move on to another browser......an bitch about that one.
Jay K do how ever you feel comfortable doing.......apply the required patchs an hope for the best.....because on todays internet thats all anyone can really do....no matter what the browsers name.
CAUTION:.......if possible "make an image of your System" before moving to IE 8...........THEN YOU CAN GO BACK if you have the need............

Re: Yea or nay on IR 8?

Sat, 29 Sep 2012 21:07:58 EDT

jaykaykay posted : Thank you. I shall have to read them all. I didn't find anything particularly of help in my search. Must have been the wording I used. :(

Re: Yea or nay on IR 8?

Sat, 29 Sep 2012 20:45:10 EDT

GadgetsRme posted : Be aware that, depending on whether or not you're on XP SP3, once you install IE8 you can not roll back to 7 if you have problems. I just got done helping a friend whose IE8 quit working. She has XP SP3. It couldn't be rolled back and was a real pain.
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Re: Yea or nay on IR 8?

Sat, 29 Sep 2012 18:52:03 EDT

StuartMW posted : BTW here's some other threads you might want to read.

»Adobe's code signing certificate has been stolen

» Java flaw allows complete bypass of security sandbox
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Re: Yea or nay on IR 8?

Sat, 29 Sep 2012 18:43:58 EDT

StuartMW posted :

said by jaykaykay:

...it is the major browser.

Well since you were away for so long you might try reading these threads.

»Google Apps dropping support for IE8

»IE Zero Day is "For Real"
»Microsoft out-of-band security bulletin September 21, 2012
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Re: Yea or nay on IR 8?

Sat, 29 Sep 2012 18:39:47 EDT

jaykaykay posted : On the system that I am asking about, and it runs on the same one you have, it is the major browser. Btw., yes, this is the first time back after being on vacation.

Re: Yea or nay on IR 8?

Sat, 29 Sep 2012 18:38:36 EDT

StuartMW posted : Wow, long time no see!

What are you planning to use IE for? I have IE8 on my XP SP3 box but only use it for Windows Updates.
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