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Re: Start Communications - new TPIA Rogers/Cogeco

Mon, 15 Apr 2013 01:05:59 EDT

Davesnothere posted :

said by Guru:

Sorry for the repeat. Earlier today, my previous post wasn't displayed. So I thought I had never actually posted the previous comment.

Due to the thread being long, it does that.

In threads like this one, 'Post #4' births each new page, or you can edit the URL to add 20 to whatever it has in the number near the right (start=xxxx), and force the system to display hidden posts.

Your clue to whether or not there are any hidden posts is to either count how many posts are in the highest numbered page (max 20 before the system is SUPPOSED to begin a new page), or check whether the name of the 'last poster' matches when inside the thread vs outside on the forum threads list page, and if it does not match, then there are hidden posts in the birth canal.

Re: Start Communications - new TPIA Rogers/Cogeco

Mon, 15 Apr 2013 00:58:27 EDT

Davesnothere posted :

said by rocca:

....Hopefully new customers will also see Start = $50, Cogeco = $72 (with another Cogeco hike rumoured in May/June), and the vast majority of consumers are still well under 100GB (even many lighter streamers - ie about 100 hours/month) so for many people this will mean a significant savings.

Also, while it is not obvious at first what the advantage is to most folks, START does NOT count UPLOADS, while GOUGEco DOES, AFAIK.

If you are seeding torrents (for example), that can make a serious difference as to how quickly or not you reach your monthly usage cap.

PLUS, if you DO exceed your monthly usage cap, START STILL does not charge for uploads, while you-know-who DOES, and the extra downloads after that will cost only one half as much in UBB per GB at START.

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Re: Start Communications - new TPIA Rogers/Cogeco

Sun, 14 Apr 2013 23:19:58 EDT

rocca posted : We're working on a few things, give me about a month. :)

Re: Start Communications - new TPIA Rogers/Cogeco

Sun, 14 Apr 2013 23:03:23 EDT

Guru posted :

said by docbill:

Sorry for the repeat. Earlier today, my previous post wasn't displayed. So I thought I had never actually posted the previous comment.

Due to the thread being long, it does that.

Re: Start Communications - new TPIA Rogers/Cogeco

Sun, 14 Apr 2013 19:19:13 EDT

docbill posted : Sorry for the repeat. Earlier today, my previous post wasn't displayed. So I thought I had never actually posted the previous comment.

Re: Start Communications - new TPIA Rogers/Cogeco

Sun, 14 Apr 2013 16:58:05 EDT

jasmo34 posted : Bump!

Re: Start Communications - new TPIA Rogers/Cogeco

Sun, 14 Apr 2013 10:09:39 EDT

docbill posted :

said by rocca:

Hopefully new customers will also see Start = $50, Cogeco = $72 (with another Cogeco hike rumoured in May/June), and the vast majority of consumers are still well under 100GB (even many lighter streamers - ie about 100 hours/month) so for many people this will mean a significant savings.

Sounds like then there is some wiggle room. Start could offer another plan with a higher limit, and at a higher price and still come out ahead of Cogeco.

Another alternative, I've been wondering if anyone has considered is being able to bring forward your unused portion of the data cap. Probably not everything, as eventually you might have someone sitting there with 1 TB of unused data they'll decide to use all at once. But say, bring up to 50% of your plan's cap forward. So say someone used 80 GB of a 200 GB plan, then 100 GB of the unused 120 GB could be brought forward, giving them 300 GB for the next month. Say that month they also just used 80 GB. Then 100 GB of the unused 220 GB would be brought forward again to the next month, again giving them a 300 GB cap. While this would not attract huge data users, it would attract customers who normally don't use that much data, but want to have some protection on the months they do. It also gives the customer a chance to notice there usage patterns have changed and they should probably change plans before they encounter an unexpectedly large bill.

Re: Start Communications - new TPIA Rogers/Cogeco

Mon, 08 Apr 2013 09:23:10 EDT

docbill posted : Here is another option that could distinguish Start. The way the tarrifs work, you don't really care about individual daily traffic. You care about the total traffic in peak hours over time. So something none of the other companies do you could offer is to roll over your unused data one month forward. This would attract customers that say only use an average of 100 GB per month, but I worried they might once or twice a year exceed the 200 GB limit.

Re: Start Communications - new TPIA Rogers/Cogeco

Mon, 08 Apr 2013 09:19:15 EDT

docbill posted :

said by jmck:

said by docbill:

It would be really great if the could just offer both plans. The free 2 am to 8 am is great for downloaders, but not so good for people who like to stream videos. I've my own analysis and for it is pretty much a break even proposition. But using the free time period would be much effort.

New customers who do not schedule downloads will simply see: Start = 200 GB, Cogeco = 275 GB.

No. Ultimately I guess it is a marketing decision. You could probably offer some sort of 300 GB that was still below the Cogeco $72/month at a profit, but it probably would make the 200 GB plan with free hours at $50/month seem less valuable.

Re: Start Communications - new TPIA Rogers/Cogeco

Mon, 08 Apr 2013 09:17:26 EDT

rocca posted :

said by rocca:

so for many people this will mean a significant savings.

...as well as getting awesome support and being the 'cool kid on the block' of course... ;)

Re: Start Communications - new TPIA Rogers/Cogeco

Mon, 08 Apr 2013 09:13:41 EDT

rocca posted :

said by docbill:

New customers who do not schedule downloads will simply see: Start = 200 GB, Cogeco = 275 GB.

Unfortunately that's the way the tariffed costs are right now, I know Cogeco is working hard to prevent exodus and we'll continue to improve when/where we can. Obviously Cogeco's own network cost continues to go down, yet our rates are still super-compensatory.

Hopefully new customers will also see Start = $50, Cogeco = $72 (with another Cogeco hike rumoured in May/June), and the vast majority of consumers are still well under 100GB (even many lighter streamers - ie about 100 hours/month) so for many people this will mean a significant savings.

Re: Start Communications - new TPIA Rogers/Cogeco

Mon, 08 Apr 2013 09:11:32 EDT

jmck posted :

said by docbill:

can't do much about Cogeco pricing, should it be sold as a loss? really it's up to the consumer to decide if it's worth it, you have potentially a free TB or so of bandwidth if you can schedule your large downloads at night.

but if you're household is simply doing live streaming or peak usage, then obviously and the choice is simple.

Re: Start Communications - new TPIA Rogers/Cogeco

Mon, 08 Apr 2013 08:59:10 EDT

docbill posted : It would be really great if the could just offer both plans. The free 2 am to 8 am is great for downloaders, but not so good for people who like to stream videos. I've my own analysis and for it is pretty much a break even proposition. But using the free time period would be much effort.

New customers who do not schedule downloads will simply see: Start = 200 GB, Cogeco = 275 GB.

Re: Start Communications - new TPIA Rogers/Cogeco

Sun, 07 Apr 2013 23:53:56 EDT

TLS2000 posted : Less than 600gb over 30 days is less than 20gb/day, not 75 to 80.

That could be 1 movie in 1080p format.
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Re: Start Communications - new TPIA Rogers/Cogeco

Sun, 07 Apr 2013 23:46:22 EDT

Guru posted :

said by geokilla:

Took the words out of my mouth.

Just being social ;)

Re: Start Communications - new TPIA Rogers/Cogeco

Sun, 07 Apr 2013 23:43:40 EDT

geokilla posted :

said by Guru:

If it makes you feel any better, my usage was 1.2 TB last month. What are you going to say about that? I don't have a life? Okay buddy, move on...

Took the words out of my mouth. But ok. Enjoy your TB of downloads.

And to be fair, your 1.2TB is "measly" as it's only averaging 40GB/day...

Re: Start Communications - new TPIA Rogers/Cogeco

Sun, 07 Apr 2013 23:29:09 EDT

Guru posted : If it makes you feel any better, my usage was 1.2 TB last month. What are you going to say about that? I don't have a life? Okay buddy, move on...

Re: Start Communications - new TPIA Rogers/Cogeco

Sun, 07 Apr 2013 23:27:05 EDT

Guru posted : Why are you judging someone's life over how much a person is downloading?

I don't have any rights, you don't have any rights and NOBODY has any rights to judge anyone's life except yourself!!!

In all fairness, everyone is entitled to their shit and has reasons to do what he/she does. And if you become social, what are you going to do? Talk shit about people, going to be like a gossip girl?

Re: Start Communications - new TPIA Rogers/Cogeco

Sun, 07 Apr 2013 23:05:26 EDT

geokilla posted :

said by TOPDAWG:

and yet you act like an ass then say people have issues communicating. Nothing says cool like saying how much a cool guy you are online. It takes all of 10 mins to download some stuff and queue it up by the by.

All you did was make yourself an ass. internet you win at it. whatever makes you feel better about yourself I guess.

Um.. on average you're using between 75GB to 80GB a day... If you're downloading blu-ray 1080P rips then I can understand where the high usage is coming from. Otherwise you seriously need to get out more. Where do you get all the time to watch all that content? >.>

Re: Start Communications - new TPIA Rogers/Cogeco

Sun, 07 Apr 2013 22:22:49 EDT

TOPDAWG posted : and yet you act like an ass then say people have issues communicating. Nothing says cool like saying how much a cool guy you are online. It takes all of 10 mins to download some stuff and queue it up by the by.

All you did was make yourself an ass. internet you win at it. whatever makes you feel better about yourself I guess.

Re: Start Communications - new TPIA Rogers/Cogeco

Sun, 07 Apr 2013 21:35:58 EDT

geokilla posted :

said by TOPDAWG:

and so what if that is the case. I'll say I don't have much of a life going out and doing crap costs money and money is something I don't want to spend a lot of right now plus the weather is shit so not like you can do much outside yet anyway.

here be my useage on my rogers 25/2

Details for April 01, 2013 - April 30, 2013
Usage to date: 540.77 GB
Additional Use Charges: $0.00

Don't you have friends? Or social gatherings to attend? 541GB in 7 days... Wtf.

Explains why so many people in real life or so rude or have problem being in a social environment, have trouble communicating, etc. All they do is sit in front of a computer all day everyday.

^Note the above is my opinion, based on real life experiences.

Re: Start Communications - new TPIA Rogers/Cogeco

Sun, 07 Apr 2013 19:24:10 EDT

rocca posted :

said by SeanDeMarco1:

I did but also posted here.

PM'd. Thanks.

Re: Start Communications - new TPIA Rogers/Cogeco

Sun, 07 Apr 2013 18:45:38 EDT

TOPDAWG posted : and so what if that is the case. I'll say I don't have much of a life going out and doing crap costs money and money is something I don't want to spend a lot of right now plus the weather is shit so not like you can do much outside yet anyway.

here be my useage on my rogers 25/2

Details for April 01, 2013 - April 30, 2013
Usage to date: 540.77 GB
Additional Use Charges: $0.00

Re: Start Communications - new TPIA Rogers/Cogeco

Sun, 07 Apr 2013 02:39:00 EDT

SeanDeMarco1 posted : I did but also posted here.

Re: Start Communications - new TPIA Rogers/Cogeco

Sun, 07 Apr 2013 01:44:27 EDT

geokilla posted :

said by alotofGB :

Just think of how much time is actually wasted per day if you are watching 7GB of video, per person.

So much of the days of sitting as a family and watching a show or going outside and doing something that gives a better benefit then youtube.

Does your family skype each other in the house instead of talking lol.

Lol exactly what I was thinking... Some people really make it sound like they got no life outside of the Internet >.<

Re: Start Communications - new TPIA Rogers/Cogeco

Sun, 07 Apr 2013 00:33:52 EDT

Guru posted :

said by SeanDeMarco1:

Hey rocca if there is any way to switch me to 30/2 200 GB and 2 am to 8 am unlimited even though it is a weekend make it so. I understand I will be giving up my grandfathered plan for good but I am cool with it.

IM or email him.

Re: Start Communications - new TPIA Rogers/Cogeco

Sat, 06 Apr 2013 23:55:53 EDT

SeanDeMarco1 posted : Hey rocca if there is any way to switch me to 30/2 200 GB and 2 am to 8 am unlimited even though it is a weekend make it so. I understand I will be giving up my grandfathered plan for good but I am cool with it.

Re: Start Communications - new TPIA Rogers/Cogeco

Wed, 03 Apr 2013 14:52:55 EDT

rocca posted :

said by FTTHTechie :

I have a few questions Rocca wouldn't mind answering:

1. Is there a maximum cap on overage charges ?
2. Do uploads count towards the cap or is it a similar policy like TekSavvy ?
3. Will Unlimited plans be offered
4. Is there a usage tool/calculator offered ?
5. What kind of process is involved with moving from one service provider to another and DSL to Cable and Vice Versa (Cable to DSL)
6. Is there a dry-loop fee or is it waived ?

I'm looking to switch from one service provider to another hopefully sometime this year soon and I'm looking at both TSI or Start

1. No.
2. No, uploads are free.
3. They are on lower tiers, possible that they will on higher tiers in the future.
4. Yes.
5. Changing technologies are 'new installs'.
6. We only charge dry loop on our Basic DSL tier, included on all others.

Thanks.

Re: Start Communications - new TPIA Rogers/Cogeco

Wed, 03 Apr 2013 14:36:07 EDT

anon posted : I have a few questions Rocca wouldn't mind answering:

1. Is there a maximum cap on overage charges ?
2. Do uploads count towards the cap or is it a similar policy like TekSavvy ?
3. Will Unlimited plans be offered
4. Is there a usage tool/calculator offered ?
5. What kind of process is involved with moving from one service provider to another and DSL to Cable and Vice Versa (Cable to DSL)
6. Is there a dry-loop fee or is it waived ?

I'm looking to switch from one service provider to another hopefully sometime this year soon and I'm looking at both TSI or Start

Re: Start Communications - new TPIA Rogers/Cogeco

Wed, 03 Apr 2013 12:58:19 EDT

anon posted : Just think of how much time is actually wasted per day if you are watching 7GB of video, per person.

So much of the days of sitting as a family and watching a show or going outside and doing something that gives a better benefit then youtube.

Does your family skype each other in the house instead of talking lol.

Re: Start Communications - new TPIA Rogers/Cogeco

Tue, 02 Apr 2013 22:52:52 EDT

docbill posted : I hear you. My son easily uses 7 GB per day, when I let him watch youtube. My wife also will use 7 GB per day when she is not working. My own use is variable, but 7 GB per person is a reasonable estimate. So if we all had a month of being able to use the internet has much as we want that is 630 GB. That is just watching videos, that is not actually doing downloads or such...

Fortunately right now I have 700 GB capacity so, I don't need to worry much. 400 GB Velcom DSL, and 300 GB Start Communications Cable. On the average month I use about 400 GB total.

Re: Start Communications - new TPIA Rogers/Cogeco

Tue, 02 Apr 2013 22:38:19 EDT

Guru posted :

said by Guspaz:

IIf I actually want something immediately rather than waiting, I just temporarily raise the limit (two clicks on the icon in the system tray), then set it back after.

Forse Start ;)

Re: Start Communications - new TPIA Rogers/Cogeco

Tue, 02 Apr 2013 19:30:50 EDT

Davesnothere posted :

said by rednekcowboy:

The years tend to run together....

I seem to recall some folks here saying that Rogers began throttling UPLOADS (which of course influences download speeds indirectly) of their own retail subscribers sometime before Bell started their BS with Indie ISPs.

I also recall reading here that Bell was throttling their own retail customers before the light bulb came on in their heads to do it to Indie ISPs' customers too, and that last part is what I believe would have begun around 2009.

Not sure who throttled their respective retail customers first, though.

Re: Start Communications - new TPIA Rogers/Cogeco

Tue, 02 Apr 2013 19:08:06 EDT

rednekcowboy posted :

said by Davesnothere:

said by rednekcowboy:

I strongly beg to differ. I was most definitely bitching about throttling 6 years ago, and well before that. You'd be more accurate to say 16 years ago...

Throttling did not begin to bother ME until Bell snuck it in on the Indie ISPs and their customers, targetting p2p traffic, which was only around the time that I joined DSLR in 2009, and though I agree that there WERE some monthly usage caps before that, I (perhaps naively) had not yet found all that much which I wished to download.

The years tend to run together and I admit 16 years was a bit of a stretch but can say without a doubt that my battles began with Robbers and Bhell over throttling prior to 6 years ago. Actually when my wife and I got married in 2005, I had an epic battle with Robbers and my fight with Bell was a year or two prior to that.

Re: Start Communications - new TPIA Rogers/Cogeco

Tue, 02 Apr 2013 12:34:49 EDT

Davesnothere posted :

said by rednekcowboy:

I strongly beg to differ. I was most definitely bitching about throttling 6 years ago, and well before that. You'd be more accurate to say 16 years ago...

Re: Start Communications - new TPIA Rogers/Cogeco

Tue, 02 Apr 2013 12:29:41 EDT

rednekcowboy posted :

said by Davesnothere:

said by Guspaz:

....some googling shows that uTorrent already had the scheduler 6 years ago...

....which indubitably paints me as a late adopter. ;)

Of course, 6 years ago, we had not even gotten AROUND to fighting nor bitching about ISPs' throttling nor UBB, let alone concerning ourselves with bandwidth capacity management as we do with today's draconian CBB rules.

I strongly beg to differ. I was most definitely bitching about throttling 6 years ago, and well before that. You'd be more accurate to say 16 years ago...

Re: Start Communications - new TPIA Rogers/Cogeco

Tue, 02 Apr 2013 12:26:27 EDT

Guspaz posted : Caps were common a decade ago. My ISP in 2005 had a 30GB cap (30, not 300) and unlimited off-peak, so many people did similar kinds of scheduling things.
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Re: Start Communications - new TPIA Rogers/Cogeco

Tue, 02 Apr 2013 11:55:09 EDT

Davesnothere posted :

said by Guspaz:

....some googling shows that uTorrent already had the scheduler 6 years ago...

Re: Start Communications - new TPIA Rogers/Cogeco

Tue, 02 Apr 2013 11:46:03 EDT

Guspaz posted :

said by Davesnothere:

In what version did uT add THAT degree of function control ?

I don't know what version it was added, but some googling shows that uTorrent already had the scheduler 6 years ago...
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Re: Start Communications - new TPIA Rogers/Cogeco

Tue, 02 Apr 2013 11:37:52 EDT

Sanek posted :

said by Guspaz:

Even a SuperHD Netflix stream is only about 3.5 GB/hr, and IPTV is typically less than that...

OK, let's crunch the numbers a bit:
- Say you're watching SuperHD Netflix 3 hours a day 7 days a week - that's 3 * 7 * 4 * 3.5 GB = 294 GB.
- I would say a 1080p transmission would need a minimum of 1MB/sec (could be more or less than that depending on service). Assuming the same 3 hours/day, usage per month is:
(1 * 60 * 60 * 3 * 7 * 4) / 1024 = ~295 GB
- You can probably assume similar numbers for 1080p YouTube.

What if you have 2 people using these services at the same time on the same connection? What if you want to use your Internet for other things as well?

Bandwidth usage grows every year and it's getting to the point soon when the alloted caps just will not be enough (if we're not there already).

Re: Start Communications - new TPIA Rogers/Cogeco

Tue, 02 Apr 2013 11:15:42 EDT

Davesnothere posted :

said by Guspaz:

I just set uTorrent to have unlimited periods between 2 and 8, and limited the rest of the time. I set the limited speed at 50KB/s downstream (no upstream limit), and no limit the rest of the time.

There's no manual action required, it's all automatic. I just dump torrents into uTorrent, and it handles the bandwidth stuff. If I actually want something immediately rather than waiting, I just temporarily raise the limit (two clicks on the icon in the system tray), then set it back after.

In what version did uT add THAT degree of function control ?

And are there any OTHER reasons which might make it worth my while to move to a newer version from my otherwise perfectly functioning 2.0.1 ?

I did notice that mine would optionally let me set a monthly usage cap to not exceed, though.

Re: Start Communications - new TPIA Rogers/Cogeco

Tue, 02 Apr 2013 11:11:46 EDT

Davesnothere posted :

said by Guspaz:

I don't know if Start also doesn't count upstream, but here's a shot of my TekSavvy usage for March. I was not taking advantage of the new policies all month (most of the off-peak bandwidth was the past week as I scheduled a lot of backlogged stuff).

This is a good example of how you can get a lot of bang for your buck. I have a 300GB cap. In practice, the upstream and off-peak bandwidth isn't costing my ISP anything anyhow.

Tsk, Tsk - By that screenshot, it looks like TSI is still referring to monthly usage as bandwidth - SHAME ! :uhh:

Re: Start Communications - new TPIA Rogers/Cogeco

Tue, 02 Apr 2013 08:53:47 EDT

Guspaz posted : Even a SuperHD Netflix stream is only about 3.5 GB/hr, and IPTV is typically less than that...
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Re: Start Communications - new TPIA Rogers/Cogeco

Tue, 02 Apr 2013 03:19:36 EDT

Sanek posted :

said by Guspaz:

Quite a lot of people watch Netflix, Twitch.tv, YouTube and other similar services that just eat up bandwidth (not to mention online game purchases and downloads getting bigger and bigger).

I love the off-peak downloads, but I think the alloted peak cap may not be large enough for normal usage anymore (or getting there).

What if you have multiple people watching youtube/Netflix/twitch at the same time? What if you have an IPTV service?

Traditional cap model would need to change in the future IMO. Not sure what it will become - probably not "unlimited", but exceptions could be made for some services (i.e. Youtube, which is heavily cached anyways).

Re: Start Communications - new TPIA Rogers/Cogeco

Mon, 01 Apr 2013 18:34:10 EDT

Guspaz posted : I just set uTorrent to have unlimited periods between 2 and 8, and limited the rest of the time. I set the limited speed at 50KB/s downstream (no upstream limit), and no limit the rest of the time.

There's no manual action required, it's all automatic. I just dump torrents into uTorrent, and it handles the bandwidth stuff. If I actually want something immediately rather than waiting, I just temporarily raise the limit (two clicks on the icon in the system tray), then set it back after.
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Re: Start Communications - new TPIA Rogers/Cogeco

Mon, 01 Apr 2013 16:17:48 EDT

Guru posted :

said by JCohen:

said by Guru:

Here is mine, I did last month.

Nice, what plan are you on?

60/2/300

Re: Start Communications - new TPIA Rogers/Cogeco

Mon, 01 Apr 2013 16:11:04 EDT

JCohen posted :

said by Guru:

Here is mine, I did last month.

Nice, what plan are you on?

Re: Start Communications - new TPIA Rogers/Cogeco

Mon, 01 Apr 2013 16:08:09 EDT

Guru posted : Here is mine, I did last month.