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peterboro
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Re: New US Border rules.

"The Department of Homeland Security and the Canada Border Services Agency announced today that, effective September 30, 2012, both agencies will begin the Phase I pilot of the Entry/Exit program as outlined in the Beyond the Border Action Plan.
Lewiston-Queenston Bridge, Lewiston, New York / Queenston-Lewiston Bridge, Ontario;and
Rainbow Bridge, Niagara Falls, New York / Niagara Falls Rainbow Bridge, Niagara Falls, Ontario.
"


So I found out my cousins kid is coming with my cousin to Florida to visit this winter. He has a criminal record for drugs. He has been to the US as a passenger in a car before several years ago.

When he crosses now by land as a passenger and hands his passport over does the CBP agent pull up a Canadian CPIC on every person in the vehicle?

»www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/newsroom/new···2012.xml



thebaron
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The way I read this, it only applies to non-citizens/permanent residents of either country.



Gone
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said by thebaron:

The way I read this, it only applies to non-citizens/permanent residents of either country.

This.


elwoodblues
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Halt.

Show me your papers...

Your papers are not in order. Come with me. Remind of you any particular country?

This is getting ridiculous today it's 3rd country nationals, tomorrow it'll be citizens.


MaynardKrebs
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Note to self - don't use any of those crossings unless you now want to endure 4 hour wait times.



neochu

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said by Gone:

said by thebaron:

The way I read this, it only applies to non-citizens/permanent residents of either country.

This.

Under the pilot, the Department of Homeland Security and Canada Border Services Agency will exchange routinely collected data of third-country nationals (those who are neither citizens of Canada nor the United States), permanent residents of Canada and lawful permanent residents of the United States...

If you hold a Canadian or US passport (and thus citizenship as opposed to a "green card") the rule doesn't apply to you.

said by peterboro:

So I found out my cousins kid is coming with my cousin to Florida to visit this winter. He has a criminal record for drugs. He has been to the US as a passenger in a car before several years ago.

When he crosses now by land as a passenger and hands his passport over does the CBP agent pull up a Canadian CPIC on every person in the vehicle?

Every person crossing the border US Bound, with or without a passport has CPIC pulled on them. That rule has always been present and it was one of the first instituted after 9/11.

Either the individual has a "pardon" on his file or they have already applied for the necessary pardons/permits to enter the US. Or they are not telling you the full story.

Try crossing with mental health issues let alone a summary possession conviction from a small bit of illicit substance.


Gone
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said by neochu:

If you hold a Canadian or US passport (and thus citizenship as opposed to a "green card") the rule doesn't apply to you.

Actually these new rules also don't apply to non-citizen legal permanent residents of either country.


Rifleman
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I have a old impaired charge and never had a problem.


MaynardKrebs
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said by Rifleman:

I have a old impaired charge and never had a problem.

Charge, or conviction?
There is a BIG difference when crossing a border.


nitzguy
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reply to Gone

said by Gone:

said by neochu:

If you hold a Canadian or US passport (and thus citizenship as opposed to a "green card") the rule doesn't apply to you.

Actually these new rules also don't apply to non-citizen legal permanent residents of either country.

...Ok, since this thread came up nitz has a question...

Nitz's dad had an issue back in 1972 with Johnny Law in the US in the state of florida....issue was dealt with....fast forward to 2010...nitz's dad was going to cross the border with his friend as they normally do to play golf up in SS Marie....nitz's dad must have been back and forth over the border dozens if not hundreds of times since then, even when the new passport regs came into effect because nitz's dad flew to Las Vegas in 2009 with no problems....

...I guess at the CBP the US agent was training a newbie when this 1972 file came up when nitz's dad's passport was scanned....

suffice to say nitz's dad can no longer go to the US and had a fun trek back to the CBSA on the Canadian side where they obviously knew the story....

Is this what they are referring to? Or did nitz's dad just run into an overzealous newbie who was trying to flex his muscle? nitz understands that the CBP are the gatekeepers to the US and that their word is the law...nitz's dad is in the process of getting things straightened out but the system works very slowly apparently...

Just wondering if this is the case as well? Nitz has a clean record of course and never has a problem, just wondered how such an old case that nitz hadn't even known existed until a couple of years ago
was still on the record....I didn't realize they computerized such files from such long ago...


Gone
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Overzealous newb who was probably fresh off the boat from a tour in Iraq. What happened to your Dad has zero to do with any of this stuff going on now.



neochu

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said by Gone:

Overzealous newb who was probably fresh off the boat from a tour in Iraq. What happened to your Dad has zero to do with any of this stuff going on now.

Its becoming something to where you literally have to get pre-clearance before you enter the US now.

With so much "ignroance due to time" about people's past criminal history its almost better to request a pre-clearance check (via CPIC) before you even go to the US, much like you would for employment.

Considering one event means forever the cost is far less to get an immigration lawyer to look for you before you even make your way there.

Grappler

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said by neochu:

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Its becoming something to where you literally have to get pre-clearance before you enter the US now.

With so much "ignroance due to time" about people's past criminal history its almost better to request a pre-clearance check (via CPIC) before you even go to the US, much like you would for employment.

It's called a NEXUS Card.


Rifleman
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Conviction.



Gone
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said by Grappler:

It's called a NEXUS Card.

... and they are wonderful.


elwoodblues
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said by Grappler:

said by neochu:

[
Its becoming something to where you literally have to get pre-clearance before you enter the US now.

With so much "ignroance due to time" about people's past criminal history its almost better to request a pre-clearance check (via CPIC) before you even go to the US, much like you would for employment.

It's called a NEXUS Card.

That's where you get anally probed.
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No, I didn't. Honest... I ran out of gas. I... I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake.......


Gone
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said by elwoodblues:

That's where you get anally probed.

It's funny when even the American interviewing you for NEXUS thinks that the whole process and uptightedness surrounding it is a joke. "Bureaucrats in Washington who know nothing about living on the border" was his exactly line, if I remember correctly.

The Canadian who interviewed us was friends with my wife. He's since been promoted.


elwoodblues
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It's true, bureaucrats have no idea what the real world is like. They sit in their offices in the heart of power and decide that the world should revolve counter clockwise instead of clockwise.

Expand your moderator at work

MaynardKrebs
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Re: New US Border rules.

said by nitzguy:

......just wondered how such an old case that nitz hadn't even known existed until a couple of years ago
was still on the record....I didn't realize they computerized such files from such long ago...

They probably computerized everything going back 120 years from when they started, lest the oldest person in the world - who couldn't walk or remember their own name - wanted to enter the US for some reason.

Add in everything the NSA is scooping up - every e-mail and phone conversation crossing the US border - and pretty soon every Canadian posting anything on DSLr or any other forum hosted in the US that isn't filled with glowing praise for Mom, Apple Pie, and the American Way of Life isn't going to be allowed across the border....ever, because it'll all be accessible by CBP to keep us socialists out.

Just remember that if you correspond with anyone on Sympatico, your message cross the border southbound to Chicago before they return to Canada. Ditto for rogers.com addresses - except they're routed via Sunnyvale, California.


elwoodblues
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said by MaynardKrebs:

said by nitzguy:

......just wondered how such an old case that nitz hadn't even known existed until a couple of years ago
was still on the record....I didn't realize they computerized such files from such long ago...

They probably computerized everything going back 120 years from when they started, lest the oldest person in the world - who couldn't walk or remember their own name - wanted to enter the US for some reason.

Add in everything the NSA is scooping up - every e-mail and phone conversation crossing the US border - and pretty soon every Canadian posting anything on DSLr or any other forum hosted in the US that isn't filled with glowing praise for Mom, Apple Pie, and the American Way of Life isn't going to be allowed across the border....ever, because it'll all be accessible by CBP to keep us socialists out.

Just remember that if you correspond with anyone on Sympatico, your message cross the border southbound to Chicago before they return to Canada. Ditto for rogers.com addresses - except they're routed via Sunnyvale, California.

Doesn't matter Mr Krebs, "The Harper Government" will be spying us soon enough.
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No, I didn't. Honest... I ran out of gas. I... I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake.......

MaynardKrebs
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said by Rifleman:

Conviction.

See if you can get a pardon asap.

Once the US has your data courtesy of Herr Harpler's new data sharing agreement, even if you have a pardon issued by Canada, the US will still have your record of conviction in their data centre forever. The US is under no requirement to honour a Canadian pardon. But if you get the pardon before the data is exchanged, then you should be ok.

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And [this] woman was so drunk, she didn't know she was in Canada.

SARNIA, ONT. - A drunk driver from Michigan, who was so plastered she thought she was in Detroit when she crossed the Blue Water Bridge into Canada, was fined $1,500 in Sarnia court.

Cassandra Rose Olbrys, 26, of St. Clair Shores, Mich. pleaded guilty Monday to the Sept. 16 impaired driving charge.

Olbrys told a Canada Border Services Agency officer at 1 a.m. she did not want to come to Canada and thought she was in Detroit.

She said she had been trying to go home and had not been drinking, but breath tests showed her blood-alcohol level was two-and-a-half times over the legal limit.

»cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/WeirdNews/2···376.html


elwoodblues
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said by MaynardKrebs:

said by Rifleman:

Conviction.

See if you can get a pardon asap.

Once the US has your data courtesy of Herr Harpler's new data sharing agreement, even if you have a pardon issued by Canada, the US will still have your record of conviction in their data centre forever. The US is under no requirement to honour a Canadian pardon. But if you get the pardon before the data is exchanged, then you should be ok.

Sorry Mr Krebs but we don't have (or won't have) pardons in Canada, it's become a "record suspension" under the law and order "Harper government".
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No, I didn't. Honest... I ran out of gas. I... I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake.......

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said by elwoodblues:

It's true, bureaucrats have no idea what the real world is like. They sit in their offices in the heart of power and decide that the world should revolve counter clockwise instead of clockwise.

Ummm... The world does revolve counter-clockwise when viewed from above the north pole.
See - »scienceblogs.com/startswithabang···ere-are/

anynomous

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said by Gone:

Actually these new rules also don't apply to non-citizen legal permanent residents of either country.

the way i read it , these new rules do apply to permanents residents of either country


Rifleman
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They already have it on record. When they ask I tell them.


peterboro
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said by Rifleman:

They already have it on record. When they ask I tell them.

I don't think some of them consider a DUI a real criminal offence considering most are prosecuted as misdemeanors down there.

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This true, most are prosecuted as misdemeanors.

However, things are getting tougher.

In New York State for example, a second DWI charge, or a DWI when there is a child in the car are felonies.

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One major difference from Canada is that each US state has its own criminal code.



Gone
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said by anynomous:

the way i read it , these new rules do apply to permanents residents of either country

Then you read it wrong.