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Dampier
Phillip M Dampier

join:2003-03-23
Rochester, NY
reply to txanon

Re: [TWC] Virtually All TWC Customers Face $3.95 Modem Rental Fe

said by txanon :

my last payment was due oct 15 and the service period says 10/5 to 11/04

it said on the bill that they will start charging me a lease fee of $3.95 starting the next bill

i already activated my own modem yesterday and returned my old modem today..

will i be charged $3.95 on the next bill?

Probably not. Otherwise they would have charged you even before they notified you there would be a charge.
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kontos
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join:2001-10-04
West Henrietta, NY
reply to Dampier

Anybody know if it is possible to get away with having a compatible, but not-approved modem activated by TW?


said by kontos:

Anybody know if it is possible to get away with having a compatible, but not-approved modem activated by TW?

you can always try

when i activated my sb5101, the tech asked me what my modem model was and if it was docsis 2.0 or 3.0

so you can try lying, but at least have the same docsis version


Elyria

join:2011-10-12
Elyria, OH


Might be worth a shot, giving them a legit model number with the
non-legit MAC-ID and see what happens once they hit the modem
with the provisioning code.

Have no idea if they can "see" an actual model number.



DrDrew
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said by Elyria:

Have no idea if they can "see" an actual model number.

Yes they can see the actual make and model number, along with serial number and the exact version of firmware on the modem among other things.

It's all part of the DOCSIS spec and is done through SNMP. Look at the SP-OSSI documents:
»www.cablelabs.com/cablemodem/spe···s30.html
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Elyria

join:2011-10-12
Elyria, OH

Very well Drew. Guess there's not much getting away with hardware.
Limited choices to own, but can cetainly understand the providors
position. Can only imagine the headaches trying to trouble shoot some
micky-fied model 388 super watchacallit.



kontos
xyzzy

join:2001-10-04
West Henrietta, NY
reply to DrDrew

said by DrDrew:

said by Elyria:

Have no idea if they can "see" an actual model number.

Yes they can see the actual make and model number, along with serial number and the exact version of firmware on the modem among other things.

Oh, I never thought for a second that they couldn't see details on the modem when it was in use. It was more of a question of does their system bother to check when the modem is activated by customer service.

scooper

join:2000-07-11
Youngsville, NC
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reply to Dampier

Got the post card yesterday about the upcoming modem lease fee . Thinking about how I want to deal wth it - right now I'm leaning towards getting a used 5101 that will ROI in 6 months (I'm on 10/1 service).



NormanS
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reply to hottboiinnc

said by hottboiinnc:

And with any 3rd provider costs are normally higher than with the actual last mile owner.- look at the cost of DSL.

Indeed, do! I pay $19.97 for the DSL portion of my phone bill.

$20 for 15M ADSL2+ beats the snot out of $65 for 15M DOCSIS. Why would I pay an extra $45 to double my upload speed?
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NormanS
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reply to Steve Mehs

said by Steve Mehs:

As for the prices of DSL, sorry, I don’t keep up with outdated and obsolete technology. I don’t go online and look at what blank audio cassette tapes are selling for these days, and I definitely don’t look at what’s going on in the dead land of DSL.

Fair enough. But some people still prefer sail over power, some people still prefer archery over firearms, and some people would rather pay under $20 for outdated and obsolete tech; and apply the difference (can be as much as $25 a month in Comcastland!) to other, more pleasurable, things.
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Steve Mehs
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And if you live less than a few feet away from the CO your 15Mb speed drops like a rock. DSL is an old outdated technology that has no place in the modern world. Craprizon is my phone company, living in a rural area 10-15 miles from the CO meant no chance of DSL…until remote terminals came about in around 2006. My aunt who lives around the corner, whose house I can see out my back window, can get Craprizon’s DSL via a remote terminal. I cannot, why I don’t know, but I do not care. The max speed she can get is 1.5Mb downstream. I can’t live with anything less than my 50Mb Wideband.

Last Sunday I went into work for a few hours, to take care of some stuff. We have a 1.5Mb connection. I brought in my tablet so I could stream some NFL Sunday Ticket and Red Zone. That lame 1.5Mb connection couldn’t even stream my football without buffering every few seconds. When people ask me to clean out their computers, I usually do a reformat, but always take their towers at home. Even at a 10 or 20 Mb connection, do you have any idea how much faster it is just to download a few year’s worth of updates with a 50Mb connection versus whatever they have.

I can just imagine the typical DSL connection completely choking while I stream DirecTV Red Zone on one tablet with the DirecTV app, NFL Red Zone using the TW app on the other tablet, while downloading 10 years worth of update to the neighbors Window XP machine while other things are going on, on my network. With over 20 internet enabled devices in my network, I cannot imagine slooooooooooooooow DSL being much fun to put up with.
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reply to Steve Mehs

said by Steve Mehs:

As for the prices of DSL, sorry, I don’t keep up with outdated and obsolete technology. I don’t go online and look at what blank audio cassette tapes are selling for these days, and I definitely don’t look at what’s going on in the dead land of DSL.

None of what you said applies to me personally. Time Warner has no caps, as a Signature Home customer it appears I’ll be exempt from the lease fee, and I have no desire to host a server.

Hear, hear my good man!

I would certainly understand if a Signature Home customer might also wonder why the little people were taking mass transit (or even a personal wheeled vehicle) across town when they could take a limousine or helicopter instead. Seems rather silly, don't you think, to concentrate on the price of an item when there's so much money available to satisfy our every whim?

See you at the Union Club. I'll be the one begging for my job while sweeping up the tea cup you threw on the floor because I spilled a drop on the saucer.
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Steve Mehs
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I'd rather take my Lincoln SUV around town then take a private helicopter. My Lincoln probably has a better audio system



NormanS
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reply to Steve Mehs

said by Steve Mehs:

And if you live less more than a few feet away from the CO your 15Mb speed drops like a rock.

I think you meant to type ... and at 9,156 feet my mother still gets 4.8Mb/s.

DSL is an old outdated technology that has no place in the modern world.

Damned if I am going to pay $50 a month for cable Internet. I will do with dial-up, or do without; absent "outdated and obsolescent" DSL technology.

Craprizon is my phone company ... I can’t live with anything less than my 50Mb Wideband.

Some of us (more than a few of us) can live without 50Mb/s Wideband. And we have the choice with DSL technology.

Last Sunday I went into work for a few hours, to take care of some stuff. We have a 1.5Mb connection. I brought in my tablet so I could stream some NFL Sunday Ticket and Red Zone ...

I can absolutely live without NFL, MLB, and the rest.

... With over 20 internet enabled devices in my network, I cannot imagine slooooooooooooooow DSL being much fun to put up with.

I can't imagine having over twenty Internet connected devices; even in the 2200 sq. ft. "mansion" I had been living in, much less my current studio apartment!
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Steve Mehs
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Yes, I meant more. Thank you. Sorry, 5Mb is unacceptable for almost 2013. Considering all you have to do is read the front page of this very biased anti-cable site to see stories about the telcos bleeding DSL subscribers to the cable companies, it’s pretty obvious that people want more speed and are dumping DSL in droves for cable broadband. And the lame telcos like A Fee&Fee and Craprizon are completely abandoning their DSL infrastructure to focus on their extremely low capped wireless services. As a sports fanatic (NFL, NHL, MLB, NASCAR, some NCAA football and trying to get into the UFC), I cannot live without both TV and online access to my favorite teams, players and drivers. It’s really not much out of ordinary to have 20 internet devices, considering just about every electronic device you buy these days is wifi enabled or has an Ethernet jack. I miscounted, I actually have only 19 internet enabled devices. Two desktops, laptop, TV, two blu ray players, A/V Receiver, Xbox 360, PS3, two tablets, smartphone, MP3 Player, two DirecTV DVRs, Sprint Airave, two ancient Windows Pocket PCs, internet enabled printer.
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Pervis

join:2011-04-07
Chapel Hill, NC

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reply to Dampier

Well, I just got the postcard (TWC-NC) and it says that the internet service price will be reduced by a corresponding $3.95 so it's a wash. Still, I'd rather own my own equipment. What is the group consensus for the best one to buy?

Oh, I currently have standard Road Runner service with a Motorola SURFboard SB5101 modem.



ArgMeMatey

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said by Pervis:

What is the group consensus for the best one to buy?

Some tech info on SB6141 problems in this thread:
»Re: Best DOCSIS 3.0 Equip?

It's not worth it for me to buy DOCSIS 3 due to high demand right now.
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scooper

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reply to Pervis

Yeah mine said the same - and yes -I'm currently using a SB5101U also.

I don't see paying for more speed for awhile, anyway, so the 10 M DOCSIS 2 should be plenty fast enough for now.



NormanS
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reply to Steve Mehs

said by Steve Mehs:

Sorry, 5Mb is unacceptable for almost 2013.

The year is irrelevant. And 5Mb/s is an acceptable alternative to surrendering my first born son AND left nut for "blazing fast" cable Internet.

We aren't all millionaires with Porsches and Jaguars.
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hobgoblin
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reply to Steve Mehs

" I miscounted, I actually have only 19 internet enabled devices. Two desktops, laptop, TV, two blu ray players, A/V Receiver, Xbox 360, PS3, two tablets, smartphone, MP3 Player, two DirecTV DVRs, Sprint Airave, two ancient Windows Pocket PCs, internet enabled printer."

You are using them all at the same time?

Hob
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Digiti

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reply to Dampier

I purchased and provisioned my Motorola SB 5120 modem[on the leased list] about two years ago but was charged the fee this month. I called the CSR and got the error corrected. I realize that it is Docsis 2.0 and does not do ipv-6 but it is OK for now. Also there is some controversy as to whether the newer Sb 6141 on the TWC buy list will do ipv-6. If it does not do ipv-6 then there is no advantage in my doing an upgrade because my modem has the same specs.



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»www.motorola.com/staticfiles/Vid···S-EN.pdf

The modem supports IPV6 according to the manufacturers.

Hob
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digiti123

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Sorry my mistake, I was referring to the Docsis 2.0 Motorola SB5101 not the SB6141 in regard to Ipv-6 compatibility in my Digiti post above.



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reply to NormanS

quote:
The year is irrelevant. And 5Mb/s is an acceptable alternative to surrendering my first born son AND left nut for "blazing fast" cable Internet.
Actually its completely relevant. I’m an electronics geek and live for technology. I had 5Mb broadband back in 2005, if I still was at the speed I’d be appalled. As time goes by, things get bigger, faster, more stable and reliable, and I enjoy keeping up with the latest advancements in technology.

quote:
You are using them all at the same time?
I’d say at most 5-7 devices are using network resources on any given Sunday during football and the race. Right now two computers are in use, the Xbox is downloading updates, the DirecTV DVR is downloading Boardwalk Empire on HBO On Demand and I’m streaming Sirius XM from my tablet to the Jambox.

The faster downstream/upstream speeds are nice, especially when I was on vacation a few months ago. I used the backdoor way to stream TWC TV without having to be directly on your home network. Using Team Viewer to remote desktop into connect to my home computer and stream the TWC TV in the browser while I was in Ohio. Hooked my laptop up to the hotel TV via HDMI and it was just like I was at home. Between the nice wideband connection at home and being in a decent Sprint 4G area I was all set.
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Slingbox is better btw.

Hob



fartness
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reply to Digiti

I can get a 6141 for $79.99 on Amazon, is this a good deal?

I have EL 10/1 for ~$42 so hopefully the price stays the same and they don't charge me for a modem.


Dampier
Phillip M Dampier

join:2003-03-23
Rochester, NY

said by fartness:

I can get a 6141 for $79.99 on Amazon, is this a good deal?

I have EL 10/1 for ~$42 so hopefully the price stays the same and they don't charge me for a modem.

Yes, buy it immediately. I paid $100. Just make sure it is not the 6121, which was running around that $80 price.
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Dampier
Phillip M Dampier

join:2003-03-23
Rochester, NY
reply to Pervis

said by Pervis:

Well, I just got the postcard (TWC-NC) and it says that the internet service price will be reduced by a corresponding $3.95 so it's a wash. Still, I'd rather own my own equipment. What is the group consensus for the best one to buy?

Oh, I currently have standard Road Runner service with a Motorola SURFboard SB5101 modem.

I believe NC TWC systems do their annual rate hikes in November. Don't be surprised if the rate hike next month erases that reduction.

TWC plans ongoing rate increases for broadband "because we can."
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ArgMeMatey

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reply to Dampier

said by Dampier:

Just make sure it is not the 6121, which was running around that $80 price.

I just searched Amazon.com for "SB6141".
The first hit is the SB6141 at $130.
The second is the SB6121 at $80.
Then it's the SB6580 at $135.

No 6141s on Amazon at the $80 price.
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dcurrey
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reply to Dampier

$80 is cheap for a SB6141 I would double check that. Not seeing it myself.

$80 is about right for the 121s. See a lot of those being sold locally for around $70 to $80. Strange that they are not on the approved list for here.