 Jack_in_VAPremium
join:2007-11-26
Mathews, VA
kudos:1 | reply to Anonuser
Re: New Nest Thermostat- 2 stage I am also a mechanical person but I don't have a need to change my thermostat from the bed.
72 degrees winter
75 degrees summer
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Jack_in_VAPremium
join:2007-11-26
Mathews, VA
kudos:1 | reply to Dodge
Dodge: +1 |
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 mattmagPremium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-04-09
NW Illinois
kudos:3 | reply to pende_tim
I can already see the next big hacking craze gone wild.
War-driving to find open Wi-Fi Nests and then programming them to go to full-blast heat in the summertime...
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Jack_in_VAPremium
join:2007-11-26
Mathews, VA
kudos:1 | said by mattmag:I can already see the next big hacking craze gone wild.
War-driving to find open Wi-Fi Nests and then programming them to go to full-blast heat in the summertime...
I think it's a UN conspiracy. Instead of the device being outside in the "smart meter" they can get it inside hidden in a thermostat where it will be way more effective in gathering data on the inhabitants. 
Just think web connected 24/7. |
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 bobrkYou kids get offa my lawnPremium
join:2000-02-02
San Jose, CA
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said by Dodge:said by itguy05:What premium is that? Apple laptops and desktops cost roughly the same as a similarly spec'ed Wintel machine.
Not even close. And calling it Wintel is kind of stupid at this stage considering Macs are Intel based now, does that make the Mintels? MacTels. |
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said by Dodge:Not even close. And calling it Wintel is kind of stupid at this stage considering Macs are Intel based now, does that make the Mintels? Yes, close. Hint - Look at Dell, HP, Lenovo, etc's BUSINESS CLASS lines, not the consumer stuff.
And It's a label for a Windows/Intel machine. Since Linux can also run on Intel and now that Win 8 is due out for ARM there needs to be a distinction.
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This stopped being true since Win XP came out.
Not true. XP is bad from a security, performance, and reliability standpoint.
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Do you really need a list of features that more expensive cars have that the Versa doesn't that are functionally different and not just a shiny toy things?
Like what? IIRC that Versa has 4 wheels, an engine, loads of airbags, Cd player, A/C, ABS, gets decent gas mileage and will get you and 3 friends from point A to B. So why buy anything but the cheapest car you can get?
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What I can't stand (and the only reason why I responded to every point in your post), is when the discussion starts with a thermostat in a HOME IMPROVEMENT forum, and all of a sudden it's the "Wintel sucks and android with it" post. Was that really necessary?
I didn't start with the "Apple People" bashing. I too could care less. It is interesting that technology brings out these sort of emotions when it's one of the few things people are so proud of how cheap they can be. I'd bet none of the people bashing the Nest, Apple, or Bentley crowds own the Nissan Versa which is the cheapest car in America and serves the same purpose and has many of the same features as whatever much more expensive car does.
Back to the topic, I'm not going to reply any more as to not further derail this conversation. |
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Jack_in_VAPremium
join:2007-11-26
Mathews, VA
kudos:1 | A cheap programmable thermostat like a Honeywell will do exactly what is needed so why buy anything but the cheapest thermostat you can get? |
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| said by Jack_in_VA:A cheap programmable thermostat like a Honeywell will do exactly what is needed so why buy anything but the cheapest thermostat you can get? Same reason not everyone drives the cheapest car in America. They want different things. |
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said by Anonuser: I like the ability to control the thermostat without even needing to get out of bed. just reach over, tap the iphone screen, and heat shuts off, or turns on, or circulating fan only, or ac etc....
I like the ability to control mine without doing anything. It turns off at 8AM during the week and goes on slight setback at 9AM during weekend. When I come home at 6PM it's nice and warm. No tapping required. |
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said by Jack_in_VA:said by nunya:That thermostat nearly costs as much as my furnace. I can't believe they are still around. It reminds me of an old saying among con men: "There's a mark born every minute, and one to trim 'em and one to knock 'em".
$250 for a thermostat. It has to be the best thing since sliced bread. Well, compared to leaving your thermostat at 75 all year long I'm sure it would pay for itself. |
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Jack_in_VAPremium
join:2007-11-26
Mathews, VA
kudos:1 | Hey I have a 18 SEER Heat Pump. My last bill was for 800 kWh. You can burn up in your mega homes but I'm going to be cool and comfortable in mine. It's my choice and really none of your business.
Right now 82 outside 75 inside.  |
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robbinPremium,MVM
join:2000-09-21
Leander, TX
kudos:1 | Seems like that should work both ways. Some users believe there is value in the Nest. Yet instead of discussing the technical merits of the Nest you seem to be trying to make the case that what works best for you is what is best for all. From what you have posted, you have no need for any kind of programmable thermostat as you only have two settings in your house, summer and winter. Nothing wrong with that but perhaps others prefer to live differently. |
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Jack_in_VAPremium
join:2007-11-26
Mathews, VA
kudos:1 | said by robbin:Seems like that should work both ways. Some users believe there is value in the Nest. Yet instead of discussing the technical merits of the Nest you seem to be trying to make the case that what works best for you is what is best for all. From what you have posted, you have no need for any kind of programmable thermostat as you only have two settings in your house, summer and winter. Nothing wrong with that but perhaps others prefer to live differently.
I tend to agree robbin but I'm just answering the posts touting the "benefits" of this new high dollar electronic toy (IMO and my word). You have to acknowledge that part of the reason for many of the posts is touting the wow factor. I still can't understand someone in bed using changing the thermostat as a normal action. The average dude is not going to be doing this.(again IMO) (I am allowed an opinion I presume)
As for value? I don't think it does that much more or any better than many other higher end products on the market that sell for much less. (again my opinion)
But point taken. I'll just read on the sideline and when you think I can post again on this topic let me know. |
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robbinPremium,MVM
join:2000-09-21
Leander, TX
kudos:1 | said by Jack_in_VA:I still can't understand someone in bed using changing the thermostat as a normal action. The average dude is not going to be doing this.
I can definitely think of times when it would be nice to do so. I still work up a sweat in bed on regular occasions! |
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Jack_in_VAPremium
join:2007-11-26
Mathews, VA
kudos:1 | said by robbin:said by Jack_in_VA:I still can't understand someone in bed using changing the thermostat as a normal action. The average dude is not going to be doing this.
I can definitely think of times when it would be nice to do so. I still work up a sweat in bed on regular occasions! So did my wife when she was going through the "change". |
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DodgePremium
join:2002-11-27 | reply to itguy05
said by itguy05:Yes, close. Hint - Look at Dell, HP, Lenovo, etc's BUSINESS CLASS lines, not the consumer stuff.
Macs are not business machines. Keeping them integrated in an office environment is a GIANT pain in the ass, so comparing them to business machines is wrong. Even Apple doesn't want to deal with the business side officially hence the discontinued OSX servers.
said by itguy05:Not true. XP is bad from a security, performance, and reliability standpoint.
IS bad, keyword IS, not was when it came out. OSX 10.4 or whatever the version was at the time was no picnick.
said by itguy05:Like what? IIRC that Versa has 4 wheels, an engine, loads of airbags, Cd player, A/C, ABS, gets decent gas mileage and will get you and 3 friends from point A to B. So why buy anything but the cheapest car you can get?
Seriously? Like try putting a child seat into a Versa, it's doable, but you are going to hate your life afterwards and while you are at it try to figure out where to shove the stroller, because it will never fit into the so called trunk. Like try keeping kids entertained with no enterntainment system when you are going more than 5 miles somewhere. Like dual zone climate control (see how back on topic we are here) because you are dying of heat while other people in the car are just fine. Leather seats are not a luxury for some people, especially for someone who's ever tried getting food stains out of the upholstery or smoke. I can give you more examples if necessary.
said by itguy05:I didn't start with the "Apple People" bashing. ....
Yeah you did.
said by itguy05:Back to the topic, I'm not going to reply any more as to not further derail this conversation.
I love this statement, I belive it translates into "I spewed some random garbage into an internet forum, but since I actually got called out on it, I don't want to play anymore". |
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bobrkYou kids get offa my lawnPremium
join:2000-02-02
San Jose, CA Reviews:
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said by Jack_in_VA:A cheap programmable thermostat like a Honeywell will do exactly what is needed so why buy anything but the cheapest thermostat you can get?
And yet most people don't bother to program their thermostats because it's too hard. That's what this solves.
Obviously when I say "most people," I don't mean anyone in this room. |
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 djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
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I still can't understand someone in bed using changing the thermostat as a normal action. The average dude is not going to be doing this.(again IMO)
With a two story house, it's sometimes more complicated than just setting the thermostat to X degrees and enjoying a consistent temperature. If the cycle stops for a long time, it may heat up upstairs and remain cool downstairs.
I leave an old iPhone sitting next to the bed. It's great to be able to control the thermostat if I wake up and feel hot (or turn the heat on and wait under the warm covers, if it's a cold morning). I can also control the ceiling fan and lights from the same controller. My next project is motorized curtains.
It's not all that far fetched or crazy. The Aria hotel in Vegas has this same sort of home automation stuff in their hotel rooms.
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DodgePremium
join:2002-11-27 | reply to bobrk
said by bobrk:said by Jack_in_VA:A cheap programmable thermostat like a Honeywell will do exactly what is needed so why buy anything but the cheapest thermostat you can get?
And yet most people don't bother to program their thermostats because it's too hard. That's what this solves. Obviously when I say "most people," I don't mean anyone in this room. Programmable thermostats are scary We have a honywell touchscreen thermostat in our office that I had to put a lockbox around because people couldn't figure out how to use it properly. Now we have a list of authorized thermostat users |
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Macs are not business machines. Keeping them integrated in an office environment is a GIANT pain in the ass, so comparing them to business machines is wrong. Even Apple doesn't want to deal with the business side officially hence the discontinued OSX servers.
You do realize there is an OSX Server OS, just not the server hardware. And considering few bought them it made sense to discontinue them.
Maybe for a Windows admin who is used to only MS junk it's hard to integrate Macs but for those of us who know it's about the same as integrating Linux, AIX, or any other UNIX into AD. And another hint, AD is loosely based on LDAP which means you can connect it relatively easily.
When I was a Windows admin, most could not think outside the box or do much with non Microsoft stuff. Shame really as there's a whole better world outside besides Microsoft's software.
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IS bad, keyword IS, not was when it came out. OSX 10.4 or whatever the version was at the time was no picnick.
Having used OSX from 10.2 to today XP is what drove me to OSX. It was better.
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Seriously? Like try putting a child seat into a Versa, it's doable, but you are going to hate your life afterwards and while you are at it try to figure out where to shove the stroller, because it will never fit into the so called trunk. Like try keeping kids entertained with no enterntainment system when you are going more than 5 miles somewhere. Like dual zone climate control (see how back on topic we are here) because you are dying of heat while other people in the car are just fine. Leather seats are not a luxury for some people, especially for someone who's ever tried getting food stains out of the upholstery or smoke. I can give you more examples if necessary.
Seriously? My parents did it in some of the midsize sedans of the 80's just fine. And for fun, my Mom did it in her Mustang 2. I routinely took 7 hour trips with no entertainment center but a book and my imagination in the back of said 80's sedan. (And with Dad puffing away in the front but that's another topic.) Then again my parents were parents and didn't just plop me in front of a TV or whatever and let them be my parents.
None of those things are necessary or needed. About the only time you'd need something bigger is more than 2 kids.
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Yeah you did.
No, actually it was cdru with this:
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You're right about the same market as Apple products, but not for the reason you state. It's in the same market as Apple products because some people have an overwhelming desire to pay a premium for shiny thing that isn't functionally better than cheaper alternatives, but just because it's shiny. A coworker just yesterday saw the new Nest and said he would be willing to pay double for it just because it looks so good.
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I love this statement, I belive it translates into "I spewed some random garbage into an internet forum, but since I actually got called out on it, I don't want to play anymore".
Nope, feel free to PM me and we'll start a topic in General info, computers, cars, whatever. Really don't want to derail this topic any more. |
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