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reply to TheThing

Re: No more good MMORPGs coming out?

Guardian has a maximum of 18 skills available to them, and this is counting if you don't take any passives, include auto attack and the 45s cds you start with.

Wooo.
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reply to TheThing
The problem, at least to me, isn't that the skills don't exist, it's that the large majority of them are underwhelming. On my Ranger, I feel like I'm spending 90% or more of the time auto-attacking. Sure, I have a couple of cooldowns to use if I feel like it, and I can swap weapons and use a few more in a really long fight, but most of the time then I'm standing around waiting for them to be usable again while my auto-attack does most of the damage. There also doesn't seem to be any real rotation or timing to using the skills, and very few have any synergy with each other (combo fields combo with my auto-attack, so once the combo field is down, whether my own or someone elses, I don't need to do anything to make use of them for example, I just keep auto-attacking), so it feels like hitting buttons for the sake of hitting buttons a lot of the time.

In other games, you get the skills as you go along, but those skills usually genuinely make your character feel stronger. In GW2, nothing I've gotten outside of the weapon skills themselves has really made me feel like I could tackle more challenges, or have more fun with the character. I have an extra button or two to press in the 7-0 skills, but if you took them away, I might kill things a bit slower, but there'd be no major change. Originally, I thought this might just be an issue with the Ranger, but I tried a couple of other classes for a bit and found they felt similarly.

It's unfortunate, as there are some things the game does really well, but I'm rapidly realizing that it's probably not a game that's going to hold my interest.
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reply to TheThing
one of the differences between GW2 and WoW, is that in WoW per what was said above, some skills become irrelevant, and unused replaced by new more powerful skills

in GW2, if you use 2 sets of weapons, none of the skills become irrelevant, you use them all

also, i personally think it's excellent that you aren't using 20 skills, but 8-9, and simplifying the toolkit during combat

this simplification is required since GW2's combat relies on you actually dodging and moving... no spank and tank

reply to Zupe
You should be swapping to a second weapon, and using the skills for that one while the others are on CD. You can even mix weapons combo fields and finishers.

On my Elem, I can start in Fire (using scepter dagger) drop a hellacious combo using 6-7 skills, that will generate (if you're fast) up to 10 stacks of might, all in about 5 seconds. From then, I can swap to almost any other element (I usually go with earth, but air is pretty nice as well) and then start nailing the shit out of baddies with my 10x might pumped up ass...even just the auto-attack does hellacious dmg. Flipping to Air, you drop to 2 instant attacks and then ride the lightning straight to the baddy, use updraft to knock his ass back, then swap back to fire and start the combo over again...this all happens so fast it's awesome....and I didn't even talk about having my golem out, which adds some additional dmg or perks, depending on the element.

Telling ya...it's deeper than you think. All of the standard attack abilities and combos they provide, and then the abilities you get from your traits and skill pts, which add whole other different combos, its very complex. I think you guys need to go back and look and see what builds are out there and WHY ppl are using them, there is definitely synergy between them...the whole system is built on synergy for your skills, and that's not even talking about what you can do with another complementing class that can work off of your combo fields / finishers.
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reply to bionicRod
18 skills I can use in a given fight. 5+5 for swap, 1 healing, 3 utility 1 ultimate. Then your 3 pseudo skills, F1-F3.
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I would enjoy a GW2 and WOW mashup alot.

You should be really diappointed with your ability options in D3 then.

But it's D3

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reply to Ghastlyone
ARPG =/= MMORPG on size, scale

By far, but WoW probably has more game hours logged for me than any other game, even Diablo 2.

its basically that from an mmo I want a level of immersion, depth and flexibility that I got when I started playing wow. I didn't get that feeling in rift, swtor or gw2, nor in cata.

GW2 came oh so close. I loved the questing and classes and the world in general. Vista points were fun!

But for gods sake, give me a reason to want to level! I want cool new spells every few levels!

PvP is boring! Give me a mount to get to the battles! Give me an arena! LET ME DUEL!!??
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reply to Savious
I kinda agree with Saviouss. I have an 80 eng, a 50something necro, and 20something war and guardian. I've played through plenty of pvp/wvw and Orr.

Thing is, pvp is boring. Incredibly boring. WvW can be fun SOMETIMES but it is not consistent at all and most of the time it is just dead either because youre losing too badly or you won and cleared the map. Playing solo in wvw is even worse than usual. Sticking with a zerg is supremely boring to me.

WoW battlegrounds are much better than the current wvw design. Guild wars 1 pvp options are also much much better than the current gw2 pvp options. You had gvg, tournament play, random arenas, battlegrounds, and the ongoing luxon vs kurzick pseudo wvw system.

Im just burned out and bored of gw2 right now. It is easy to level. The events and hearts and map completion is superior to WoW's pve quest system (but vista points get reeeaaaaaallll old and Im sick of them now). Character customization is pretty minimal compared to GW1. GW1's character design system is why I loved it. GW2 replaced it with something that is is between wow and diablo 3.

I really really do not like cooldown-regulated skills. Guild wars 1, which has the traditional cooldown+mana/etc system, was far superior. By putting ONLY a cooldown and not having any other limiting resource, you HAVE to make good skills have absurd cooldowns, which is just lame.

You have no ability to individually select half your skills. You pick a weapon. Big deal. Each weapon is 1 skill set. You shouldnt treat them as 5 unique skills when they are really just 1 set of skills youre forced to take together.

Forcing players to take a heal skill is lame. Giving is only like 3 heals to choose from is worse, especially when there are only small variations usually.

The number of options for elite skills is very low, which is also lame. There are usually only 1 or 2 viable elites for a given class anyway.

So really we get to pick 3 skills. But even when picking those skills, we only get to choose from a pretty small list, a fraction of the size of GW1s list.

In GW1 I felt unique and special when I designed my own character skill combo. I liked secondary classes, attribute point distribution, and the huge, balanced skill list. You don't get any of that in gw2.

Considering this is an MMO, I shouldnt be bored yet, BUT I AM.