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vue666
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Re: Canadian comes home from Guantanamo

Not war on Afghanistan. War in Afghanistan against terrorism. War on Al Qaeda and the Taliban. Khadr sided with them against his country...

I guess you've not heard of "the war on terrorism"????


MaynardKrebs
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said by vue666:

Not war on Afghanistan. War in Afghanistan against terrorism. War on Al Qaeda and the Taliban. Khadr sided with them against his country...

I guess you've not heard of "the war on terrorism"????

War??
There was no declared war.

At best it was a manhunt for binLaden and his mob. That the 'police' work was done by the military under 'shoot to kill' orders is effectively the difference.


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You still have not answered the question. You can't war terrorism as it is an idea. You can war terrorists, countries that support such etc. However to do so and legally call it a war (by a state) requires formal declarations.

Police and security actions notwithstanding. Canada has never declared war on any of the country supporting the terrorists.



vue666
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said by vue666:
His crime is engaging in a terrorist organization Al Qaeda who Canada, USA, Britain and other allies declared war on...

It can also be argued he committed an act of treason by siding with the enemy...

He killed an American soldier. Canada was not at war with the USA...

Can you not read... I said the war was against the Al Qaeda.... You can call it policing action if you wish but for all intents and purposes it was combat, it was war...


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said by vue666:

said by vue666:
His crime is engaging in a terrorist organization Al Qaeda who Canada, USA, Britain and other allies declared war on...

It can also be argued he committed an act of treason by siding with the enemy...

He killed an American soldier. Canada was not at war with the USA...

Can you not read... I said the war was against the Al Qaeda.... You can call it policing action if you wish but for all intents and purposes it was combat, it was war...

War has very specific meaning within the Canadian constitution and must be formally declared by the Government of Canada. Since this did not happen. Your statement that Canada declared war on is false.

Now, if you want to argue that section 46(1)(c) applies based on "whether or not a state of war exists between Canada and the country whose forces they are" go ahead; but realize that Al Qaeda is not a country and even this section may not apply.


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said by mazhurg:

said by vue666:

said by vue666:
His crime is engaging in a terrorist organization Al Qaeda who Canada, USA, Britain and other allies declared war on...

It can also be argued he committed an act of treason by siding with the enemy...

He killed an American soldier. Canada was not at war with the USA...

Can you not read... I said the war was against the Al Qaeda.... You can call it policing action if you wish but for all intents and purposes it was combat, it was war...

War has very specific meaning within the Canadian constitution and must be formally declared by the Government of Canada. Since this did not happen. Your statement that Canada declared war on is false.

Now, if you want to argue that section 46(1)(c) applies based on "whether or not a state of war exists between Canada and the country whose forces they are" go ahead; but realize that Al Qaeda is not a country and even this section may not apply.

Jean Chrétien Approved the participation with UN Action. That is how it works.

Resolution 1386 (2001) of 20 December - authorizes the deployment for six months of an International Security Force For Afghanistan.

»daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/···nElement


Ian
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said by MaynardKrebs:

War??
There was no declared war.

How can one be a "child soldier" in a war that doesn't, apparently, exist? You see the problem with this illogical train of reasoning?
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said by Ian:

How can one be a "child soldier" in a war that doesn't, apparently, exist? You see the problem with this illogical train of reasoning?

I see the problem with your illogical train of reasoning, as to follow it would mean that Canadian Forces members who were in Afghanistan weren't soldiers either.

Perhaps we should use the politically correct (to go along with the nomenclature used in Gitmo) term off "underage illegal enemy combatant".
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Ian
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said by Kardinal:

said by Ian:

How can one be a "child soldier" in a war that doesn't, apparently, exist? You see the problem with this illogical train of reasoning?

I see the problem with your illogical train of reasoning, as to follow it would mean that Canadian Forces members who were in Afghanistan weren't soldiers either.

And I'm not suggesting that the Canadian Forces weren't soldiers..... I thought that was clear.
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