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  BF69Premium
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Camden, TN | Re: Oh well.... said by silbaco: How many false accusations arise in countries with 3 strikes laws? Relatively few. 6 false accusations is extremely unlikely and they don't do much anyway.
In France they have had 3 strikes for 3 years
According to Hadopi's July newsletter, the agency has to date sent one million warning emails to potentially infringing users under the first stage of the regime. 99,000 'strike two' follow-up letters have been sent, while 314 cases have been referred to the courts for possible prosecution. To date, nobody has actually been disconnected under the law.
So about 10% that got a strike 1 letter got a strike 2 letter and one 1 out of 3200 people that got a strike 1 letter ended up getting a strike 3. I'm sure all 314 were totally innocent.  | |
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West Henrietta, NY | Re: Oh well.... ...and the piracy rate only increased by X% during that time frame. SUCCESS! | |
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| | | | Re: Oh well.... Piracy has dropped dramatically in France. But there is no guarantee that hadopi was the reason. | |
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| | | | | Re: Oh well.... said by silbaco:Piracy has dropped dramatically in France. But there is no guarantee that hadopi was the reason.
You mean is now more underground and / or people are much smarter about how they pirate because of the laws. | |
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Camden, TN | said by kontos:...and the piracy rate only increased by X% during that time frame. SUCCESS!
The point you are missing is there wasn't all these millions of innocent people getting kicked off the internet. | |
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| | | And to possibly prosecute 314 people is it worth the millions in dollars that ISPs had to pay to implement these systems? Money that everyone will pay in the form of higher bills?
Yeah, that's what I want to do. Pay higher bills for a content enforcement regime that's accountable to no one that produces no results. | |
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Camden, TN | Re: Oh well.... said by nothing00:And to possibly prosecute 314 people is it worth the millions in dollars that ISPs had to pay to implement these systems? Money that everyone will pay in the form of higher bills?
Yeah, that's what I want to do. Pay higher bills for a content enforcement regime that's accountable to no one that produces no results.
The point is the anti-6 strikes people claim that millions of innocent people will get wrongfully kicked off the internet which in France has NOT happened. So they really need to quit using that as an argument. There are plenty of LEGIT reasons why this is stupid. Making up hyperbole doesn't help. | |
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| | | | | Re: Oh well.... said by BF69:The point is the anti-6 strikes people claim that millions of innocent people will get wrongfully kicked off the internet which in France has NOT happened. So they really need to quit using that as an argument. There are plenty of LEGIT reasons why this is stupid. Making up hyperbole doesn't help.
This is not France.
We already have lawyers testing the water on mass lawsuits against unnamed persons.
A "strike" takes way less effort and oversight than a lawsuit, so why should we think any different? | |
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| | | said by BF69:said by silbaco: How many false accusations arise in countries with 3 strikes laws? Relatively few. 6 false accusations is extremely unlikely and they don't do much anyway.
In France they have had 3 strikes for 3 years According to Hadopi's July newsletter, the agency has to date sent one million warning emails to potentially infringing users under the first stage of the regime. 99,000 'strike two' follow-up letters have been sent, while 314 cases have been referred to the courts for possible prosecution. To date, nobody has actually been disconnected under the law. So about 10% that got a strike 1 letter got a strike 2 letter and one 1 out of 3200 people that got a strike 1 letter ended up getting a strike 3. I'm sure all 314 were totally innocent. The first person to go to court was last month, and he did receive a fine. It's even more funny that he didn't commit any of the accused acts (although it was his internet connection).
»arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012···t-do-it/
While I agree that the vast majority of the IP addresses had copyright infringing, I don't think it's the vast marjority of account holders (considering how many children/juveniles participate). Since there hasn't been a defenitive court ruling that IP address = individual, I'm not sure we could say the majority of people who get letters are guilty. | |
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Camden, TN | Re: Oh well.... said by cyrone :The first person to go to court was last month, and he did receive a fine. It's even more funny that he didn't commit any of the accused acts (although it was his internet connection). if I let me son sell drugs out of MY house yes I can get in trouble even though I'm not actually selling any drugs. | |
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