 davePremium,MVM join:2000-05-04 not in ohio kudos:8 | Association of Parasites upset about 'do-not-track' default But of course their only concern is the quality of the 'online experience'.
As ANAs Board of Directors, we write to renew the request of the Association of National Advertisers (ANA) that Microsoft reverse its position regarding the so-called do-not-track default setting for the forthcoming Internet Explorer 10 browser. We believe that if Microsoft moves forward with this default setting, it will undercut the effectiveness of our members advertising and, as a result, drastically damage the online experience by reducing the Internet content and offerings that such advertising supports. This result will harm consumers, hurt competition, and undermine American innovation and leadership in the Internet economy. »www.ana.net/content/show/id/anal···ft#_ftn2
By setting the Internet Explorer browser to block data collection, Microsofts action could potentially eliminate the ability to collect web viewing data of up to 43 percent of the browsers used by Americans. Like that's a bad thing? |
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By setting the Internet Explorer browser to block data collection, Microsofts action could potentially eliminate the ability to collect web viewing data of up to 43 percent of the browsers used by Americans. Like that's a bad thing? "43 percent of the browsers used by Americans" is a good thing.
At least, it does not include me - or folk in "the old country"  |
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 StuartMWWho Is John Galt?Premium join:2000-08-06 Galt's Gulch kudos:2 Reviews:
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| reply to dave I wouldn't call the ANA "parasites". They're just an organization, like any other, trying to represent their members.
Years ago when all there was only print media (newspapers. magazines), radio and TV the only feedback advertisers got was by sales. With the advent of the internet they got a lot more info (cookies, clicks etc). Obviously they don't want to give that up.
That said we all have a reasonable expectation of privacy. I use “do-not-track” but my understanding is that it's not worth much. One can use other measures if desired.
To be honest I'm much more concerned with what Bob (the NSA et al) collects, stores and analyzes. -- Don't feed trolls--it only makes them grow! |
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| The feedback that still matters to advertisers is from sales. Analyzing the web traffic is useful in that it will help to tell you if all that web traffic is actually having any positive impact on sales. Then you can decide to pull your ads from Facebook, if you want to. Privacy is probably gone forever, unless you go completely off the grid and live in a cave somewhere. -- It is easier for a camel to put on a bikini than an old man to thread a needle. |
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| reply to dave said by dave:But of course their only concern is the quality of the 'online experience'.
The proposed default setting of Internet Explorer 10 is just one battle in the war to define who owns the browser session, the advertisers or the consumer. |
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1 edit | reply to dave This reminds me of MS baking Flash into IE10 on Win8 RTM, cited: »Microsoft to deliver Flash update to Windows 8 shortly
Ad industry blasts Microsoft over Do Not Track defaults in IE 10 From Ed Bott: »www.zdnet.com/ad-industry-blasts···0005185/
If DNT is enabled by default in IE10, what's holding anyone from opt-ing out ? It would seem to me DNT would | could pose issues many sites that would not allow you to some some or all functions, such as logging in, being ad-ridden.
Edit to add: How Do Not Track could destroy the Internet as you know it quote: If advertisers can convince people to smoke and eat Micky Ds, they can convince them to disable Do Not Track.
quote: So says Christopher Soghoian, a security and privacy researcher at the ACLU who argues that one of the biggest problems advertisers face with Do Not Track is convincing web surfers that they dont need to use it.
For advertisers, behavioral tracking is an effective way to develop a strong profile on web users so they can better target ads. But for privacy groups and web users, its a massive breach in privacy that goes against the most basic tenets of the web. Originally proposed in 2009, Do Not Track is the Do not call of the digital age, a way for users to tell advertising companies that they want to opt out of behavioral tracking. Even Microsoft jumped onboard the of the Do Not Track effort.
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 sivranOpera ex-patPremium join:2003-09-15 Arlington, TX kudos:1 | reply to dave Meanwhile, they're planning to just quietly ignore Do-Not-Track, and track anyway. |
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 siljalineI'm lovin' that double widePremium join:2002-10-12 Montreal, QC kudos:17 | reply to dave And older article from VentureBeat: Do not track could destroy the Internet as we know it. |
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 mysecPremium join:2005-11-29 kudos:4 | reply to dave High Stakes in Internet Tracking »www.technologyreview.com/news/42···racking/
An Amazon ad for a book by science fiction writer Cory Doctorow recently appeared on my computer screen. "What a coincidence!" I thought naively. I'd been reading an opinion item by Doctorow on Internet privacy (to be published this week as part of this month's Business Impact series) and had looked up his past writing. That was all it took for a crowd of ads to start following me.
On the network, it's an IP address or the browser cookies that tell other computers who you are. I'm a bit confused.
I store a permanent cookie on Amazon because I like the suggestions for books/music based on my purchasing, that appear on my page when I log in.
But I've never seen any subsequent advertisements based on that information, appear (or follow me) anywhere else I'm browsing.
So, I'm a bit confused. Since my IP address is dynamic, and I don't accept 3rd-party (tracking) cookies, how can a profile for my computer be built and used for tracking?
Evidently one can't be built, since I haven't experienced what the writer describes (advertisements following me around the web).
Please enlighten me!
thanks,
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 davePremium,MVM join:2000-05-04 not in ohio kudos:8 | said by mysec:how can a profile for my computer be built and used for tracking? I've no idea how the big boys do it, but if I wanted to, here's what I'd try:
1. Take a bunch of whatever relatively fixed data points I can find out about your machine from a web page. (Any ids I can find, disk size, blah blah).
2. Boil 'em down to a signature.
3. Store the signature on a central server somewhere.
4. Now anyone else that uses dave's fingerprint service can identify you. |
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 mysecPremium join:2005-11-29 kudos:4 | That would be quite an impressive feat!
However, all the articles I've read stress the cookie. Here's an interesting one: the "policital cookie":
Campaigns to Track Voters with "Political Cookies" »www.technologyreview.com/news/42···cookies/
Using so-called browser cookies, advertisers can track a given Web surfers' habits and serve them relevant ads.
This election year, a related type of targeted ads-one relying on "political cookies"-is coming into widespread use.
With the help of advertising exchanges and media partners, a political campaign can use cookies to serve specific ads
Most major campaigns this year will use cookie-based political advertising, says John Phillips, CEO of Aristotle International, which sells voter records combined with information like people's hobbies and income brackets.
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 Name GamePremium join:2002-07-07 North Myrtle Beach, SC kudos:7 | reply to mysec
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 mysecPremium join:2005-11-29 kudos:4 | said by Name Game:Do you consider that permanent cookie to be a... I've always thought that a Permanent or Persistent cookie was one that I authorized to be stored. I have six.
EDIT: I'm not going to refer to my browser settings, since I've been taken to task for referencing an antiquated version of the browser I use.
The "alternative," next generation persistent cookies mentioned in the article, such Flash, present a real problem in being able to control whether or not you want them stored.
That "problem" is taken care of on my system since I use Deep Freeze, whereby anything written to a frozen partition is wiped on reboot, so nothing of that nature is stored.
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 Name GamePremium join:2002-07-07 North Myrtle Beach, SC kudos:7 | I handle them similar to what you do then..and I never worried about any of them..antiquated is good when you publish the code date..and where they were manufactured.  |
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 mysecPremium join:2005-11-29 kudos:4 | said by Name Game:..antiquated is good when you publish the code date..and where they were manufactured.  Sorry, I don't know what you are referring to...
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 Name GamePremium join:2002-07-07 North Myrtle Beach, SC kudos:7 | Right ..well this is the pdf of the study..your persistent type cookie is discussed ..along with security risks in section 3. Privacy Concerns section 4.
»www.enisa.europa.eu/activities/i···cookies/ |
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 Name GamePremium join:2002-07-07 North Myrtle Beach, SC kudos:7 | reply to mysec
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 Dude111An Awesome DudePremium join:2003-08-04 USA kudos:11 | reply to dave
No thats a GOOD thing bud! |
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 mysecPremium join:2005-11-29 kudos:4 | reply to Name Game
Re: Association of Parasites upset about 'do-not-track' default said by Name Game:http://www.enisa.europa.eu/activities/identity-and-trust/library/pp/cookies/ Great article for explaining these things.
This stood out to me:
Web tracking is mainly performed by monitoring IP addresses, and using techniques such as cookies, or the more powerful supercookies
Some sites, such as those belonging to advertising companies, use third-party cookies to track a user across multiple sites. In particular, an advertising company can track a user across all pages where it has placed advertising images or web bugs. Knowledge of the pages visited by a user allows the advertising company to target advertising at the users presumed preferences.
Another study shows that not only are these third-parties increasing their tracking of users, but that they can now link these traces with identities and personal information via online social networks [19]. In [20], a behavioural targeting study was performed on an e-commerce site for a clothing line. The results for the analysed case showed that the web site contained a total of nine tracking tags that linked to eight third-party companies.
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 Name GamePremium join:2002-07-07 North Myrtle Beach, SC kudos:7 3 edits | reply to dave Ad industry says IE10's Do-Not-Track implemenation hurts web
»www.techspot.com/news/50392-ad-i···web.html
Users can test whether or not their DNT is enabled by visiting Microsoft's DNT test page. »ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/brows···ult.html
Now..that test page states it is not offered for Google Chrome..but i have news for them..I have been using do not track for a while now in Chrome. »chrome.google.com/webstore/detai···baefekcd
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Google (GOOG) on Thursday added support for a Do Not Track privacy option in the latest developer build of its Chrome Web browser, All Things D reported. When Do Not Track is enabled it blocks tracking cookies used by advertisers for targeting purposes. The Internet giant has offered an extension in its Chrome Web Store since 2011 that acted in a similar manner, however unlike its competitors Firefox, Internet Explorer and Safari the option was not built directly into the browser. A Google spokesperson confirmed that the Do Not Track option is expected be available in a stable version of Chrome by the end of the year. »www.bgr.com/2012/09/14/google-ch···-option/
-- Gladiator Security Forum »www.gladiator-antivirus.com/
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