| DTV illegal in Canada? What is the legal justification? I don't understand the criminality of DTV in Canada. What is supreme court's justification on this?
It can't simply be "it is a criminal offense because it invades Canadian culture" . Or could it?
There are many illogical laws but this one tops it. |
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| What Canadian Culture? we import American Culture in bulk |
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DTV, or Digital TV is legal in Canada. As in, the kind that comes in with a good old fashioned antenna, or a new fashioned version of the exact same thing just looking different.
BUD type Satellite (Big Ugly Dish) is legal and many still use it. There are lots of open and legal feeds on the old CBand.
Dish and other Small Form Satellite providers are not legal in Canada unless you get Shaw, Telus of BellTV.
However, this forum isn't for discussing the grey market dish providers from the US. |
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I agree. There must be some justification to classify it in the criminal code, right?
If one pays for it, how can you say it is illegal? |
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| said by johnkim:I agree. There must be some justification to classify it in the criminal code, right?
If one pays for it, how can you say it is illegal?
You're denying the Canadian 'rights' holder the opportunity to rip you off. Care for some lube now? |
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My topic is not meant to for a discussion of how to acquire DTV. Instead, it is meant to discuss the legal justification for classifying it under the criminal code.
theft is a crime; assault is a crime; fraud is a crime; using a foreign TV channel is also a crime. However, the latter does not fit the bill of what our society see as "illegal".
Based on your assertion, we are not allowed to question the legitimacy of a law because the item described it is "illegal" ? |
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said by johnkim:I agree. There must be some justification to classify it in the criminal code, right?
If one pays for it, how can you say it is illegal?
Paying for something doesn't make it legal.
For the rationale behind what you ask about,
»www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/smt-gst.ns···562.html
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Johnkim: At least call it by the correct name
DTV is Digital TV. It is over the air, free as in beer, drawn in my a good old fashioned antenna, in 1080p hi definition glory TV
What you are referring to is Digital Satellite Television
Not the same thing, use the correct terminology. |
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Theft of telecommunications is a criminal code matter. Using an illegal dish is allowing you to view material which others have paid money for to distribute in Canada. Your action is infringing on their business model. You are stealing from them.
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You are legaly entitled demodulate anything unencrypted and listen/watch but not to transmit on licensed frequencys or record what you hear.
If you start to try decrypt things then you are breaking the law. (such as p25 radio with des encryption like the police use, pirate satellite service, your neighbors wifi,gsm ect). |
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Do you mean Direct TV? The American Satellite provider? |
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I'm going to assume we're talking about Satelite TV here, specifically Dish and Direct.
First off, spectrum/frequencies is licensed by the Federal government, so the carrier pays the government for a license to broadcast on those frequencies, or if you prefer carry business on those frequencies.
Secondly, there's the matter of rights; which is that Canadian carriers have paid for exclusive rights to broadcast these shows on these same frequencies they've paid to do business on.
That's the logic behind it, even if I don't agree with it.
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| said by El Quintron:Secondly, there's the matter of rights; which is that Canadian carriers have paid for exclusive rights to broadcast these shows on these same frequencies they've paid to do business on.
Yup its a weird system we have up here. Mostly because we freely have access to US channels (through OTA or cable subscriptions). Somehow the TV climate in Canada evolved to having several major Canadian networks who primarily regurgitate content from the major US networks and dump their commercials overtop and make is pay for it.
The laws are in place to protect that business model  It's weird because if we didn't have the Canadian channels then we could watch the same content without simsubs and have cheaper cable bills. Win-Win. |
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If a signal can be received over the air in a particular area, SimSub rules shouldn't apply. Unfortunately, the CRTC doesn't see it that way.
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said by zod5000:The laws are in place to protect that business model It's weird because if we didn't have the Canadian channels then we could watch the same content without simsubs and have cheaper cable bills. Win-Win.
Sim-subs, yes. Cheaper, not too likely. Canadian broadcast networks are still free to carry for the cable/satellite companies, US networks aren't. |
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Toronto, ON | said by bt:said by zod5000:The laws are in place to protect that business model It's weird because if we didn't have the Canadian channels then we could watch the same content without simsubs and have cheaper cable bills. Win-Win.
Sim-subs, yes. Cheaper, not too likely. Canadian broadcast networks are still free to carry for the cable/satellite companies, US networks aren't. I don't see how thats even relevant when the so-called "Canadian broadcast networks" ARE the BDU's.
Its like a bad copyright law that was lobbied for entirely on behalf of big business. You're just protecting Bell/Rogers/etc by making out of country subscription TV illegal. |
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So anyone want to provide an answer to the op question. Is it illegal to subscribe to and pay for Direct TV or Dishnetwork in Canada. Who cares about if it takes money away from Bell or some other cable provider. The OP is looking for an actual criminal code offence with relation to paying for American satellite in Canada. |
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Toronto, ON | said by scorpido:So anyone want to provide an answer to the op question. Is it illegal to subscribe to and pay for Direct TV or Dishnetwork in Canada. Who cares about if it takes money away from Bell or some other cable provider. The OP is looking for an actual criminal code offence with relation to paying for American satellite in Canada.
Its illegal, but I doubt anyone is going to come looking for your DirecTV dish anytime soon. It was moreso the grey market reseller business here in Canada that got nailed.
At one point you could call somebody up and have DirecTV or Dish installed for you, and the US address, billing, etc all taken care of for you. |
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said by scorpido:So anyone want to provide an answer to the op question. Is it illegal to subscribe to and pay for Direct TV or Dishnetwork in Canada. Who cares about if it takes money away from Bell or some other cable provider. The OP is looking for an actual criminal code offence with relation to paying for American satellite in Canada.
You cannot subscribe to an American television service with a Canadian address and or credit card. |
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| There are a million ways to still subscribe. If you have family in the states or just buy a post office box. |
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