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Re: DTV illegal in Canada? What is the legal justification? said by Spike:said by bt:Sim-subs, yes. Cheaper, not too likely. Canadian broadcast networks are still free to carry for the cable/satellite companies, US networks aren't.
I don't see how thats even relevant when the so-called "Canadian broadcast networks" ARE the BDU's. Separate arms of the same parent company. It's all shuffling money around on paper... until it's used as a justification to bill the customer for it. |
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said by scorpido:Is it illegal to subscribe to and pay for Direct TV or Dishnetwork in Canada.
Yes, it is illegal.
The Radiocommunication Act Section 9(1)(c): "No person shall…decode an encrypted subscription programming signal or encrypted network feed otherwise than under and in accordance with an authorization from the lawful distributor of the signal or feed"
The Supreme Court determined (in 2002, this isn't recent) that US Satellite TV providers are not "lawful distributors" in Canada under the act, therefore there is no one who can actually authorize you to decode a US sourced satellite signal in Canada. |
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said by scorpido:There are a million ways to still subscribe. If you have family in the states or just buy a post office box.
Illegally leaching off a family members account is illegal.
If your not an American living in america you cannot legaly have american tv service. |
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| said by OHSrob:If your not an American living in america you cannot legaly have american tv service.
Pretty sure you can be any nationality, as long as you're living there... |
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said by OHSrob:Illegally leaching off a family members account is illegal.
Leaching is probably a violation of their ToS but not illegal per Se, there are also technical obstacles to getting service from Canada.
said by OHSrob:If your not an American living in America you cannot legally have American tv service.
All broadcasts in Canada have to be approved/mandated by the CRTC, so the obstacle here is Canadian law, irrespective of your citizenship status.
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Yes but we all know that the CRTC does little to actually make sure the consumer gets what they want so why should we abide by laws that do not benefit the consumer but benefit Corporations such as Bell over consumers.
I see little value in Canadian TV services |
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agreed, I am Canadian and spend 2 months a year in the U.S.
I signed up no problem (had to pay a deposit sans-ssn), and even used autopay with my Canadian CC ..(called RBC and added my US address as a secondary long ago) |
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what if your an american who is visiting family and you bring over your own equipment (legally subscribed of course) and use it at a canadian address for like 1 month? What would that be considered as? |
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ZZink
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Why Dish? The Interwebz has everything... faster... better... unless you're on rebelus and gotta watch your bandwidth. |
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I was born in the United States. This law denies me my cultural heritage. Think it will fly? |
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| said by WhaleOilBee:I was born in the United States. This law denies me my cultural heritage. Think it will fly?
...You're free to go back to the US  . That's what will fly....
It sucks...but this is a really really OLD topic....It was good times in the 90s though....remember when IPGs were the BIG THING?....I remember being able to cycle through my friends DirecTV sub and seeing what is on....that was pretty amazing....now its like bleh...
As others have said, there are ways around it...you have to put in the time and homework, and I'm pretty sure nobody's going to call you out on it...
They're not licensed as BDUs in Canada so therefore services cannot be offered....you have to be a BDU to offer service....
To the poster who said Cable co's pay the US networks for service, that's completely false...
Cable co X (usually Shaw through what they used to call Cancom) pulls in that signal OTA from somewhere near the US border, uplinks it to their satellite and then downlinks it back to their Cable BDU's, or downlinks it to Shaw's centre in either Mississauga or Calgary I think, and then uplinks that US station back up to F1 or F2R or whatever bird is up there these days....and then your dish is pointed at it and pulls the signal back down....
Very mundane process, but that's how your OTA signal goes, Shaw doesn't directly pay the US broadcaster for this...simply the equipment required to do all this uplink/downlink and conversion... |
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said by OHSrob:said by scorpido:There are a million ways to still subscribe. If you have family in the states or just buy a post office box.
Illegally leaching off a family members account is illegal. If your not an American living in america you cannot legaly have american tv service. Thread from CanChat: »Satellite question |
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said by eeeaddict:what if your an american who is visiting family and you bring over your own equipment (legally subscribed of course) and use it at a canadian address for like 1 month? What would that be considered as?
Illegal. I'd be absolutely shocked if anyone tried to pursue the matter, but technically someone could.
Also likely violating the TOS for using it at an address other than the one listed on the subscription, but that's a completely different issue. |
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| said by bt:said by eeeaddict:what if your an american who is visiting family and you bring over your own equipment (legally subscribed of course) and use it at a canadian address for like 1 month? What would that be considered as?
Illegal. I'd be absolutely shocked if anyone tried to pursue the matter, but technically someone could. Also likely violating the TOS for using it at an address other than the one listed on the subscription, but that's a completely different issue. So you are an American and have sat tv on your boat and you sail into Canada and dock. Somebody better call the Mounties quick to seize your gear cuz you're watching some American channel because, after all, the RCMP is just Robellus's private enforcers.
It's like the whole Canadians are crossing the border to take cheaper flights thing. If Air Canada gets their way it would be illegal for Canadians to take cheap US flights (like Robellus got on sat tv). Instead, the talk in the newspapers now is about finding a way to lower costs to Canadians. But that'll NEVER come to sat tv service discussions in Canada. |
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1 edit | said by MaynardKrebs:So you are an American and have sat tv on your boat and you sail into Canada and dock. Somebody better call the Mounties quick to seize your gear cuz you're watching some American channel because, after all, the RCMP is just Robellus's private enforcers.
Miss the part about nobody bothering to pursue it? Or just willingly ignoring it in the name of hysterics and hyperbole?
In other words, that won't happen. The police have more important things to deal with. Call 911 with something like that and you'd be more likely to get a fine for misuse of 911 services than they would be to send someone out. Call the non-emergency lines would, in the best case, result in a polite dismissal of your "concerns". Suggesting otherwise is just so over the top stupid it's incredible. |
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My understanding is that the box updates either via internet or phone line, how are you getting around that?
Or are they still mailing cards to your US address?
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| said by El Quintron:My understanding is that the box updates either via internet or phone line, how are you getting around that?
$1.50/month voip.ms US number call forwarded to a Canadian POTS line perhaps? |
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| said by MaynardKrebs:$1.50/month voip.ms US number call forwarded to a Canadian POTS line perhaps?
I have a US address so It'd be super easy for me to do this, if that's all it takes.
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