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Ian
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Re: Canadian comes home from Guantanamo

said by booj:

The info you said we didn't have insight into is there. Attack the source if that's your prerogative.

Baloney. It was an opinion piece about the credentials of "a" government witness. Not direct evidence into Khadr's alleged torture or coercion.

That is a qualitative difference apparent to most.
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booj

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Baloney? Funny how people here who've followed his case all believe it was a show trial, but you gleefully fall back on the position that since we can't know the truth for sure (it's classified) we can't connect the dots for ourselves. Your willful ignorance isn't convincing anyone.


Ian
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said by booj:

Baloney? Funny how people here who've followed his case all believe it was a show trial, but you gleefully fall back on the position that since we can't know the truth for sure (it's classified) we can't connect the dots for ourselves. Your willful ignorance isn't convincing anyone.

Uh huh. I'd retort with a similar childish insult of my own....but not really my thing.... I wasn't there. Nor were you. Nor was the person quoted on the blog. That's not "willful", it just happens to be the case. I'll grant that it's possible that Khadr was tortured. Claiming such is straight out of the playbook of every detained terrorist in the history of.....terrorism. And no doubt some are.

What you might think of as "connecting the dots" is really just reading what you want to read, and making whatever connections you want to, based on your own bias and pre-conceived notions. And sorry to burst your bubble, but that's exactly as useful as it sounds like it is.
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Anav
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Well stated. ARAR was giving 10 million by the govt vue. Dont you think they know the truth and yet they would rather just pay hush money. The fact is you cannot stomach that this guy is as legitimate a Canadian as you are, probably better by what I hear spewing out of your mouth and eloquent empathy he speaks. As for the Khadr as DKS said, child soldier at worst, scapegoat tortured detainee on the other end of the spectrum. Time for healing if its possible.
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vue666
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said by Anav:

Well stated. ARAR was giving 10 million by the govt vue. Dont you think they know the truth and yet they would rather just pay hush money. The fact is you cannot stomach that this guy is as legitimate a Canadian as you are, probably better by what I hear spewing out of your mouth and eloquent empathy he speaks. As for the Khadr as DKS said, child soldier at worst, scapegoat tortured detainee on the other end of the spectrum. Time for healing if its possible.

This thread is not about Maher Arar. It's about Omar Khadr... IF you wish to discuss the Maher Arar case, then kindly start a new thread...


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said by Anav:

Time for healing if its possible.

Probably only could happen if they keep him away from his family. Let's not forget this is the family that brainwashed him and turned him over. His mother, at least one time in an interview, has stated that she would be happy if her sons died martyrs. Won't be much healing if he goes home to them.

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said by vue666:

said by Anav:

Well stated. ARAR was giving 10 million by the govt vue. Dont you think they know the truth and yet they would rather just pay hush money. The fact is you cannot stomach that this guy is as legitimate a Canadian as you are, probably better by what I hear spewing out of your mouth and eloquent empathy he speaks. As for the Khadr as DKS said, child soldier at worst, scapegoat tortured detainee on the other end of the spectrum. Time for healing if its possible.

This thread is not about Maher Arar. It's about Omar Khadr... IF you wish to discuss the Maher Arar case, then kindly start a new thread...

Congratulations on being appointed a mod. Arar is relevant.


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said by NCRGuy:

said by vue666:

said by Anav:

Well stated. ARAR was giving 10 million by the govt vue. Dont you think they know the truth and yet they would rather just pay hush money. The fact is you cannot stomach that this guy is as legitimate a Canadian as you are, probably better by what I hear spewing out of your mouth and eloquent empathy he speaks. As for the Khadr as DKS said, child soldier at worst, scapegoat tortured detainee on the other end of the spectrum. Time for healing if its possible.

This thread is not about Maher Arar. It's about Omar Khadr... IF you wish to discuss the Maher Arar case, then kindly start a new thread...

Congratulations on being appointed a mod. Arar is relevant.

Hey take it easy on Vue, hes having problems connecting the dots these days. I cannot understand the seemingly blind hatred and passion against Khadr. What did he ever do to Canada or Canadians (not that justifies any crime), whereas where is that same hatred and passion for the Quebec mob that have disappeared many people and ripping off Canadians for decades. It just seems really unbalanced. Oh wait, the US has proof while the mob have been defamed and setup..(framed).
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said by vue666:

This thread is not about Maher Arar. It's about Omar Khadr... IF you wish to discuss the Maher Arar case, then kindly start a new thread...

Ahem......it's not about Korea, charging Khadr's mother or a non-existant charge of treason (which you have mentioned at least 4 times), so pointing your finger at others and yelling "OFF TOPIC!!" is amusing.

said by Anav:

Hey take it easy on Vue, hes having problems connecting the dots these days.

Hey, it's impressive that an attempt to connect the dots is being made, given that it's a Rorschach test that is being administered.

[edit = fixed spelling of proper name]
[2nd edit = I swear I wasn't drinking last night....just can't spell]
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I believe thats Rorschach but my German is rusty. Mein namma ist Llama!!

(edit, try another edit there Kardinal, not rorscharch lol)


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Just because Arar was awarded $10 million does not mean Khadr will be award any compensation. The last I heard he was going to sue the Federal Government...

And belonging to a terrorist organization like Al Qaeda and engaging in terrorists activities is a crime...


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In Canada, kidnapping, torture and unlawful detainment for years at a time are crimes. Then again, I think that multiple tasering a defenceless person in an airport and kneeling on their windpipe until a person is dead is also a crime. Well maybe we dont follow the geneva convention anymore but someone elses Corrupted constitution. In any case I will concur that there are many shades of grey here.
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Ian
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said by Anav:

In Canada, kidnapping, torture and unlawful detainment for years at a time are crimes.

OK. Which Canadian do you want to see charged for doing so?


Anav
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said by Ian:

said by Anav:

In Canada, kidnapping, torture and unlawful detainment for years at a time are crimes.

OK. Which Canadian do you want to see charged for doing so?

If I knew any and if I stated their names I fear I would end up in a Turkish refugee camp half dead LOL. I was simply pointing out that some people think that Khadr was possibly not guilty but neither here nor there, how he has been treated is definitely criminal.
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vue666
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said by Kardinal:

said by vue666:

This thread is not about Maher Arar. It's about Omar Khadr... IF you wish to discuss the Maher Arar case, then kindly start a new thread...

Ahem......it's not about Korea, charging Khadr's mother or a non-existant charge of treason (which you have mentioned at least 4 times), so pointing your finger at others and yelling "OFF TOPIC!!" is amusing.

said by Anav:

Hey take it easy on Vue, hes having problems connecting the dots these days.

Hey, it's impressive that an attempt to connect the dots is being made, given that it's a Rorscharch test that is being administered.

[edit = fixed spelling of proper name]

You and others allege Khadr was tortured/waterboarded while being held in Guantanamo Bay detention camp. Yet where is your evidence that crime was commited? Who was charged with torturing Khadr?

You and others claim Omar's confession of guilt was obtained through coercion. Where is your proof?

YET you demand I can not make a similar charge of treason against him or his family... I may have claimed treason 4 times BUT how many times has the use of torture on Khadr been mentioned?

Now post your evidence of torture and not someone's opinion torture may have been used...

Kindly lookup the definition of treason and then tell me the actions of Omar and his Khadr family does not apply...

I call the kettle black...

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said by Anav:

Hey take it easy on Vue, hes having problems connecting the dots these days.

He's suffering the lingering after-effects of Marcia withdrawal
»I hate it... I hate watching CTV News & Marcia's not on.....