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grohgreg
Dunno. Ask The Chief

join:2001-07-05
Dawson Springs, KY
reply to chances14

Re: Lease vs Purchase

said by chances14:

this what i get when i go to gen 4 plans page

I get that too. But when I proceed to "check availability" I get HN9000 plans. And I know that's BS, because I already have been called by an installer for a Gen4 lease installation. But I told them to put it on hold until I can figure out how to get it changed to a Gen4 purchase installation.

//greg//
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HN7000S - 98cm Prodelin/2w "pure" Osiris - ProPlus - G16/1001H - NOC:GTN - NAT 67.142.115.130 - Gateway 66.82.25.10 - DNS 66.82.4.12 and 66.82.4.8 - Firefox 15/MSIE9 - AV/Firewalled by NIS2012


grohgreg
Dunno. Ask The Chief

join:2001-07-05
Dawson Springs, KY
reply to A Tech
said by A Tech:

Assuming you are a new customer.

Therein lies the rub. Hughes records will show my my address as having had unbroken DirecPC/Direcway/HughesNet service since early 2002. But if you know some way to get around that, I'm interested

//greg//
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HN7000S - 98cm Prodelin/2w "pure" Osiris - ProPlus - G16/1001H - NOC:GTN - NAT 67.142.115.130 - Gateway 66.82.25.10 - DNS 66.82.4.12 and 66.82.4.8 - Firefox 15/MSIE9 - AV/Firewalled by NIS2012


grohgreg
Dunno. Ask The Chief

join:2001-07-05
Dawson Springs, KY
reply to compuguybna
said by compuguybna:

which would mean the equipment is $400?

Exactly. Which is what I meant earlier when I said that - rebates considered - it only takes the equivalent of 20 lease payments to actually OWN the stuff. So for all practical purposes, lease payments beyond 24 months are actually only paying for an (expensive) extended warranty.

//greg//
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HN7000S - 98cm Prodelin/2w "pure" Osiris - ProPlus - G16/1001H - NOC:GTN - NAT 67.142.115.130 - Gateway 66.82.25.10 - DNS 66.82.4.12 and 66.82.4.8 - Firefox 15/MSIE9 - AV/Firewalled by NIS2012


Gavin5

join:2012-10-03
canada
reply to grohgreg
I think trying the lease option is better than purchase.


CheapJunk

@direcway.com
reply to grohgreg
We lease this cheap junk from HughesNet. In the past 3 years we have gone though ( 3 ) HN9000 modems.

I'm so glad we are smart!


grohgreg
Dunno. Ask The Chief

join:2001-07-05
Dawson Springs, KY

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reply to Gavin5
said by Gavin5:

I think trying the lease option is better than purchase.

Just so you understand, the Gen4 purchase option was listed at $400 up front. Then there's a $200 mail-in rebate. So purchase price is $200 net. And it's under warranty for the first 24 months. After that, I'm liable for repair/replacement.

Lease on the other hand, is $10/month - forever. Yes, you also get repair/replacement forever - but at what cost? $10 per month for 20 months is $200, which means you've already paid an equivalent to the purchase price - and haven't even reached the end of your 24 month service commitment. Yet you continue to pay $120 per year lease - for as long as you maintain the subscription.

Let's put that in perspective. In the 12+ years that I've owned DirecPC/Direcway/HughesNet, I've spent approximately $500 buying/repairing/replacing hardware. Had I leased that entire period, I'd have paid over $1500.

said by CheapJunk :

We lease this cheap junk from HughesNet. In the past 3 years we have gone though ( 3 ) HN9000 modems.

Sounds like a personal problem. I think I belong to a majority who've had the same modem since it was issued. Pretty sure my HN7000S is going on six years old. And if I need to replace it, there's one on eBay right now for $34. And - oh gee - there's also a HN9000 for $30. And you've spent how much in lease payments so far?

//greg//

C0RR0SIVE

join:2012-06-19
Salvisa, KY
HN9000 aren't so simple to swap out from my understanding.... More of a hassle than HN7000 in the end, especially when dealing with used units.


grohgreg
Dunno. Ask The Chief

join:2001-07-05
Dawson Springs, KY

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said by C0RR0SIVE:

HN9000 aren't so simple to swap out from my understanding.... More of a hassle than HN7000 in the end, especially when dealing with used units.

Yeah, that's why I stuck with the HN7000S. I personally feel that the HN9000 wasn't ready for prime time. From my perspective, it would have been better never to have fielded the HN9000 at all - and jumped from the Ku-band HN7000S straight to the Ka-band Gen4. But Hughes was faced with competition from WB, so they elected to bridge the gap with the HN9000

That said, I've already talked to installers who - almost as one - exclaim how easy the Gen4 is to install (compared to the HN9000). Which is another reason I'm ready to upgrade - once I resolve this lease vs purchase issue that is.

//greg//
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HN7000S - 98cm Prodelin/2w "pure" Osiris - ProPlus - G16/1001H - NOC:GTN - NAT 67.142.115.130 - Gateway 66.82.25.10 - DNS 66.82.4.12 and 66.82.4.8 - Firefox 15/MSIE9 - AV/Firewalled by NIS2012


Aframe
Premium
join:2008-01-30
Uvalde, TX
kudos:1
said by grohgreg:

said by C0RR0SIVE:

HN9000 aren't so simple to swap out from my understanding.... More of a hassle than HN7000 in the end, especially when dealing with used units.

Yeah, that's why I stuck with the HN7000S. I personally feel that the HN9000 wasn't ready for prime time. From my perspective, it would have been better never to have fielded the HN9000 at all - and jumped from the Ku-band HN7000S straight to the Ka-band Gen4. But Hughes was faced with competition from WB, so they elected to bridge the gap with the HN9000

That said, I've already talked to installers who - almost as one - exclaim how easy the Gen4 is to install (compared to the HN9000). Which is another reason I'm ready to upgrade - once I resolve this lease vs purchase issue that is.

//greg//

Being that I have had both the 7000s and the 9000, the 9000 vastly out performs the 7000s. there is really no comparison.
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HN9000/Spaceway III,74m/1w,Elite package,Windows 7,Ubuntu,

One More Too

join:2010-09-09
Galena, IL
said by Aframe:

said by grohgreg:

said by C0RR0SIVE:

HN9000 aren't so simple to swap out from my understanding.... More of a hassle than HN7000 in the end, especially when dealing with used units.

Yeah, that's why I stuck with the HN7000S. I personally feel that the HN9000 wasn't ready for prime time. From my perspective, it would have been better never to have fielded the HN9000 at all - and jumped from the Ku-band HN7000S straight to the Ka-band Gen4. But Hughes was faced with competition from WB, so they elected to bridge the gap with the HN9000

That said, I've already talked to installers who - almost as one - exclaim how easy the Gen4 is to install (compared to the HN9000). Which is another reason I'm ready to upgrade - once I resolve this lease vs purchase issue that is.

//greg//

Being that I have had both the 7000s and the 9000, the 9000 vastly out performs the 7000s. there is really no comparison.

My experience was exactly the same. After several years of up and down service with 7000s and other Ku modems, the 2 1/2 years of service I had with the 9000/Ka system was far superior. I got advertised speeds virtually 24/7, and, during that 2 1/2 years, there were only 2 or 3 service outages that each lasted less than an hour. The only equipment issue that I had during that time was a modem that experienced the LAN port failure that many 9000 modems had, and Hughes replaced it at no cost to me even though my system was out of warranty. Of the several equipment or plan upgrades that I made over my years as a Hughes customer, without question, the switch to the 9000 system was the one that worked out the best in terms of both system performance and reliability.


grohgreg
Dunno. Ask The Chief

join:2001-07-05
Dawson Springs, KY

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reply to Aframe
said by Aframe:

Being that I have had both the 7000s and the 9000, the 9000 vastly out performs the 7000s. there is really no comparison.

said by One More Too:

My experience was exactly the same.

Installation was my point, not performance. And performance issues can be quite consistently correlated with the quality of the install. That said, I've had no significant complaints about the performance of my HN7000S system. The advertised performance specs of the two systems are identical. The plan names differ slightly, but not the prices. So - installation issues aside - my experience doesn't support a thesis that the HN9000 outperforms the HN7000S.

Which brings me back to my original statement; I skipped the HN9000 upgrade because it was harder to install. So feedback from HT1000 installers about the comparative ease of installation was one of the determining factors in my decision to jump from HN7000S to Gen4.

//greg//
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HN7000S - 98cm Prodelin/2w "pure" Osiris - ProPlus - G16/1001H - NOC:GTN - NAT 67.142.115.130 - Gateway 66.82.25.10 - DNS 66.82.4.12 and 66.82.4.8 - Firefox 15/MSIE9 - AV/Firewalled by NIS2012

capnkirk

join:2012-10-15
Lake City, MI
I'm an existing 7000 user, previously 4000. A few days ago, I registered for upgrade to Gen4. I discovered that it is lease only, no purchase option available for EXISTING USERS. So, I registered for a new install, and pretty soon had two installers contacting me to set up an appointment. OK, short form of the story. Per a very nice lady in Portland with a group called "preinstallation," existing users can only lease. If you want to purchase, you have to cancel your contract, WAIT SIXTY DAYS, and place an order for a new install. I believe that treating different classes of customers with different financial plans represents a restraint of trade, in this case another case of existing users being rear ended by Hughes management.