 LazManPremium
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Re: Dalton's anti-smoking minions have had enough. said by DKS:said by peterboro:Seems guys smoking in garages and their trucks in small town Ontario has to be cracked down on. What a crock of shit. Considering shops are torching shit off cars the occasional cigarette is a breath of fresh air.
»www.chextv.com/News/LN/12-10-03/···ork.aspx
Given the cost of smoking to the health care system through complications, this is an effective preventative measure. Ever seen someone die of COPD?  Then make it illegal, already...
I don't smoke cigarettes - (it's the occational cigar, before anyone weigh's in...) - but the anti-tobacco rules and movement, are getting insane, in my opinion.
Where exactly IS is OK to smoke now?
Can't smoke in public places.
Can't smoke at work.
Can't smoke outside (there's entire blocks in Toronto where you can't get the required 9m away from a door)
Can't smoke in your car/truck.
FFS, can't smoke in your own home anymore! »Smoking ban inside your condo - Bylaw passed
If smoking is the root of all evil, then just make it against the law, already, and be done with it.
As for the nanny state, and Flip-Flop McGuinty - it's amazing, no one voted for him, but he got in twice... I've never liked him, never trusted him, and never voted for him. I don't know that the other options would be better (my personal leanings are small 'c' conservative, but whatever) - but after the first term, we all should have known what McGuinty was about - and he was re-elected anyways... |
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Peterborough, ON | said by LazMan: Then make it illegal, already... Absolutely. Oh wait...all the self righteous hypocrites who support this would have their services cut and tax burden increased. Oh dear me...best to just get on their soapbox and decry the evil smokers yet pocket the largess from their purchases. |
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said by LazMan:Can't smoke in public places.
Can't smoke at work.
Can't smoke outside (there's entire blocks in Toronto where you can't get the required 9m away from a door)
Can't smoke in your car/truck.
FFS, can't smoke in your own home anymore! »Smoking ban inside your condo - Bylaw passed
The 'home' one is a one-off of a condo association, so we'll leave that aside. The car/truck one.....that's only if there are children in the car, isn't it? I haven't seen anything that says you can't smoke in your car ever, but only if there are children present.
(disclaimer: I'm a non-smoker; I'm just trying to get the facts straight)
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Peterborough, ON | said by Kardinal: The car/truck one.....that's only if there are children in the car, isn't it? I haven't seen anything that says you can't smoke in your car ever, but only if there are children present. Like as mentioned kids or not, if your vehicle is being used for any type of commercial activity then it is verboten. There are literally 10s or 100s of thousands of vehicles that fall into this category.
Now an interesting dynamic is federally regulated workplaces like cross jurisdiction truckers or even telecom workers. Can the province impose safety restrictions of a federal workplace? |
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said by peterboro:said by LazMan: Then make it illegal, already... Absolutely. Oh wait...all the self righteous hypocrites who support this would have their services cut and tax burden increased. Oh dear me...best to just get on their soapbox and decry the evil smokers yet pocket the largess from their purchases. I do not mind benefiting from their stupidity.
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said by LazMan:Where exactly IS is OK to smoke now?
Can't smoke in public places. You certainly can. Parks, sidewalks and so on.
Can't smoke at work.
Can't smoke outside (there's entire blocks in Toronto where you can't get the required 9m away from a door)
Can't smoke in your car/truck.
You can smoke in your own home,. That was one condo exception.
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| said by DKS:said by LazMan:Where exactly IS is OK to smoke now?
Can't smoke in public places. You certainly can. Parks, sidewalks and so on. And tomorrow, you won't be able to smoke within x meters of kids. So of like Harper's Anti drug laws where you get a bigger penalty of you smoke near kids (the next backyard for example).
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LazManPremium
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said by DKS:said by LazMan:Where exactly IS is OK to smoke now?
Can't smoke in public places. You certainly can. Parks, sidewalks and so on. Nope...
»www.hamilton.ca/HealthandSocialS···aces.htm
Can't smoke in your car/truck. As long as you don't have kids with you, you can.
You can smoke in your own home,. That was one condo exception. |
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said by DKS:said by LazMan:Where exactly IS is OK to smoke now?
Can't smoke in public places. You certainly can. Parks, sidewalks and so on. Wrong. You can't smoke in public parks here and that includes parking, pathways and sidewalks. Eventually it will encompass all vehicles and homes. Smokers will eventually be relegated to barb wire compounds in the far north or placed in internment camps. |
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| said by peterboro:Wrong. You can't smoke in public parks here and that includes parking, pathways and sidewalks. You can thank Niagara Falls for that, they were the first municipality in Ontario to ban smoking on any city property, including parks and any other city-owned land outdoors. |
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said by peterboro:said by Gone:said by peterboro:Ontarians Torontoids must as they keep supporting a nanny state approach by Dalton.
Fixed it for you. Didn't want to post the obvious least I be slagged for TO bashing as some members are sensitive. said by Gone:said by peterboro:Ontarians Torontoids must as they keep supporting a nanny state approach by Dalton.
Fixed it for you. Gone is correct.
Its because of blind support in Toronto. I am living in ward which has population more than City of Peterborough. And it will always go to Liberals no matter how I vote.
said by peterboro:said by DKS:said by LazMan:Where exactly IS is OK to smoke now?
Can't smoke in public places. You certainly can. Parks, sidewalks and so on. Wrong. You can't smoke in public parks here and that includes parking, pathways and sidewalks. Eventually it will encompass all vehicles and homes. Smokers will eventually be relegated to barb wire compounds in the far north or placed in internment camps. I am a non-smoker and even I don't like this. Its too much regulation. DKS is wrong about the cost. If Dalton wanted to save money he better do it somewhere else. Just stop the fiasco like e-health, Gas plants...on and on...And screw those people who voted for Dalton, in recent by-election. So don't blame Toronto for everything. |
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said by Gone:said by peterboro:Wrong. You can't smoke in public parks here and that includes parking, pathways and sidewalks. You can thank Niagara Falls for that, they were the first municipality in Ontario to ban smoking on any city property, including parks and any other city-owned land outdoors. You rock Niagra Falls!! Muchas Gracias!!
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| said by Anav:You rock Niagra Falls!! Muchas Gracias!! ... yet you live off the fruits of the revenue that the provinces and federal government rake in on tobacco sales. I love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning. |
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said by peterboro:said by DKS:said by LazMan:Where exactly IS is OK to smoke now?
Can't smoke in public places. You certainly can. Parks, sidewalks and so on. Wrong. You can't smoke in public parks here and that includes parking, pathways and sidewalks. Eventually it will encompass all vehicles and homes. Smokers will eventually be relegated to barb wire compounds in the far north or placed in internment camps. I can't help it if Peterpatch is regressive. As for relegating a disgusting, vile habit to internment camps, fine with me. But there are better ways.
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AnavSarcastic Llama? Naw, Just AcerbicPremium
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You see fruit? Where?? Show me a province where there is fruit. Our standard of living is on a downward slope my friend. Everything is going up except my pecker and income. |
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said by Gone:You can thank Niagara Falls for that, they were the first municipality in Ontario to ban smoking on any city property, including parks and any other city-owned land outdoors.
Remember when all those local businesses spent many thousands, some as high as $100,000, to renovate their businesses so they could conform to the 'smoking room' laws? Then a couple of years later they change the law again...? Our government is grand. |
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| said by urbanriot:Remember when all those local businesses spent many thousands, some as high as $100,000, to renovate their businesses so they could conform to the 'smoking room' laws? Then a couple of years later they change the law again...? Our government is grand. Yup. It put a lot of local businesses into a very difficult financial situation, especially since renovations like that are costed over a multi-year period. |
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Urban, the myth of the smoking area was actually thought up and pushed through legislation by lobby groups representing the tobacco industry. These are very smart people that wished to ensure there remained a viable smoking outlet at the work place. It did not originate from govts. Most of what goes on, unfortunately we have no clue about,especially when it comes to policy, legislation or heck tendering of construction contracts. Money (greed-profit) is the driver, not much else.
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LazManPremium
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said by DKS:I can't help it if Peterpatch is regressive. As for relegating a disgusting, vile habit to internment camps, fine with me. But there are better ways.
Hamilton, Niaraga Falls, Peterborough, Ottawa/NCR...
There's a broad spectrum of places that don't allow, or limit smoking in public...
I'm (essentially) a non-smoker, I made my wife quit before we got married... I see the results of smoking first hand (one of the leading causes of residential fires is smoking; as well as medical response to those who are suffering the effects of CA or other illness).
I'm not for smoking.
But it's legal.
I'm against the curtailing of the rights of citizens to perform a legal act... Just beacause no-smoking laws don't directly impact me, doesn't mean I don't care about the direction they head...
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--
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Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--
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Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.
When 'they' start limiting the rights of one group to do legal activities, we have to pay attention... Just because it's something that doesn't change my life today; doesn't mean it won't tomorrow.
For the record, if they made smoking illegal tomorrow, I'd have zero problem with that... (even with the gov't paying for addiction treatment/stop smoking programs to assist addicts in kicking their fag habbit...)
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said by Anav:You see fruit? Where?? Show me a province where there is fruit. Our standard of living is on a downward slope my friend. Everything is going up except my pecker and income. Well, aside from the fact that there is plenty of fruit growing in the Niagara Peninsula in the Province of Ontario...
... you drive on freeways? You receive health care when you go to the hospital? Your kids go to school? Who do you think funds those services, and how do you think they receive a portion of that funding?
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