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reply to vue666

Re: Canadian comes home from Guantanamo

said by Kardinal:

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You believe one story and deny another for exactly the same standard of evidence: it's convenient to your way of thinking.

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reply to vue666
Wow, didnt know judges were gods.
So pray tell, please tell me the name of the Canadian judge your quoting.

I thought we were talking about Guantanamo? And I wasn't aware of any Canadian Judges having jurisdiction over an US Military base....

As far as being gods, they are at the top of the food chain when it comes to the court room....

reply to Kardinal

said by Kardinal:

said by vue666:

As do you...

You see no difference between the evidence presented as to what has gone on at Gitmo and a claim that couldn't produce a charge in 8 years of trying? That speaks volumes.

.....back on track, yet again.......

Khadr is in Millhaven assessment facility, but I'll be curious to see where he gets sent. In the past, it would have been the Kingston Pen if he was considered to be "the worst of the worst", but since that facility is now closing it would be Millhaven for max or Collins Bay/Warkworth/Joyceville/Bath for medium security if they keep him in province.

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Before covering a military commission at Guantanamo Bay, reporters must agree to several ground rules about what they can publish and what they must withhold from the public.

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reply to vue666

Col. Patrick Parrish, the judge presiding over Omar Khadr's military trial....

»www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2010···020.html

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"There is no credible evidence the accused was ever tortured … even using a liberal interpretation considering the accused's age," Parrish wrote.

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So whats your point. That you blindly give allegiance to an American Col over a Canadian Citizen, presiding over a kangeroo court that was stood up outside the US to avoid US jurisdiction and civilized legal rules. Pretty sad if you ask me.

Oh if your going to quote gods as though somehow their gospel..
G.W. Bush the Commander in Chief.....

WMD Quotes Before & After The Invasion

Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction.
Dick Cheney
August 26, 2002

Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.
George W. Bush
September 12, 2002

If he declares he has none, then we will know that Saddam Hussein is once again misleading the world.
Ari Fleischer
December 2, 2002

The president of the United States and the secretary of defense would not assert as plainly and bluntly as they have that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction if it was not true, and if they did not have a solid basis for saying it.
Ari Fleischer December 6, 2002

We know for a fact that there are weapons there.
Ari Fleischer January 9, 2003

Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent.
George W. Bush
January 28, 2003

We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass destruction, is determined to make more.
Colin Powell
February 5, 2003

We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have.
George W. Bush
February 8, 2003

So has the strategic decision been made to disarm Iraq of its weapons of mass destruction by the leadership in Baghdad? . . . I think our judgment has to be clearly not.
Colin Powell
March 7, 2003

We believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons.
Vice President Dick Chaney
March 16, 2003

Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.
George W. Bush
March 17, 2003

Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly . . . all this will be made clear in the course of the operation, for whatever duration it takes.
Ari Fleisher
March 21, 2003

There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction. And . . . as this operation continues, those weapons will be identified, found, along with the people who have produced them and who guard them.
Gen. Tommy Franks
March 22, 2003

I have no doubt we're going to find big stores of weapons of mass destruction.
Defense Policy Board member Kenneth Adelman
March 23, 2003

One of our top objectives is to find and destroy the WMD. There are a number of sites.
Pentagon Spokeswoman Victoria Clark
March 22, 2003

We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.
Donald Rumsfeld
March 30, 2003

Obviously the administration intends to publicize all the weapons of mass destruction U.S. forces find -- and there will be plenty.
Neocon scholar Robert Kagan
April 9, 2003

I think you have always heard, and you continue to hear from officials, a measure of high confidence that, indeed, the weapons of mass destruction will be found.
Ari Fleischer
April 10, 2003

We are learning more as we interrogate or have discussions with Iraqi scientists and people within the Iraqi structure, that perhaps he destroyed some, perhaps he dispersed some. And so we will find them.
George W. Bush
April 24, 2003

There are people who in large measure have information that we need . . . so that we can track down the weapons of mass destruction in that country.
Donald Rumsfeld
April 25, 2003

We'll find them. It'll be a matter of time to do so.
George W. Bush
May 3, 2003

I'm absolutely sure that there are weapons of mass destruction there and the evidence will be forthcoming. We're just getting it just now.
Colin Powell
May 4, 2003

We never believed that we'd just tumble over weapons of mass destruction in that country.
Donald Rumsfeld
May 4, 2003

I'm not surprised if we begin to uncover the weapons program of Saddam Hussein -- because he had a weapons program.
George W. Bush
May 6, 2003

U.S. officials never expected that "we were going to open garages and find" weapons of mass destruction.
Condoleeza Rice
May 12, 2003

I just don't know whether it was all destroyed years ago -- I mean, there's no question that there were chemical weapons years ago -- whether they were destroyed right before the war, (or) whether they're still hidden.
Maj. Gen. David Petraeus, Commander 101st Airborne
May 13, 2003

I don't believe anyone that I know in the administration ever said that Iraq had nuclear weapons.
Donald Rumsfeld,
May 14, 2003

Before the war, there's no doubt in my mind that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical. I expected them to be found. I still expect them to be found.
Gen. Michael Hagee, Commandant of the Marine Corps
May 21, 2003

Given time, given the number of prisoners now that we're interrogating, I'm confident that we're going to find weapons of mass destruction.
Gen. Richard Myers, Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff
May 26, 2003

They may have had time to destroy them, and I don't know the answer.
Donald Rumsfeld
May 27, 2003

For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction (as justification for invading Iraq) because it was the one reason everyone could agree on.
Paul Wolfowitz
May 28, 2003

It was a surprise to me then — it remains a surprise to me now — that we have not uncovered weapons, as you say, in some of the forward dispersal sites. Believe me, it's not for lack of trying. We've been to virtually every ammunition supply point between the Kuwaiti border and Baghdad, but they're simply not there.

Lt. Gen. James Conway, 1st Marine Expeditionary Force
May 30, 2003

Suggest you sit down and read two things.

(1) »www.cia.gov/library/reports/gene···dex.html

(2) the book 1984

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Leave your troubles at the door! "Pepe Peregil" De Sevilla. Just Don't Wifi without WPA, "Yul Brenner"

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Nice wall of text that shows you are merely grasping at straws. And whether there are WMD in Iraq or not has no relevance as to the innocence or guilt of Omar Khadr... Whether he was tortured or not...

I would ask what are Canadian citizens (the Khadr family) doing in an Al Qaeda terrorist camp...

And as Ian has previously posted....

I guess I see very little different between an Al Queda Training Camp, where they simulated their craft, and the Guantanomo Bay Camp where they actually conducted their craft.
I find both using cowardly methods.
I find both illegal
I find both contravene the geneva convention.
I find both do not conform to Canadian Values.

I find it despicable that you support one of them.
The difference is I support neither.
You may have the right to support one of them and state it but that does not mean I have to respect you for it.

Furthermore I find it appalling that you would find it OKAY that a canadian citizen was illegally detained and put on a joke-trial, be it Amars Rendition (illegal kidnapping) by the US to be tried (tortured) in Syria, or other instances of mock injustice, such as Khadr. (not to be confused with idiots that try to smuggle drugs or pedophiles etc).

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Ain't nuthin but the blues! "Albert Collins".
Leave your troubles at the door! "Pepe Peregil" De Sevilla. Just Don't Wifi without WPA, "Yul Brenner"

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Wow...now you're really clutching at straws, name calling and personal insults was bad enough BUT now putting words into my mouth...

Where did I say I supported anything. Please post my exact post.

My concern is with the Khadr families involvement with Al Qaeda, being at a terrorist training camp...I'm in agreement with Wolfie's earlier post.

reply to Anav

I hear you Ian, we dont know all the facts, in fact its hard to make any sort of judgement based on how the whole thing transpired. If they had tried Khadr as a juvenile in a proper court of law, as per our system or standard US system, then I would not be arguing about process. There are lots of people-families in Canada that may have similar sentiments you descibe, but they are still here, so its not illegal to harbour ill will, however its illegal to carry out criminal activities.
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Ain't nuthin but the blues! "Albert Collins".
Leave your troubles at the door! "Pepe Peregil" De Sevilla. Just Don't Wifi without WPA, "Yul Brenner"

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Interesting article by MacLeans.... the article reports while in Guantánamo Bay Omar played basketball & soccer, watched tv, got special comfort socks, acne cream, extra juices & salads in his lunch, learned literature and high school equivalency courses...

Yup, sounds a lot like the dark dungeons of the middle ages....

»www2.macleans.ca/2012/10/04/into···unknown/

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About a boy, now man, who blames everyone else for his lot in life—except the extremist father who sent him into battle in the first place.

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reply to Anav

said by Anav
Furthermore I find it appalling that you would find it OKAY that a canadian citizen was illegally detained and put on a joke-trial, be it Amars Rendition (illegal kidnapping) by the US to be tried (tortured) in Syria, or other instances of mock injustice, such as Khadr. (not to be confused with idiots that try to smuggle drugs or pedophiles etc).
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Please post the exact quote where I alleged the above... Or kindly apologize. My concern has always been the Khadrs very close ties to Bin Laden and what the hell where they doing at an Al Qaeda terrorist camp...

I've alleged that their actions could be considered treason. You've alleged Omar has been tortured.

I've let the name calling and insulting pass... Now I am asking you to reference my post where I said torture or kidnapping was OK...

You will not comply because I did not make any such claims... now who is having a problem connecting the dots?

reply to Kardinal

said by Kardinal:

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Translation: "He's a child soldier, as defined by the international agreement, but we've decided that he was an adult and took our view of right/wrong regardless of circumstance or upbringing because we have more might and might makes right."

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