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urbanriot
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Re: Dalton's anti-smoking minions have had enough.

said by DKS:

Given the cost of smoking to the health care system through complications, this is an effective preventative measure. Ever seen someone die of COPD?

Bullshit, if this were for health reasons they'd ban smoking altogether. In Ontario "cracking down" or "environmentalism" means increasing more Liberal tax revenue.


elwoodblues
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said by urbanriot:

said by DKS:

Given the cost of smoking to the health care system through complications, this is an effective preventative measure. Ever seen someone die of COPD?

Bullshit, if this were for health reasons they'd ban smoking altogether. In Ontario "cracking down" or "environmentalism" means increasing more Liberal tax revenue.

How does cracking down on smoking increase revenue? I'd love to know how you came to that conclusion. have you been studying the discredited laffer curve again?
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peterboro
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reply to urbanriot

said by urbanriot:

said by DKS:

Given the cost of smoking to the health care system through complications, this is an effective preventative measure. Ever seen someone die of COPD?

Bullshit, if this were for health reasons they'd ban smoking altogether. In Ontario "cracking down" or "environmentalism" means increasing more Liberal tax revenue.

This is more about the control freaks in our society deciding what is best for you.

peterboro
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said by elwoodblues:

How does cracking down on smoking increase revenue? I'd love to know how you came to that conclusion. have you been studying the discredited laffer curve again?

Lots of fines that's how. In reality they spend so much to fine and prosecute that the return isn't there and a substantial deficit in revenues occurs.

Did you know that provincial prosecutors, who are paid to do these prosecutions, are being passed over in favour of private lawyers and all paid for by your health care levy?


Gone
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Well, of course. A provincial prosecutor would be more likely to drop charges and/or significantly lower penalties in an effort to ensure that they had sufficient resources to handle their caseload of other more important things like health and safety violations, serious driving infractions, building code issues, etc. Special prosecutors, being paid by the job and/or the hour, have no such restrictions, and continue to make money no matter how long they drag a case - and god forbid we ever drop a smoking charge!



DKS
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said by peterboro:

said by urbanriot:

said by DKS:

Given the cost of smoking to the health care system through complications, this is an effective preventative measure. Ever seen someone die of COPD?

Bullshit, if this were for health reasons they'd ban smoking altogether. In Ontario "cracking down" or "environmentalism" means increasing more Liberal tax revenue.

This is more about the control freaks in our society deciding what is best for you.

Nope. It's about improving health, reducing costs to the community and society at large and making for a better community. Being a control freak has nothing to do with it.
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DKS
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reply to urbanriot

said by urbanriot:

said by DKS:

Given the cost of smoking to the health care system through complications, this is an effective preventative measure. Ever seen someone die of COPD?

Bullshit, if this were for health reasons they'd ban smoking altogether. In Ontario "cracking down" or "environmentalism" means increasing more Liberal tax revenue.

Wrong. Prohibition doesn't work. Harm reduction and enforcement as a last resort does.
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Need-based health care not greed-based health care.


urbanriot
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said by elwoodblues:

How does cracking down on smoking increase revenue? I'd love to know how you came to that conclusion. have you been studying the discredited laffer curve again?

No, since I don't sit around and smoke weed all day and work for a living, my brain works well enough to know "this is how society works". Let me connect the dots as simply as possible...

Fining people = collecting revenue = ...collecting revenue.

Yea, I don't know how that wasn't simple to begin with.

We also keep those tobacco police employed as well, so that's good. More government jobs and more revenue by fining people in private areas.

A truck driver doing a long haul from Florida thinks he can drive into our country and have a smoke while he drive? Hah, cash cow right there.

peterboro
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said by DKS:

Nope. It's about improving health, reducing costs to the community and society at large and making for a better community. Being a control freak has nothing to do with it.

Nope. Those are the catch word feel good phrases trumpeted through out history to justify meddling in people's lives.


urbanriot
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said by peterboro:

Nope. Those are the catch word feel good phrases trumpeted through out history to justify meddling in people's lives.

Some people actually buy into those bullshit excuses... or they parrot them themselves because it's ideologically inline with what they want.


elwoodblues
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reply to urbanriot

Weed is cheaper then smokes



Anav
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said by elwoodblues:

Weed is cheaper then smokes

At least there is some benefit to weed.
Of course I would advocate in a healthy non-smoking form.


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said by Anav:

said by elwoodblues:

Weed is cheaper then smokes

At least there is some benefit to weed.

They may as well make it legal too, people can smoke tobacco. They should make wine and beer illegal or put accident pictures and destroyed livers on the wine bottles.