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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD

Huh?

Let's see... for a lot of who would go from unlimited 3G data for $30 a month to a 1GB allotment for $50 a month (assuming Verizon), then we have the following:

1GB Usage - 167% of your original $30 a month
2GB Usage ($15 per GB overage) - 217% of your original $30 a month
3GB Usage - 267% of your original $30 a month

Man I *wish* it was only "20% higher"
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Romney/Ryan 2012 - Put a couple of mature adults in charge.


88615298
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join:2004-07-28
West Tenness
said by pnh102:

Let's see... for a lot of who would go from unlimited 3G data for $30 a month to a 1GB allotment for $50 a month (assuming Verizon), then we have the following:

1GB Usage - 167% of your original $30 a month
2GB Usage ($15 per GB overage) - 217% of your original $30 a month
3GB Usage - 267% of your original $30 a month

Man I *wish* it was only "20% higher"

What are you talking about?

People like to say "data" is $50 a month. If you actually READ the minutes and unlimited texting are also included in that $50 part. Since unlimited texting on a single line under old pricing was $20 then you can say that the 1GB is actually only $30. Of course I haven't even taken the minutes into account.


pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
said by 88615298:

People like to say "data" is $50 a month. If you actually READ the minutes and unlimited texting are also included in that $50 part. Since unlimited texting on a single line under old pricing was $20 then you can say that the 1GB is actually only $30. Of course I haven't even taken the minutes into account.

I'm raising 2 kids, so I am used to hearing someone say the same thing over and over again in hopes that I might believe it.

And still, you ignore the facts. The initial $40 fee for adding a Smartphone to a "Share Everything" account covers unlimited voice and unlimited texting. So the $50 a month is purely for data. If you don't want to believe me, go look at the plans themselves. The data bucket isn't sold as "unlimited texting + data", it is just "data."
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Romney/Ryan 2012 - Put a couple of mature adults in charge.


88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness
said by pnh102:

I'm raising 2 kids, so I am used to hearing someone say the same thing over and over again in hopes that I might believe it.

And still, you ignore the facts. The initial $40 fee for adding a Smartphone to a "Share Everything" account covers unlimited voice and unlimited texting.

No it doesn't. Go to this link and tell which part the texting and minutes are on?

It's CLEARLY on the data portion.

»www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/plan···erything

Here I'll even post a pic



The texting and minutes are CLEARLY a part of STEP 2 which is the data portion.


pnh102
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The chart simply proves my point. You're not getting more texts for each increase in the amount of money you pay, but rather more data.

And you still haven't proven that my claims in my original post are wrong. You are pay more, and certainly a lot more than 20%, for data. Period.
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Crookshanks

join:2008-02-04
Binghamton, NY
said by pnh102:

And you still haven't proven that my claims in my original post are wrong. You are pay more, and certainly a lot more than 20%, for data. Period.

Single people pay more, families pay the same, or less, depending on usage.

My bill breaks down as follows:
2 x lines on 700 minute plan w/unlimited texting = $99.98
22% access discount (on base plan + 1 line): = ($19.80)
2 x 2GB data plan = $60
Total: $140.18

Equivalent level of service on the new plan:
2 x smartphones = $80
4GB data = $70
22% access discount (on data w/new plans): ($15.40)
Total: $134.60

The new plan is actually better in this instance, because the data is shared, you don't have to worry about using 2.1GB on one device and only 400MB on the other. The real savings comes for people with many devices, say four smartphones w/ the old 1400 minute plan with the base data package:

Hypothetical family of four:
4 x lines on 1400 minute plan w/unlimited texting: $139.96
4 x 2GB data = $120
Total: $259.96

New plan:
4 x smartphones = $120
8 GB of data = $90
Total: $210.00

That's $50/mo cheaper or $600/yr, which is real money by anyone's metric. If they had the old 700 minute plan instead of 1400 minutes they'd still save $360/yr, plus they now have unlimited calling.

Here's what stinks though:
Single person, old plan:
450 minute individual plan w/unlimited texting = $59.99
2 GB of data = $30
Total: $89.99

Single person, new plan:
1 x smartphone = $40
2GB of data = $60
Total: $100

This is part of an industry shift from focusing on ARPU (average revenue per user) to ARPA (average revenue per account), which doesn't make it any easier to swallow if you're a single person, but that's what is driving it.

There's always prepaid for people with a single line of service....


jseymour

join:2009-12-11
Waterford, MI
said by Crookshanks:

Single people pay more, families pay the same, or less, depending on usage.

Not really. A year ago, on VZW, I could've gotten a smartphone on a data plan for $80/mo. and added a dumb phone for my wife for $10/mo. I could've had both of us on unlimited data for $120/mo.

Y'all can argue it until you're blue in the face, but even the VZW business rep. I met with earlier this week readily conceded I was right.

Jim

Crookshanks

join:2008-02-04
Binghamton, NY
You didn't even read my examples, did you? The new shared plans comparable favorably with the tiered plans that replaced unlimited. They obviously do not comparable favorably with unlimited plans, but those were going away regardless.

As far as your hypothetical:

2 Lines w/700 minutes and unlimited texting: $99.98
1 x 2GB or unlimited data: $30.00

Total: $129.98

New:

1 x Smartphone = $40
1 x Dumbphone = $30
2GB of data = $60

Total: $130

Look, it costs the same. Which is exactly what I pointed out above.

If you were willing to forgo texting entirely (kudos to you, btw, though few people do this) it would have been $30/mo cheaper under the old scheme. Tiered packages would cost $20 to cover both lines, so you'd be saving $10/mo in that instance.

These plans do suck for the people who just want a basic no-frills dumbphone, the stereotypical "I'll use it for emergencies" user. In the old days you could add them for $10. Now it costs $30. In reality you'd just get them a prepaid phone and be done with it. Verizon doesn't want to subsidize a device for this type of person, hence the $30/mo charge.

It sucks, but there are lots of prepaid alternatives, so what's the problem?