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TheMG
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Re: [Rant] HP Photosmart Premium eAll-in_one C310a

I'd much rather pay more for the printer up front, and have cheaper ink, than the other way around.

Unfortunately, most people don't consider the long-term cost of maintaining a printer, and only look at the up front cost when making a decision to buy a printer. Thus, expensive printers wouldn't sell well.



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said by TheMG:

Unfortunately, most people don't consider the long-term cost of maintaining a printer, and only look at the up front cost when making a decision to buy a printer. Thus, expensive printers wouldn't sell well.

A large part of the reason for that is when looking at printers, the purchase cost is advertised and visible, and the costs/copy are not.
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said by fatness:

A large part of the reason for that is when looking at printers, the purchase cost is advertised and visible, and the costs/copy are not.

When I bought my current printer I actually was looking for a medium-duty duplexing, color, network printer for several of my SMB clients. Staples had this model on sale for $149, which was a steal (meaning it was a closeout) but I nosed around and figured out how much they'd be spending on ink and printheads, and what user feedback was. The comments were overwhelmingly positive and the numbers worked out to be less than what the low-end b&w lasers would have run at the time so I went with it, plus one for myself. Five years on, they're all still working flawlessly, and the ink costs have actually been less than what I was estimating.

YMMV but spending a half an hour or less doing a little research and simple math makes a huge difference. Too bad the vast majority of people don't realize you can use the Internet for that; not just bitching about making a bad purchase decision after the fact.
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said by DC DSL:

YMMV but spending a half an hour or less doing a little research and simple math makes a huge difference.

While I agree and I do the same thing somewhat, there's a sliding scale for how useful it is. Multiply that half hour times the number of printer models being considered and it begins to turn from a positive to a negative at a certain point.

I did find a site several years ago while printer shopping that actually listed an estimated cost/copy over the life of the printer. But I have no idea what site it was. That information, plus purchase cost plus reviews, would make buying decisions easier.
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It shouldn't take even a half an hour to figure out if a particular printer is worth it or not. I can pretty much make the determination in about 10-15 minutes. It is important that you know how you intend to use it (document vs photo printing, high-quality vs draft, heavy vs light duty) and the features that you need/want (i.e., speed, multiple paper sources, duplexing, network connectivity). I encounter way too many people who never enumerate those basics, buy the cheapest unit they can find, then complain about things like how slow it is or how printing photos sucks when they bought a printer that wasn't designed for high-quality photo printing. Make sure the unit(s) you're looking at will do what you want, then worry about if they match your Hello Kitty laptop or look out of place next to your life-size Lost in Space robot.
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So if I understand you correctly, you think it's better if the purchase price is displayed but the cost/copy is not?
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No, that is not at all what I said. I said that if people know the functionality they must have, they can narrow-down the pool of models to consider. We all know people who bought something that did everything but what they needed it to. Go back and look at the shiny stuff *after* you have decided a product should meet your needs and is worth the cost of ownership.
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Are the ink tanks comparable (in ml not physical size) to other printers you are able to compare to? One thing I have seen is where the printer will use smaller tanks / less ink in the tank so it gives the appearance of using more ink.

You can probably adjust the ink density via the printer control settings. Most printers allow you to do that. It will affect the quality of the print of course.

Are High-Yield ink carts available for the unit?
Are your prints covering more than the "normal" surface of a page? A single-spaced one page document will use more ink than a page that is double-spaced. Just trying to get some frame of reference, maybe get you thinking about specifics too.

ISO 24711 is an industry standard that calls on printer manufacturers to report ink yields. This report will be tied to the ink cartridge not the printer. In my professional experience if you aren't getting at least 300 pages, at the very very low end of the yield, there is likely something physically wrong with that printer or the settings are set incorrectly. If you research the ink part number you should be able to find the ink yield report. Your actual usage should come within an estimated 10-15% (in my opinion) of reported yield. You will never hit actual yield amounts due to a variety of reasons.

Quite a few years ago HP had released a line of printers that dumped an amount of ink after each print. Someone opened up their printer after noticing ink yields were very low and discovered the activity. It hit mainstream media and caused quite a big hubaloo then.

People complain about the price of oil & gasoline but we should all be thankful our cars don't run on printer ink - we'd be paying thousands of dollars per gallon.