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buckweet1980

join:2011-12-31
Allen, TX

1 recommendation

reply to houkouonchi

Re: just upgraded to 150/60

said by houkouonchi:

Amazing what newer tech's will say to try to get out of an ethernet install (LOL).

Thats one nice thing about business connections is the business guys are usually more experienced and will run ethernet anyway so I didn't have that problem at all even though I already ran my own ethernet they told me they would have ran it because I was a business customer.

My tech told me MoCa was faster when he installed it.. I told him I wanted ethernet though and he complied.. Actions like above just show laziness to me. If it wasn't almost guaranteed to work, Verizon wouldn't offer it.

SLAMtech

join:2009-12-03
kudos:1

There are lazy workers in every occupation. Some techs will go above and beyond and some will just do the bare minimum or less to get out of having to do a difficult job.



houkouonchi

join:2002-07-22
Ontario, CA
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
reply to buckweet1980

said by buckweet1980:

said by houkouonchi:

Amazing what newer tech's will say to try to get out of an ethernet install (LOL).

Thats one nice thing about business connections is the business guys are usually more experienced and will run ethernet anyway so I didn't have that problem at all even though I already ran my own ethernet they told me they would have ran it because I was a business customer.

My tech told me MoCa was faster when he installed it.. I told him I wanted ethernet though and he complied.. Actions like above just show laziness to me. If it wasn't almost guaranteed to work, Verizon wouldn't offer it.

By newer I mean hired in the last few years. Originally all FIOS installs were ethernet for internet data.
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300/150 mbit Bonded Verizon FiOS connection FTW!


FFJOHNL312
Premium
join:2007-12-16
Pawtucket, RI
Reviews:
·Cox HSI
reply to buckweet1980

said by buckweet1980:

said by houkouonchi:

Amazing what newer tech's will say to try to get out of an ethernet install (LOL).

Thats one nice thing about business connections is the business guys are usually more experienced and will run ethernet anyway so I didn't have that problem at all even though I already ran my own ethernet they told me they would have ran it because I was a business customer.

My tech told me MoCa was faster when he installed it.. I told him I wanted ethernet though and he complied.. Actions like above just show laziness to me. If it wasn't almost guaranteed to work, Verizon wouldn't offer it.

Oh yeah, it's faster alright.....faster for him to do.

And, depending on when the tech was trained, he may have not had/paid attention to the training regarding making up an ethernet cable. These speed tiers are only a recent development, so the focus in training when it was done may not have been on ethernet.


ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
kudos:2

No reason to run ethernet if youre on the 75Mbps speed package or less. You people are analyzing this way too much.



houkouonchi

join:2002-07-22
Ontario, CA
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS

said by ITALIAN926:

No reason to run ethernet if youre on the 75Mbps speed package or less. You people are analyzing this way too much.

I had ethernet on 35/35. I am sorry but yes there *is* a reason to run ethernet. More reliable and way less jitter not to mention lower latency.
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300/150 mbit Bonded Verizon FiOS connection FTW!


ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
kudos:2
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS

Well, then you become the CEO of Verizon and instruct all installers to use ethernet instead of Moca. Youll last maybe a week. On my MoCA connection I get single digit pings and no problems whatsoever.

The only legit reason to use ethernet on sub 75Mbps is if the customer wants to use their own router for internet only. Or ethernet + customer provided switch and router to use Verizon router in combination for TV. Its a rare occasion techs come across this scenario.



houkouonchi

join:2002-07-22
Ontario, CA
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS

said by ITALIAN926:

Well, then you become the CEO of Verizon and instruct all installers to use ethernet instead of Moca. Youll last maybe a week. On my MoCA connection I get single digit pings and no problems whatsoever.

The only legit reason to use ethernet on sub 75Mbps is if the customer wants to use their own router for internet only. Or ethernet + customer provided switch and router to use Verizon router in combination for TV. Its a rare occasion techs come across this scenario.

To each his own. To me a having 0.1ms of jitter instead of 1-3ms of jitter is well worth the Ethernet connection not to mention one less device I don't even have to have powered.

Also customer provided/switch router can be used even with moca so I don't think everyone would agree that is a 'legit' reason either. Its subjective. Atleast the modem can be a dumb bridge device for moca and it isnt like uverse where you are stuck behind their crap router/nat with limited sized nat tables.

That being said I have always done bonding/load balancing and had multiple FIOS connections pretty much from the start so needless to say regardless of type or speed I was going to go ethernet. Originally i had one 35/35 business and one 35/35 residential (with tv/phone) and both were Ethernet installs.
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300/150 mbit Bonded Verizon FiOS connection FTW!


danclan

join:2005-11-01
Midlothian, VA
reply to ITALIAN926

said by ITALIAN926:

Well, then you become the CEO of Verizon and instruct all installers to use ethernet instead of Moca. Youll last maybe a week. On my MoCA connection I get single digit pings and no problems whatsoever.

The only legit reason to use ethernet on sub 75Mbps is if the customer wants to use their own router for internet only. Or ethernet + customer provided switch and router to use Verizon router in combination for TV. Its a rare occasion techs come across this scenario.

I didn't realize there could be an illegitimate reason for ethernet over coax , originally all installs were ethernet and using the verizon issued router. I have always had ethernet and it does perform better for a host of reasons.

The benefit for most homeowners though of MOCA is that they can make use of the existing cable infrastructure to network their homes with simple MOCA adapters (ECB2200) or additional MOCA routers.

From a pure performance standpoint ethernet is better and has considerably more bandwidth than MOCA currently does and like Houk. stated there is less jitter and typically less latency.

The average homeowner though will never notice this much less make it an issue.

elefante72

join:2010-12-03
East Amherst, NY

When mine was installed (25/25) I just asked the installer to do ethernet. He said OK, however it wouldn't be supported and I had to have my actiontec there for diagnostics -- which isn't true but he thought what I was doing was cool. My actiontec is powered off... It's not for a non-network person though, so I can understand why Moca makes sense for 99% of the people because it can do the net and the DVR/STB use it, and most people have coax. Makes 100% sense. As things get faster, ethernet will probably take over.

For me, my house is 100% ethernet, and I run my TV right to a HDHR prime, which doesn't need the actiontec, and my ethernet cable goes into my Cisco router, and I understand that is the vast minority. However Verizon worked with me and I am very happy.



Silver_2000
Premium
join:2005-12-12
Carrollton, TX
Reviews:
·Windstream
reply to scottbryan72

to the OP
What is your goal with these speeds ?

I know mom said she would pay for it - but what do you expect to do with it ?

No game server and 99.9999% of the rest of the servers on the internet will not serve you data that fast. Its designed for shared environments with hundreds of nodes not a dozen or less in a residence.
Its your choice and your $$, Im just curious what the purpose is - if any

I have and Im paying for more than I need because I can, so I understand some of it - but I run a business and can deduct it.

Doug


iamloco724

join:2008-03-16
Brooklyn, NY

said by Silver_2000:

to the OP
What is your goal with these speeds ?

I know mom said she would pay for it - but what do you expect to do with it ?

No game server and 99.9999% of the rest of the servers on the internet will not serve you data that fast. Its designed for shared environments with hundreds of nodes not a dozen or less in a residence.
Its your choice and your $$, Im just curious what the purpose is - if any

I have and Im paying for more than I need because I can, so I understand some of it - but I run a business and can deduct it.

Doug

several reasons 2 desktop workstations 1 personal computer 1 personal laptop mobiles devices all up at the same time...plus ps3,sending files back and forth..as well as downloading alot more speed to go around around..and the deal we are getting made it worth it we were originally going 75/35 but they gave us this for 10 dollars more


ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
kudos:2

120Mbps going to waste at all times.
lol


iamloco724

join:2008-03-16
Brooklyn, NY

said by ITALIAN926:

120Mbps going to waste at all times.
lol

dont see how..yes theres decent amount of excess but not even close to that with all the file transferring and downloading that is done both for business and personal..its a home office as well


ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
kudos:2

youre loco


iamloco724

join:2008-03-16
Brooklyn, NY

said by ITALIAN926:

youre loco

ok well i see the file transfers and downloads/uploads i see the speed its going at and we are using pretty much to the max when those are in action limits are set so its not all used up on that

so you can think what you want..yes for the casual browsing and what not its not using it to full extent but as i said with the file transferring we are sure getting our moneys worth and getting that speed and experiencing no slow downs when we are doing that and other things at the same time

with a home office you want to be able to have that plus not affect the everyday bs so with all the bs going and having to big files to send back and forth its well worth it

iamloco724

join:2008-03-16
Brooklyn, NY

if this was 30 dollars or more a month then what we were going to get then i wouldnt have bothered like i said i was renewing with 75/35 this for 10 dollars more easily a deal and we are making full use out of it whether you want to believe it or not


serge87

join:2009-11-29
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
reply to ITALIAN926

said by ITALIAN926:

120Mbps going to waste at all times.
lol

Not for me


houkouonchi

join:2002-07-22
Ontario, CA
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS

said by serge87:

said by ITALIAN926:

120Mbps going to waste at all times.
lol

Not for me

Sure as hell not to me and LOL to this line...

99.9999% of the rest of the servers on the internet will not serve you data that fast.

A lot of servers are faster than you would think... Not to mention i haved maxed 300 megabits all the time on well seeded torrents and >150 mbit pretty much all the time on usenet as well.
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300/150 mbit Bonded Verizon FiOS connection FTW!


jarablue
Always be true to yourself

join:2001-06-11
Boxborough, MA
reply to scottbryan72

I hit 150mbps pretty much everyday. Usenet and Torrents I get all my speed.

The whole "not a lot of servers can feed the speed" was true back in the early days. Not so much now.

Lubbin me my 150.

Expand your moderator at work


danclan

join:2005-11-01
Midlothian, VA

Re: just upgraded to 150/60

I take full credit for maxing out my 640K memory.



birdfeedr
Premium,MVM
join:2001-08-11
Warwick, RI
kudos:9

1 edit

said by danclan:

I take full credit for maxing out my 640K memory.

My first PC was before there was a PC. I dug deep in my wallet to bump 128K to 192K on a Heathkit S100 CP/M. Later, it took a while for me to have to bump up to 640K on my 286. I spent more of my efforts on CPU and graphics.

One reason mega memory is useful is to have multiple tasks running. Even today I have never really gotten away from my roots where I do one thing, close out then go do something else.

[edit to add nostalgic link]»www.old-computers.com/museum/com···sp?c=261

praetoralpha

join:2005-08-06
Pittsburgh, PA
reply to jarablue

said by jarablue:

I hit 150mbps pretty much everyday. Usenet and Torrents I get all my speed.

The whole "not a lot of servers can feed the speed" was true back in the early days. Not so much now.

Lubbin me my 150.

I regularly max out my 50mbps, even during the evenings. With CDNs and other cloud services, it happens with almost every download, though it might take up to 5 seconds to ramp up to the max. Unless there was an epic sale, Steam has always, always used up all my free bandwidth.

serge87

join:2009-11-29
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS

said by praetoralpha:

Unless there was an epic sale, Steam has always, always used up all my free bandwidth.

Steam always delivers:

@birdfeeder: please send me a message next time

McBane

join:2008-08-22
Plano, TX

Boy I remember those speeds when I was on 150/35... I wish Verizon would hurry up with the business fios Quantum speeds so I don't have to pay $200/mo just for internet on top of everything else.