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scross
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Re: [rant] Dont they get it - its not just the hardware

said by JohnInSJ:

"if it applies to that version" - so they had problems with windows 7? What version? I am seriously asking, because there is a world of difference (core) between XP and 7. If 7, 32 or 64 bit?

I am currently running a mix of XP, Vista, and 7 - mostly Vista, which was the first version to have UAC. I actually have Win7 upgrade disks for all of the non-Win7 boxes, but I haven't found Win7 to be superior enough for it to be worth my time and effort to do the upgrade on any of them. The odds of my voluntarily moving to Win8 are slim to none, too; I will probably choose a whole different path here.

And, no, there really isn't a "world of difference" between them - not from where I sit, anyway. They may have tweaked this or that, or replaced this or that, or recompiled this or that, but deep down inside it's the same old Windows, with the same old design flaws and the same old problems.

You know, folks, I've been married for a long time now. My relationship with Windows is kind of like a marriage that wasn't that great to begin with, where your spouse keeps saying they will change their miserable ways but they really never do. You can never trust them very far because they are always letting you down, but you end up staying together for a long time for the sake of the kids or whatever. At some point, though, you just have to say "Enough!" and end it already.

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said by scross:

said by JohnInSJ:

"if it applies to that version" - so they had problems with windows 7? What version? I am seriously asking, because there is a world of difference (core) between XP and 7. If 7, 32 or 64 bit?

I am currently running a mix of XP, Vista, and 7 - mostly Vista, which was the first version to have UAC.
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And, no, there really isn't a "world of difference" between them - not from where I sit, anyway.

Ok, so you're not basing your assessment on anything current. Then it's perfectly reasonable and understandable.
scross
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said by JohnInSJ:

Ok, so you're not basing your assessment on anything current. Then it's perfectly reasonable and understandable.

Define "current". Your argument, BTW, is essentially the same one I've heard whenever a new version of Windows has come out - "This time it's different." But it's never really "different", now is it? As I've said, it's the "same old same old" - empty promises and hollow rhetoric (which is usually bought and paid for, I might add)!

The day that Microsoft releases an OS that doesn't NEED a constant stream of zero-day patches and such, for example, then maybe we can START to talk. Until then, no!

Thaler
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said by scross:

The day that Microsoft releases an OS that doesn't NEED a constant stream of zero-day patches and such, for example, then maybe we can START to talk. Until then, no!

So, since no software manufacturer could produce an OS to run on 90% of computers without zero-day patches...you'll never begin talking? I don't get it.

Mike
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You have to give MS some credit, they're slowly getting better.

Insight6
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said by Mike:

You have to give MS some credit, they're slowly getting better.

Yes, the cure for cancer rate is improving a bit each year too and it is a good analogy to the claim MS is slowly getting better. MS being on par with Apple will occur likely about the same time a total cure for cancer will be found.

In the meantime poor cancer sufferers will continue their brave painful battle as will MS users.

Go the DSLR Security Forum. Its name is in a way sort of a joke. They could change the name to MS problems and not have to change many posts. The number or percentage of OS X security posts that comprise the very heavily posted and used forum?

Mike
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I'm well aware at how shitty windows is.

JohnInSJ
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said by scross:

The day that Microsoft releases an OS that doesn't NEED a constant stream of zero-day patches and such, for example, then maybe we can START to talk. Until then, no!

Well, by that definition, we can start to talk. Constant stream zero-day patches? Nope. Same stream as all other OSes, yep.
scross
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said by JohnInSJ:

Well, by that definition, we can start to talk. Constant stream zero-day patches? Nope. Same stream as all other OSes, yep.

Well, having worked with quite a few operating systems in my time (I've been in the IT business for over 30 years now), Windows is the only one so far that NEEDS a constant stream (monthly, biweekly, out-of-band, or whatever) of zero-day exploit and similar patches. Other operating systems might have produced a steady stream of bug fixes, enhancements, feature-adds, and so on, that's true, but you might generally only get around to installing those quarterly or even annually or maybe whenever you had a specific need. And very (VERY) few of these were anything like urgent security-related patches, simply because these systems generally didn't ship from the factory in piss-poor condition, and had fundamentally good security built-in from the ground up.

If you have never worked with an OS of such high quality, then I feel sorry for you - I really do!
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said by Thaler:

So, since no software manufacturer could produce an OS to run on 90% of computers without zero-day patches...you'll never begin talking? I don't get it.

You don't "get" it, do you?

First off, your statement about 90% of computers isn't true. Windows may run on 90% of "PCs" today (down from close to 100% at one time, I might add), but PCs are all a variation on a theme of one specific computer platform - created by IBM in the 1980s and most recently driven by Microsoft reference designs starting in the late 1990s. The fact that so many people these days automatically equate "computer" with "PC" is just sad, because at any given moment you are literally surrounded by computers of various types, relatively few of which are PCs. The typical modern automobile, for example, is supposed to have up to 11 computers in it, none of which (thank God) usually run Windows or anything else from Microsoft!