navyson
join:2011-07-15
Upper Marlboro, MD | FIOS internet - how much faster can FIOS get? With Comcast matching(in fact exceeding) FIOS's 300 megabit service, what will be Verizon's answer to this?
I know that FIOS does not have a PON infrastructure to offer 1 gig up/1 gig down like Google Fiber in Kansas. However, how much more can FIOS internet go based on its current infrastructure? |
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 wmcbrine213 251 145 96
join:2002-12-30
Laurel, MD
kudos:1 | I see no reason they couldn't offer gigabit. It would just be shared. But that's how cable is anyway.
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| With GPON having to share 2.4Gbps among 16 or 32 customers, I doubt very much they will offer that much individual speed. Simply upgrading to the next PON will obviously answer that "problem" Perhaps 10 Gbps (oc192) shared on the PON cards? Maybe theyll go straight to 39 Gbps (oc768) ?? That would be cool.
Besides that, is Comcast REALLY matching? Theres a helluva lot of restrictions on someone getting that tier from Comcast, including a $500 install fee? |
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XG-PON, not for many years. |
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 JackarinoPremium
join:2006-12-28
Allendale, NJ
kudos:1 | reply to navyson
Im still waiting for my CO to got GPON! |
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| reply to serge87
This testing was being done a few years ago, probably waiting for costs to come down before deployment. Or, skipping right over this for the NEXT best thing. »newscenter.verizon.com/press-rel···ady.html |
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batsonaMaryland
join:2004-04-17
Ellicott City, MD Reviews:
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The limiting factor, is going to be the egress from the Verizon network. Sure, VZ could offer 500Mbit up/down, but what would it look like, when 100,000 people up and down the East coast for instance, try to stream their favorite TV shows & do other Internet stuff all at the same time.. All that traffic has to exit Verizon's network to get to the carrier that hosts that content. Unless there's a way to bond 50 OC192's together between carriers, and/or all carriers upgrade to multi-terrabit backbones, huge bandwidth only spells one thing: massive oversubscription. My original 768/90K DSL connection went to sleep at 5PM, so I went to cable-modem (in ~1999), and it too ended up going to sleep at 5PM. [For now], FiOS doesn't do this... yet(?) |
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| reply to ITALIAN926
said by ITALIAN926:This testing was being done a few years ago, probably waiting for costs to come down before deployment.
I wish I had your optimism. In any case, it's probably going to be a "not on the shareholders' watch" type of deal. You should have heard the naysayers when Verizon announced the $23 billion for FIOS in the first place. |
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| reply to batsona
said by batsona:The limiting factor, is going to be the egress from the Verizon network. Sure, VZ could offer 500Mbit up/down, but what would it look like, when 100,000 people up and down the East coast for instance, try to stream their favorite TV shows & do other Internet stuff all at the same time.. All that traffic has to exit Verizon's network to get to the carrier that hosts that content. Unless there's a way to bond 50 OC192's together between carriers, and/or all carriers upgrade to multi-terrabit backbones, huge bandwidth only spells one thing: massive oversubscription. My original 768/90K DSL connection went to sleep at 5PM, so I went to cable-modem (in ~1999), and it too ended up going to sleep at 5PM. [For now], FiOS doesn't do this... yet(?)
10 gigabit ethernet is the new standard these days with 40 gige and 100gige options as well. You can provide for *a lot* of customers with a single 10 gige link. VZ also balances load between multiple routers.
You can also easily put up to 8 links in a bonded (802.3ad) port-channel/lacp which could easily do 80 gig with 10 gig links. VZ is alter.net which is a tier1 provider. They have *massive* pipelines to all the other tier 1 transit providers (as its required to have settlement free peering with other tier1's to be a tier1 transit provider).
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300/150 mbit Bonded Verizon FiOS connection FTW! |
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VZ already has a plan for 500Mb for 2013 in the works. |
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| said by KillABrew:VZ already has a plan for 500Mb for 2013 in the works.
I like the sound of that but source? |
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 Smith6612Premium,MVM
join:2008-02-01
North Tonawanda, NY
kudos:22 | Probably another leaky faucet that has been correct with the previous speed increase rumors? :P |
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An inside person...not a field tech. |
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 danclan
join:2005-11-01
Midlothian, VA | I wouldn't be too concerned about Comcast's 305 megabit speed offering. As I read it's only available to very select areas and ironically it requires a fiber pull....... |
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| reply to navyson
said by KillABrew:An inside person...not a field tech.
If it's true then I'm very eager to hear more. Any idea if the new 500 tier will bump the current upper tiers(150/300) down a notch or will it have its own exclusive uber-expensive price? And will it be available for business customers eventually? I'll take any or all scoops 
nycdave if you're reading this I'd also love to hear your input!  |
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said by houkouonchi:said by batsona:The limiting factor, is going to be the egress from the Verizon network. Sure, VZ could offer 500Mbit up/down, but what would it look like, when 100,000 people up and down the East coast for instance, try to stream their favorite TV shows & do other Internet stuff all at the same time.. All that traffic has to exit Verizon's network to get to the carrier that hosts that content. Unless there's a way to bond 50 OC192's together between carriers, and/or all carriers upgrade to multi-terrabit backbones, huge bandwidth only spells one thing: massive oversubscription. My original 768/90K DSL connection went to sleep at 5PM, so I went to cable-modem (in ~1999), and it too ended up going to sleep at 5PM. [For now], FiOS doesn't do this... yet(?)
10 gigabit ethernet is the new standard these days with 40 gige and 100gige options as well. You can provide for *a lot* of customers with a single 10 gige link. VZ also balances load between multiple routers. You can also easily put up to 8 links in a bonded (802.3ad) port-channel/lacp which could easily do 80 gig with 10 gig links. VZ is alter.net which is a tier1 provider. They have *massive* pipelines to all the other tier 1 transit providers (as its required to have settlement free peering with other tier1's to be a tier1 transit provider). Just to add to this, Verizon has been in the news about its upgrades to 100Gbit between major US cites POPS »insanetek.com/news/1-web-and-ind···o-the-us as well as between the US and Europe »www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/news/2030549/···k-europe While I do not know how far along they are on this project it will bring substantial increases in compacity when its done.
Also to the op, Comcast's 305Mbit tier is worthless to most people who want low latency or to actually use that 305Mbit speed since they oversubscribe there main connections to try to force people to peer with them at ridiculous rates. For this all you have to do is look at people bitching about 300-1000ms ping's during peak hours. »tech.slashdot.org/story/10/12/14···y-choice while this is from 2010 the same crap happens to this day even with Comcast denying the issue. I get people who bitch at my Job on a weekly basis who use Comcast at home and have major problems at night with lag while connecting to our VPN (We have ~40Gbit to Verizon and Cogent both major backbone providers and only Comcast users bitch about lag). To add to this when I asked for a quote for 1Gbit from Comcast (Who has fiber in the building) the price was more then I pay for a single 10Gbit circuit from Verizon and about 2x the cost of Cogent. |
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Wow, that is a lot of bandwidth. I thought when I was using my 153Mbps I was knocking everyone off in my area. LOL |
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Comcast is using 100% fiber for the 300+ tier, so I doubt it will share the over subscription problems of its copper |
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| said by Fyi :Comcast is using 100% fiber for the 300+ tier, so I doubt it will share the over subscription problems of its copper
The over subscription problems has nothing to do with the last mile copper, they are at the connections between Comcast and Tata Communications which is one of the major tier 1 providers. Comcast purposefully saturates there connections to Tata to try and force people like Google/Netflix/etc... to peer directly with them by having there users bitch about buffering in videos or slowness viewing images or playing games. |
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| reply to navyson
Comcast can't even come close to FIOS pricing. Plus I can guarantee you that bandwidth increase will have a small cap on it. |
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