iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
 ·Verizon Online DSL
 ·RoadRunner Cable
·Comcast
| reply to navyson
Re: FIOS internet - how much faster can FIOS get? The issue at this point is that, for places that are getting the 305M treatment with Comcast, the cable company is setting up a full-on MetroE circuit to someone's house. That circuit can run up to one gigabit per second based on the hardware that they will install (router excepted). That means that Verizon has much less of a capacity lead when comparing their GPON network to Comcast's highest-end tier; either you've got a gigabit of capacity to one user or 2.5x that down and 1.25x that up shared between a few dozen.
That said, 500 Mbps down and 100 Mbps up would be very doable over GPON and force Comcast to up its MetroE-to-the-Home tier to compete. If Comcast upgrades its $300 per month tier again, it's easier for Verizon to swap out GPON for XGPON on a surgical basis (e.g. when someone orders a gigabit tier in an area, for $300 per month) than it is for Comcast to run fiber to the home anyway. In Verizon's case, they swap out one piece of equipment at the CO, plus maybe ONTs for the area. In Comcast's case, they have to string fiber. Plus XGPON has 10 Gbps of capacity on the downstream (roughly) and 2.5 Gbps on the upstream side...Comcast may have 10 Gbps symmetric going into an entire CMTS but at that point they're limited by the last mile again, which is too much work for practically no payoff. |
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| reply to serge87
This guy is just blowing smoke with his "inside person". If this 500 meg tier was in the works, only a handful of people would know about it. Which means they would not tell their friend to post on a forum.
I wonder if his friend also mentioned the caps hinted at by President Bob Mudge in the video announcing Quantam back in May. Nobody reported on that. |
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| reply to zippoboy7
said by zippoboy7:said by Fyi :Comcast is using 100% fiber for the 300+ tier, so I doubt it will share the over subscription problems of its copper
The over subscription problems has nothing to do with the last mile copper, they are at the connections between Comcast and Tata Communications which is one of the major tier 1 providers. Comcast purposefully saturates there connections to Tata to try and force people like Google/Netflix/etc... to peer directly with them by having there users bitch about buffering in videos or slowness viewing images or playing games. Proof? |
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 Smith6612Premium,MVM
join:2008-02-01
North Tonawanda, NY
kudos:22
·Verizon Online DSL
·Frontier Communi..
1 edit | Search for data on what happened to Comcast's service when they dropped Level3. TATA was their dump truck provider to the non-peered providers. Folks saw some nice speed hits and some websites that I currently cannot remember supplied some data that shows the ports to Comcast from TATA were running maxed at night. I'm sure it's not happening now but that is what happened.
When Sprint had an issue with Cogent back several years ago, you just lost access to Cogent's network. They didn't use another provider to get onto their network, but Sprint is probably a different Tier provider. |
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| reply to navyson
I have no doubts they had a maxed out Router/Link. Almost every ISP experiences this from time to time.
What I doubt is that it was sustained and still going on to this day, and I seriously doubt the motives suggested here. |
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Reviews:
 ·Verizon FiOS
| reply to Anon51
said by Anon51 :This guy is just blowing smoke with his "inside person". If this 500 meg tier was in the works, only a handful of people would know about it. Which means they would not tell their friend to post on a forum.
That's why I'd love to hear what nycdave has to say about this, because he's a no-nonsense guy  |
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| reply to navyson
Having just gotten the 300mbps plan I'm still interested in this(even though it's rumor at best) |
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 bohratomJersey Shore will rise again
join:2011-07-07
Red Bank NJ | reply to Jackarino
said by Jackarino:Im still waiting for my CO to got GPON!
+1, U served out of Freehold I take it? |
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Sammer
join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA | reply to ITALIAN926
said by ITALIAN926:With GPON having to share 2.4Gbps among 16 or 32 customers, I doubt very much they will offer that much individual speed. GPON can be up to 1 Gbps symmetrical but yes it would be overbooked if 16 users all used that at exactly the same time. |
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 mig288Premium
join:2002-07-13
Cherry Hill, NJ | reply to ITALIAN926
I need that connection.. lol. That's some serious speed there. |
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 JackarinoPremium
join:2006-12-28
Allendale, NJ
kudos:1 | reply to bohratom
Possibly, Im not sure.
My shore house in Ocean Grove is on GPON
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| reply to Sammer
said by Sammer:said by ITALIAN926:With GPON having to share 2.4Gbps among 16 or 32 customers, I doubt very much they will offer that much individual speed. GPON can be up to 1 Gbps symmetrical but yes it would be overbooked if 16 users all used that at exactly the same time. So GPON's Max Upload Speed potential 1.244 Gbps split 32 way's is 38.875Mpbs. So how can VZ offer 65Mpbs Upload over GPON via the 150/65 and 300/65 Tiers isn't that a Recipe for Over Subscription ? Now XG-PON has a Max Upload Speed of 2.5Gbps split that 32 way's you come out with 78.125Mbps per user. Why doesn't VZ roll out XG-PON for the FiOS Quantum Tiers ?
Same go's for Down Speed GPON 2.448Gbps split 32 way's is 77.75Mbps. XG-PON split 32 way's is 312.5Mbps. The FiOS Quantum 300/65 should be on XG-PON Not GPON. So how in the World is VZ FiOS Going to offer 500/65 ? Like I said a Recipe for Over Subscription. |
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Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
1 edit | What % of people do you think are uploading more than 35Mbps at any given moment? The only people eating this bandwidth constantly are the copyright infringers, and fortunately, the majority of people in this country still follow the laws.
You dont think this company can monitor usage for the entire PON? come on now.
... and by the way, Netflix uses up the most bandwidth on the net, Max 5Mbps per user. If every Verizon customer was streaming netflix all at the same time, it would have zero impact on their PONS, even BPON. |
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McBane
join:2008-08-22
Plano, TX | It really depends on the area you live. When I lived on a college apartment complex that had FiOS when it first came out we maxed the BPON upload constantly, and this was back when 25 up was the max. Guess what? It was pretty much all copyright infringers. If you live in an area with a lot of high tech or IT workers your going to see that problem dramatically increase. Now we have Netflix and streaming services so it helps alleviate the problem, though. This was back in '06 through '09 when I lived in those apartments. |
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| reply to navyson
Guy's Let's not get into Copyright's here. My point was Purely Technical in nature. That said my concern is of over subscription of VZ FiOS's network and the of lack XG-PON for FiOS Quantum. |
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| reply to navyson
There is no XGPON yet because GPON hasn't been exhausted yet, end of story. |
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·Verizon FiOS
| reply to bigdaddy
Technical in nature??. I asked you a question, what % of people are using that upload , 24-7, 7 days a week. Moral: no oversubscription issues. End of story.
We all know the torrent people disagree, but the overwhelming majority of customers still use the net, TO BROWSE. Very little upload is being utilized.
My cousin is a photographer. Uploads heavy duty files in email, he uses his connection maybe 5 minutes a day, the rest of the time its basically completely unused for browsing purposes.
The people kicking and screaming over upload/download speeds ARE the Torrent people. This takes away revenue from the MSO's, and entertainment/software industry. Then nobody understand why these companies are extremely slow to upgrade networks. So funny. |
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 birdfeedrPremium,MVM
join:2001-08-11
Warwick, RI
kudos:8 | said by ITALIAN926:Technical in nature??. I asked you a question, what % of people are using that upload , 24-7, 7 days a week. Moral: no oversubscription issues. End of story.
It's mere coincidence, I'm sure, that a person with username in all caps engages in an OT conversation and disregards the request to get back on topic. We've seen this before. |
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Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
2 edits | Youre right, its not related at all. Sigh.
How the internet is actually USED, and what applications ARE USED, have everything to do with this topic, and what upgrades Verizon has planned.
CAPS IN MY NAME means what? does that mean that people who have all lowercase are mental midgets?
The only reason these companies bump their speeds are for bragging rights, and for advertising purposes.
A mere coincedence that when VZ releases 300Mbps, Comcast comes out with their own FTTP at 305Mbps, right?
The truth and reality sucks, I know. Deal with it pirates. |
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