 PacketeersPremium
join:2005-06-18
Forest Hills, NY
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Re: [HSI] Users may experience slower connection speeds if torre thanks zed and karl. i'm sure ISP's already do such things and it is technically feasible, my only question is where and when did this become a publicly stated policy. most ISP's do this type of throttling without it becoming officially known, so it often remains anecdotal to the person posting about it.
for example my own experience suggests that Verizon-DSL does not throttle but TWCable does, and once you VPN on TWCable the throttle disappears. however I can't find a clearly stated policy from either ISP on what triggers the throttle for how long, etc. wikipedia has such information but it's user edited and out dated with nothing official to base it on. |
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zed260Premium
join:2011-11-11
Cleveland, TN Reviews:
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said by IowaMan:I know if the rep was official, there would be a logo as well as a tag for VIP and or offcial tech support
i suspect he may not be lying in past many key events where leaked by techs on here before it actually happened a tech leaked the bandwidth caps weeks before they ever entered tos for instance
and i know from past dpi blunder that charter had the equipment in place to monitor what you do for advisting purposes whos to say that equipment is not still there
also @packeters most isps have such info in public now days |
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 CarlPremium
join:2004-07-21
Opelousas, LA | reply to CharterTech
said by CharterTech:It will be slowed down to 15Mbps on the first offense for 30 days from first offense. Seconds offense 10Mbps for 30 days.
If two or more offenses happen in a month 500Kbps.
I am absolutely not okay with this. If this happens to me - and it shouldn't, because I don't really torrent - I will switch to AT&T. They only offer 6Mbps in my area, but I'd rather 6Mbps regardless of what I do instead of 100Mbps that get cuts down tremendously should I "step out of line" or something. This is absolutely not acceptable.
I could see cutting it down to half of your rated speed and then half of that for the second offense...but 500Kbps? Hells no. |
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PacketeersPremium
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Forest Hills, NY
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| Carl, I know you are mostly venting on a sympathy we all share, but in reality you don't want to go back to aDSL as that platform is slowly being resold or allowed to die a slow death by all ISPs who still provide it.
as for a 500kbps penalty phase, that make some sense as the average user would not notice a 15 to 10 speed downgrade - also 500Kbps is the transfer rate not the speed. a 15-10 speed line has a transfer rate of 1200Kbps, so 500Kbps would be about the same 6 speed you propose leaving cable for aDSL. |
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Once again this guy is spouting off things that he obviously either has incorect info or a ulterior motive.
I've not heard anything about this so i would disreguard it as false info. I also would not recomend the download copyrighted material illeagaly. |
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 BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | reply to speedxdesign
Re: [HSI] Users may experience slower connection speeds if torre said by speedxdesign:I am assuming this is part of their strike process. Which SHOULD be a case for civil court. This is the RIAA circumventing the court process to actually PROVE that someone is doing something wrong and Charter looks like they are willing to act as their enforcer instead of making them use the right process.
So if you get strike 1 you REALLY want to go through all the expense of court? You do realize that after strike 6 NOTHING happens to you? And sorry NO ONE EVER will get falsely accused 6 times. |
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| Yes. I want the ability to clear my name if I am not doing anything wrong. Even in a perfect system, there are false accusations. This seems like a punishment without any recourse or ability to prove otherwise. |
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BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | reply to speedxdesign
Re: [HSI] Users may experience slower connection speeds if torre said by speedxdesign:Yes. I want the ability to clear my name if I am not doing anything wrong. Even in a perfect system, there are false accusations. This seems like a punishment without any recourse or ability to prove otherwise.
There is ZERO way you get falsely accused 6 times
Also you seriously want to clog up our already clogged up court system with petty shit? |
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| Looks like 1, 2 and 3 offenses to me not 6. Yes, I do not want Charter to act as a judge or jury in any civil matter. I want them to use the proper process to the prove it. If they are unwilling, do they even have a case other than "we think this IP is stealing from us"?
Does that mean Charter is allowing only certain companies to use this process or can anyone send a DMCA complaint? I have a couple neighbors I don't like, maybe I can have Charter throttle their bandwidth.
Reeks of privacy. Follow the proper civil process or lose customers. |
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CharterTech has posted here several times with his unregistered account (anon) with details that are not true about Charter services. My suggestion would be to contact the real employees in the Charter Direct forums to confirm this information before rolling with it. |
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I've confirmed with Charter PR (and they asked around divisions) that this user's information is 100% not accurate. Numerous ISPs are implementing "six strikes" strategies this year which vary by ISP, but what the topic creator posted is false information. |
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kruserPremium
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Eastern MO | said by Karl Bode:I've confirmed with Charter PR (and they asked around divisions) that this user's information is 100% not accurate. Numerous ISPs are implementing "six strikes" strategies this year which vary by ISP, but what the topic creator posted is false information.
Exactly what I figured when I read this late last night.
New user with very few posts. Now, is this user a Charter employee or acting as one? |
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PacketeersPremium
join:2005-06-18
Forest Hills, NY
kudos:1 | shame... the whole reason i post on DSLR is to avoid trolls like CharterTech *sigh*  |
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said by BF69 
Sorry your son doesn't need to "seed" anything. Very few "legit" uses of torrents. yes there are SOME so don't go saying I said all torrents are illegal.
WoW can use some other way of delivering it's content.
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CarlPremium
join:2004-07-21
Opelousas, LA | reply to Packeteers
said by Packeteers:Carl, I know you are mostly venting on a sympathy we all share, but in reality you don't want to go back to aDSL as that platform is slowly being resold or allowed to die a slow death by all ISPs who still provide it.
as for a 500kbps penalty phase, that make some sense as the average user would not notice a 15 to 10 speed downgrade - also 500Kbps is the transfer rate not the speed. a 15-10 speed line has a transfer rate of 1200Kbps, so 500Kbps would be about the same 6 speed you propose leaving cable for aDSL.
He said rates will fall to 15Mbps or 10Mbps. Then he also said 500Kbps...as in a 62.5KBps download speed. That is not acceptable.
My only AT&T option is the new IPDSLAM product they're offering - I don't see that going away anytime soon. It's ADSL2+ and not ADSL.
I would definitely notice a downgrade from 100Mbps to 15Mbps. I would MOST definitely notice one from 10Mbps to 500Kbps!
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| said by Carl:said by Packeteers:Carl, I know you are mostly venting on a sympathy we all share, but in reality you don't want to go back to aDSL as that platform is slowly being resold or allowed to die a slow death by all ISPs who still provide it.
as for a 500kbps penalty phase, that make some sense as the average user would not notice a 15 to 10 speed downgrade - also 500Kbps is the transfer rate not the speed. a 15-10 speed line has a transfer rate of 1200Kbps, so 500Kbps would be about the same 6 speed you propose leaving cable for aDSL.
He said rates will fall to 15Mbps or 10Mbps. Then he also said 500Kbps...as in a 62.5KBps download speed. That is not acceptable. My only AT&T option is the new IPDSLAM product they're offering - I don't see that going away anytime soon. It's ADSL2+ and not ADSL. I would definitely notice a downgrade from 100Mbps to 15Mbps. I would MOST definitely notice one from 10Mbps to 500Kbps! Unacceptable. Again, "CharterTech" is posting false information. He has a trend of doing so. Please confirm anything with the Charter Direct guys before believing anything he posts. |
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BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | reply to speedxdesign
said by speedxdesign:Looks like 1, 2 and 3 offenses to me not 6. yes that's why it's called SIX strikes because you only get 3. 
Yes, I do not want Charter to act as a judge or jury in any civil matter. I want them to use the proper process to the prove it. If they are unwilling, do they even have a case other than "we think this IP is stealing from us"?
Do you even know what this law entails? The fact is this law CAN NOT be used to kick you off the internet. It doesn't matter how many strikes you get. Now can an ISP kick you off the internet if they think you are infringing? Sure, but they have that ability NOW. And have had it for years. And they don't need 6 strikes to do it either. It's called your TOS.
France has a 3 strikes law. It's been in place for 3 years. Here are the results.
1 million 1st strike letters
90,000 2nd strike letters
314 3rd strike letters.
ZERO people kicked off the internet
ONE person fined for infringing. |
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