| CC attack - Why? What is the motive? |
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kudos:4 | If I had to guess, I’d say it was to deny service. |
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Possibly one of:
1) Money. Extortion. "Wire x$ to bank account y and the attack stops."
2) Competitor looking to make hay.
3) Revenge. Somebody has a grudge.
4) Experimentation. Somebody wants to see what's possible.
5) Political. Somebody wants to disrupt US infrastructure. |
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The attack on Callcentric could also have been a training exercise.
said by »blogs.rsa.com/rsafarl/cyber-gang···s-banks/ :Cyber Gang Seeks Botmasters to Wage Massive Wave of Trojan Attacks Against U.S. Banks
Written on October 4, 2012 by RSA FraudAction Research Labs
In one of the most interesting cases of organized cybercrime this year, a cyber gang has recently communicated its plans to launch a Trojan attack spree on 30 American banks as part of a large-scale orchestrated crimeware campaign. Planned for this fall, the blitzkrieg-like series of Trojan attacks is set to be carried out by approximately 100 botmasters. --
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Re: CC attack - Why? said by bigjoesmith:Possibly one of:
1) Money. Extortion. "Wire x$ to bank account y and the attack stops."
Related: A demonstration of power, to frighten OTHER providers.
Thus, they would NOT contact CC, but afterwards the crooks can go around to smaller companies and say "Pay us or we'll do this to you". |
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MartinMVoIP.msPremium,VIP
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I highly doubt this was conducted by a competitor. If they were to be caught, their reputation would be ruined and they can be brought to justice.
I don't have the details of their network infrastructure, but in our case, especially with smaller POP's, we share gigabit pipes and sometimes other subnets are on a shared switch. And the DDoS we have experimented so far, luckily have mostly been a byproduct of other websites being under attack, affecting connectivity.
I don't understand why targeting a small business. I don't understand any type of attack at all but at least if you take something bigger like a bank or big corporation you kind some of kind of messsage, I guess.
An angry customer could be plausible, but that's quite a grudge.
Anyway, I hope they catch these SOB, and good luck to Call Centric with their service restoration.
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said by PX Eliezer:Related: A demonstration of power, to frighten OTHER providers.
Thus, they would NOT contact CC, but afterwards the crooks can go around to smaller companies and say "Pay us or we'll do this to you".
I agree on this. It's similar to methods used by the Mafia to charge smaller shops protection fees. "Pay us $$$ each week and we will not destroy your shop".
Six years ago Alex Tew got an email "To stop the DDoS send us 50000$". Today Web Blackmail is a common crime and there is no surprise that the criminals target the voip industry.
said by »www.guardian.co.uk/technology/20···security :A student who raised $1m through internet advertising is being blackmailed by hackers, it emerged yesterday. Alex Tew, who hit an internet jackpot with his Million Dollar Homepage website, is being targeted by internet criminals who have sent a series of threats demanding a $50,000 (£28,000) ransom. They finally launched an attack which brought down his website. "Hello u website is under us attack," one email reportedly said. "To stop the DDoS [distributed denial of service] send us 50000$."
Most smaller providers would probably think twice before saying no to a protection fee demand after this attack.
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1 edit | said by Arne Bolen:....It's similar to methods used by the Mafia to charge smaller shops protection fees.
"Pay us $$$ each week and we will not destroy your shop"....
A paraphrase of the old line :
"Dat's a nice picture window youse got dair. - Would be a shame if sumptin wuz ta happen to it !" |
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I would absolutely support any VoIP provider I'm a customer of, saying no to a protection fee demand. If it means my service is out for a couple of days, so be it. If recent events are due to attempted extortion, the only way they'll stop is if it's unprofitable.
I genuinely hope other customers can see that the service providers are as much victims as we the customers are. |
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| said by Mango:I would absolutely support any VoIP provider I'm a customer of, saying no to a protection fee demand. If it means my service is out for a couple of days, so be it. Me too. But I do believe many small providers will be too scared to say no to a demand.
Most victims of web blackmail pay the ransom fee. A few refuse and contact the FBI but most would likely prefer to pay.
said by Mango:I genuinely hope other customers can see that the service providers are as much victims as we the customers are. I hope so, but I doubt it.
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kudos:2 | said by Arne Bolen:But I do believe many small providers will be too scared to say no to a demand. I think you're wrong. At least personally I'd tell them to go to hell. Giving in to threats like this is a guarantee that you'll get additional threats in the future. |
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kudos:4 | said by nitzan:said by Arne Bolen:But I do believe many small providers will be too scared to say no to a demand. I think you're wrong. At least personally I'd tell them to go to hell. Giving in to threats like this is a guarantee that you'll get additional threats in the future. Agreed. I would be interested to hear where you got the impression that this kind of blackmail is so commonplace?
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Just some group proving that anything that runs through the internet can be screwed up. When all these groups get together, everyone will be down the tubes. |
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said by nitzan:At least personally I'd tell them to go to hell. Giving in to threats like this is a guarantee that you'll get additional threats in the future. +1
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said by Trev:I would be interested to hear where you got the impression that this kind of blackmail is so commonplace?
Since the Alex Tew case six years ago I have seen several articles about this kind of blackmail. A Google search gives thousands of results. Here is one recent article from ComputerWeekly.com:
said by »www.computerweekly.com/news/2240···in-China :Security industry representatives say DDoS blackmail is a common form of cyber crime, typically aimed at companies that rely on their websites for their core business activities.
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TrevIP Telephony AddictPremium
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kudos:4 | Ah, the news.
The news has taught me if I step foot in America, I'll be shot by some thug. Also, if I wind up at a hospital other than the one my travel insurance specifies, I'll be left to expire in the waiting room while they search through my wallet to see if I have enough funds to pay them.
Having said that, I've been south of the border a few times and have always managed to make it home without any trouble 
I work with hundreds of VoIP providers with some of my wholesale services and have never heard of anyone who's given in or had continued problems with these kinds of attacks.
Sometimes they come but always they go. If they keep it up for any serious length of time there's a very good chance law enforcement will come knocking as the attackers would have turned themselves into a target.
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kudos:6 | said by Trev:.... If they keep it up for any serious length of time there's a very good chance law enforcement will come knocking as the attackers would have turned themselves into a target.
Yes, I agree that once the shock and awe at the attack itself turned into anger and resolve to deal with it (and its cause), things would tend to fall into place more quickly at that point if the attack were to persist.
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said by Trev:Ah, the news.
The news has taught me if I step foot in America, I'll be shot by some thug. Also, if I wind up at a hospital other than the one my travel insurance specifies, I'll be left to expire in the waiting room while they search through my wallet to see if I have enough funds to pay them.
No but if you are stable enough or even not stable may get shipped off to another state run hospital or such that is forced to eat the costs. Some hospitals do dump patients unable to pay if they can.
No insurance pay us up front or you do not get the life saving surgery. Seen that personally. |
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