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Count Zero
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Re: [iPhone] Bigger Fail Than Maps ...

Well I do agree it would have been nice if Apple would have had a few device manufacturers have some stuff available at launch - especially a dock for my bedside and my desks.

Logistics and availability of the Apple stuff are due to less than optimal yields on the parts as previously noted online at MacRumors/Appleinsider.



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Way Kool-Aider!

I prefer my Kool-Aid with Splenda!



Count Zero
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I wasn't suggesting/hoping Apple would make a FW-Lightning cable but I was pointing out that it was a technical possibility.

USB on the go could be very useful. Hooking up printers, cameras, etc. would all be possible.

Of course money plays a huge role - but this level of control also ensures Apple can maintain quality in the 3rd party accessories available.

I think you Android people are just upset that no one makes really high end accessories just for your devices and with Lightning that trend will continue
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I disagree. I honestly feel that Apple has that "elitist" crowd mentality going for it.

As in "Every Apple makes is the Best (Irregardless of fact), and I only want the best: I buy Apple".

IE it's as much a social status symbol effect as anything related to the actual products.

"I have Apple: I am the Best." mentality.

Don't get me wrong, I think Apple makes great products that are slick looking and work well... but the actual Apple Corporation acts like douchebags and rips off their users at will.

I'm not the one who has to always run out and get every new iAnything, but I know several people who do just that, irregardless of price.
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Because we want to pay more for the word "Lightning"? But you have a point there. Why pay $1.25 shipped for a microUSB cable when I can pay $25 for something called Lightning!

It just somehow rolls off the tongue so well. It reminds me of this commercial.

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=ID6kSg4oeLU


Except, imagine the guy holding a Lightning cable and saying the word Lightning over and over again. It's the Kool-Aidiest!
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Count Zero
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Well if you enjoy plugging a $1.25 shipped MicroUSB cable into a piece of shit phone that's fine.

I'll buy a few lightning cables now and will use them for the next 5-10 years since Tim Cook has publicly stated that Lightning will be a long-term interface for Apple going forwards.

And the fact remains: At least people can buy "Made for iPhone" devices unlike any android phone I've ever seen.

You see anything like this for ANY droid out there? »www.bose.com/controller?url=/sho···ndex.jsp



Count Zero
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There is definitely a status symbol to Apple products but their customer satisfaction simply cannot be merely due to that factor alone - it would be a gross oversimplification.

Case in point: I've had 3 friends buy Android based tablets after I couldn't convince them an iPad was worth it (2 Galxy Tabs and 1 Sony thing) - they all returned their Android tablets and bought an iPad within a month because the other tablets just weren't as good. They all love their iPads now and highly recommend them to other people looking for tablets - but clearly getting one as a status symbol was not the biggest factor to them.

My mother is computer illiterate (she still has an AOL.com email address) and would buy whatever the cheapest computer is for the longest time - but once I got her setup with a Mac mini (several years ago) she hasn't mentioned buying a Dell or HP or some other Windows based computer since. I've even heard her tell her friends "Oh you should just get a Mac, it just works".

People like Apple's products because they're well designed, they are typically very high quality and even just their appearance in a room is pleasing which really can affect people's perception of their devices. That's why we finally sell Dell, Samsung and others paying attention to the aesthetics of their products (though still not as much as Apple does).
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10 years - 10 microUSB cales - $12.50
10 years - 1 Lightning cable - $25

But, if I understand correctly, you enjoy plugging cables into phones. For you then, Lightning is the way to go. Welcome to the distortion field!
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Weird. My dad looks at my sons' Transformer Prime and Galaxy Tabs and makes comments about how he likes those and the stuff they can do that he can't. He hates iTunes.

It only makes sense that many prefer non-Apple stuff. After all, 49% of tablet users can't be wrong.
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Count Zero
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Actuallly since the iPhone comes with 1 - and every future iPad/iPhone that I buy will come with one too I probably won't have to spend any additional for a single other Lightning cable for the next 10yrs anyways as I've already bought a few extras.

But I guess you just like using devices without any 3rd party accessories available



Count Zero
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49%?
»www.macrumors.com/2012/07/25/ipa···2q-2012/

Try: A fragmented portion of the market driven mainly by fad products like the Kindle Fire.
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Count Zero
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btw - what can a galaxy tab or transformer prime do that an iPad cannot? I mean aside form downloading porn apps.



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I have an Asus Android tablet. I think it's great - but I think I am more suited for an iPad. Should have bought the iPad from the start.


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said by Count Zero:

49%?
»www.macrumors.com/2012/07/25/ipa···2q-2012/

Try: A fragmented portion of the market driven mainly by fad products like the Kindle Fire.

I was wrong. 48%, not 49%.

»www.journalism.org/analysis_repo···ile_news

The advent of the new lower-priced tablets in late 2011 brought in a new crop of tablet owners. Now, just over half, 52%, of tablet owners report owning an iPad, compared with 81% a year ago. Nearly half, 48%, now own an Android-based device; about half of them, 21%, Kindle Fires. iPad owners, however, stand out from Android owners: they use their tablet more often in general and more often for news. Android users are more likely to use social networks and follow news that comes from friends and family.

The Kindle is a fad? Haha, just wait. The decline is in full force, you just don't see it yet. Kind of like a frog slowly being boiled.

said by Count Zero:

btw - what can a galaxy tab or transformer prime do that an iPad cannot? I mean aside form downloading porn apps.

Simple folder to folder file transfers.
Customizable
ROMable
Ports (not on the Tab)
Expandable memory (not on the Tab)
Widgets
Choice of Marketplace
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It isn't. Apple makes slick products that work well. They also are highly standardized and designed to be simple--- so you learn how to do something, and it remains constant and works.

People naturally contrast Apple products to Android products because that's the way it exists in the marketplace... but we have to realize that that market isn't anything like the Apple one company-makes-all. It's hundreds of products, many very different in usage, quality, price, and build. The devices are often customized and skinned by the manufacturers and vary in usage and learning curve.

I've used a cheap phone. For the price, I felt it was good value, but it was clearly slow and laggy and a compromise.

I like my GS3. It's a great phone, slick, powerful and fast... I like the large screen due to my big fingers.... messaging on a small phone was a chore.

I also have custom ROMs I use on the phone and I love it's interoperability with my PC. I understand that all this customization is not for everyone, it's extra effort....

I do understand the appeal of the Apple devices. I think they are quality devices that are generally well designed and have a good user experience so I see why they are popular with the general public....

... having said that I believe things like the lightning are examples of milking the public, and I know people who buy the latest Apple product every time they are released.... irregardless of cost or need. I believe this behavior is clearly the status and social aspect in display.

I guess in summation I would say I believe Apple products are good, but consistently overpriced and deliberately lacking key technological features for purely control reasons.... and they have many extremely vocal fans who trumpet constantly about their personal superiority for using Apple.

You have to admire their success in the market, no doubt. Their corporate attitude, however.... no thanks.
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said by Rob:

said by elwoodblues:

What's worse is there is nothing at Monoprice,so I can buy it cheaper.

And there won't be any until the Chinese can reverse engineer the chip, with some estimates saying not until end of year!

Reverse engineering is done. Initial clone cables are already being shipped. High prices for now, but no doubt they'll become commodity items soon enough.

»www.slashgear.com/apples-lightni···9251089/
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said by Count Zero:

Well if you enjoy plugging a $1.25 shipped MicroUSB cable into a piece of shit phone that's fine.

I'll buy a few lightning cables now and will use them for the next 5-10 years since Tim Cook has publicly stated that Lightning will be a long-term interface for Apple going forwards.

And the fact remains: At least people can buy "Made for iPhone" devices unlike any android phone I've ever seen.

You see anything like this for ANY droid out there? »www.bose.com/controller?url=/sho···ndex.jsp

Tim Cook said? He's not long for apple, so his decrees mean nothing.

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It's Bluetooth as well, and includes a non iStuff dock. Any BT device will work with the Bose system. Probably not the best example . . .

Well capitalized device manufacturers are smart. They aren't going to ace out a 4x bigger market share system of devices.

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Count Zero
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So widgets.....
Everything else you mentioned is trivial or actually exists on the iPad in some fashion.



Count Zero
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Thank goodness people with your lack of insight don't run Apple.



Count Zero
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Bluetooth compresses audio. What a waste. The non-stuff dock also hobbles the device and the controls. It's an afterthought at best.


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said by Count Zero:

So widgets.....
Everything else you mentioned is trivial or actually exists on the iPad in some fashion.

Pretty funny. When Apple doesn't have something, it "exists in some fashion", but when Android works with a device but not in the same way as iStuff, it's an "afterthought at best." Funny stuff.

As for BT sound quality, most of the reviewers say they can't tell a difference. BT audio has come a long way. Well, at least for non-iStuff. Don't know about the Apple things, since they can't even do NFC. I don't expect much.
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Re: [iPhone] Bigger Fail Than Maps ...

Supposedly there is some controller ship to aid with making it reversible. While power was reversible, the data pinouts aren't.

Only in Cupertino is that solution better than just making a one-way connector following...GASP...standards.



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SD cards (expandable storage). Keyboard and mouse (in the case of my transformer, makes it VERY usable for productivity). Keep your wallet a little thicker.



Count Zero
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Personally haven't found a need for more storage that 32GB iPad (had a 64GB iPad 1 and didn't feel the need to stay that big for the 2) - and with cloud based storage it really just hasn't been a need.

I got a Logitech Bluetooth keyboard case for my iPad for charting at work - so I do agree it's a sometimes useful thing - but is easily available for iPad. Haven't needed or wanted a mouse but I do have a stylus for charting more efficiently.



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Both my 64GB iPad 3 and 64GB iPhone 5 are consistently full and if not for iTunes Match I would be seriously screwed in terms of being able to carry my media content. With my transformer, I have 32GB onboard, plus a 32GB micro SD and in the keyboard dock another 32GB full size SD.

BT keyboards suck ass with the iPad. I easily out type them and have to wait for them to catch up...not so with my physically connected Transformer dock with integrated trackpad which turns my Transformer into a handy netbook with 14 hour battery life. Worse, no pointing device for iPad, so when you have it propped up on a stand you still have to reach up to point rather than being able to mouse-about. Bad for productivity apps like Numbers, Pages and remote desktop apps. Remote desktop back to a Mac or PC on the 1920x1080p Transformer with a real keyboard and mouse is pretty sweet.

I wish a serious dock system was available for iPad like the one available for the Transformer, nearly as much as I wish the Transformer would run an OS other than horrible Android.