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pclover
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Why would Comcast stall on speed upgrades for my area?

Why would Comcast stall on speed upgrades for an area that has DOCSIS 3 with 6 Downstream channels?

I'm on a Arris C4 DOCSIS 3 CMTS. I have 6 downstream channels with 3 up and still on a 16 Mbps tier and that is the fastest Comcast says is in my area.

What would cause Comcast to stall in my area now?

What else does Comcast need to do to an area or node that has 6 Downstream channels with a DOCSIS 3 CMTS to enable faster speeds?

A local tech told me that the speed upgrades wont happen in my area until 2014.



whfsdude
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said by pclover:

What would cause Comcast to stall in my area now?
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Lack of competition. Only the NE Division (NE + Mid-Atlantic) got the upgrades due to being a highly competitive market.

pclover
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Santa Cruz, CA

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That is true for my area. A serious lack of competition here.
Madtown
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Don't worry all CC HSI customers will eventually get the upgrade. I can order the 105m speed if I want and I live in an at&t area.

pclover
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Eventually I guess or maybe not?

JigglyWiggly
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2014?
What? Why would they even upgrade your area if they are going to do that

Where do you live?

I'd be really pissed if 16 megabits was the max. I have 105 and it's still too slow. Was downloading at 14 MB/s and then my ping rose to 600 m/s to google.
I want unlimited bandwidth ;p

At university I can literally have torrents on, dling at 15 MB/s and do a speedtest and still get 400 mb/s

pclover
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Santa Cruz, CA

I guess I just have to deal with it.

JigglyWiggly
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Santa Cruz? And the max speed is 16 megabits? What the heck lol

pclover
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Santa Cruz, CA

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That's Comcast for you in my area. San Jose has full upgrades it seems.

I sent an email to Comcast cares and they called me today. They said they are going to look into it. Doubt they will do anything tho.

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I have a family member who can either get Performance with boosts up to 12 down/2 up or Extreme 105 lol. Nothing in the middle :P.

pclover
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said by Darknessfall:

I have a family member who can either get Docsis 2.0 Performance tier speeds or Extreme 105 lol. Nothing in the middle :P.

On comcast.com for my area they have Extreme 105 listed. It's a Blatant lie.

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They're only one town over from us too. We have U-verse VDSL up to 24 Mbps plus Comcast up to 105 Mbps(305 if we qualify) and they only have Performance with POWERBOOSTS up to 12/2 or AT&T ADSL with 6 down/768k up lol
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You can hardly ever go by the website. My area isn't D3 yet and they show Extreme 50 and 105 available at my address.

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Depend what you use the internet for faster speed is not alway necessary. comcast care how much bandwidth you use due to greed.
My ISP surewest does not charge by the Byte but by the speed tier such as 1mb at 43.99, 10mb 53.99, 18mb 67.99, 30mb 83.99,50mb 153.99 Internet only.
Bundling is cheaper but not by much. with Cable and Phone it can really add up.
I use magic jack for only 69.99 for 5 years a few years back. its now 99.99 for 5 years. again due to greed and no competition.
Paxio and utopia have much better price and is unlimited usage. They are far better service then surewest.
i am at 30mb for 83.99
I prefer 100m for 44.99 by Utopia or 100m for 94.00 dollar by Paxio.
50m for 153.99 is just too much. I know Fiber Optic is capable of 1000m but surewest is only using a fraction of it and is trying to milk us like cows in the same way all monopoly company does.
comcast 22m,50,105m isnt cheap and surewest isnt going to lower their price to compete.
Extreme Tier 50/105 isnt for everyone. its for few who love speed want to pay lots more but isnt using much bandwidth still say 250gb to 300gb otherwise you pay much more.
say 10 dollar for 50gb. 500gb is 100 dollar. 5000gb is 1000 dollars. with surewest 30gb i can use as much like 9999GB per month and the price is still the same.
why pay more for bandwidth that doesn't cost anything to isp? greed. money. more money mean happiness to greedy people. easy money. easy come? easy go?
btw the university is on 1GB connection and its not really 400meg
You feel 105m is slow? what are you downloading that require faster speed? university is faster so you feel 105 is slow?
50m/100m is all most people need even if a family of 4-5 use it.
University is not the same as for residential use so do not compare the difference in speed.

JigglyWiggly
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I know I am being capped by the speedtest servers, and I said I was torrenting at the same time.

Also sure I can compare my internet to university, get google 1gb fiber and that's pretty comparable for what one person could use on university internet. I mean unless they were taking advantage of the whole university internet in which case that's not really fair.

I will wait for Comcast to push 300 mbits on copper.

My friend zubinen keeps showing off about his fios 150. He is going to get their 300megabit plan once it's available to his area. I can't compete D:
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Comcast does not use copper, they use fiber to the node and then it's coaxial cable to the homes.

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said by Madtown:

Comcast does not use copper, they use fiber to the node and then it's coaxial cable to the homes.

Have you ever looked at a coaxial cable? I have, and it certainly looks like copper inside the black plastic covering.



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said by NetFixer:

Have you ever looked at a coaxial cable? I have, and it certainly looks like copper inside the black plastic covering.

Well sometimes it looks like copper-clad steel, but yes the important bits are copper.

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said by Tobin:

said by NetFixer:

Have you ever looked at a coaxial cable? I have, and it certainly looks like copper inside the black plastic covering.

Well sometimes it looks like copper-clad steel, but yes the important bits are copper.

The steel core in RG6 is for strength. The actual RF signal is carried on the copper plating. High powered commercial broadcast cabling to the antenna is often done on hollow copper tubing simply because the inner core is not utilized by RF energy, and a solid copper conductor would just be a waste of metal.

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the only ones who use pure copper is DTV, they say they need it cause of lower loop resistance on the cable between the LNBs and the receiver. i call BS....

cable cos use copper clad steel/aluminum

the 300meg plan is FTTH.

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The primary reason why Santa Cruz is slow to upgrade is the City Government of Santa Cruz. Same as LG over the hill from you, it was at least a year after the valley was upgraded, LG though it might be a good idea to allow Comcast to upgrade. It has nothing to do with "the lack of competition". Comcast just can't go out there and and do their thing with permission and support from the city.
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»www.Cruzio.com has adsl2+ 24-40 Mbps and some faster fiber plans available if you are in range and/or can afford it.
The velocity plans have phone service included.

As for comcasts reasons, I dont believe its all about the city slowing them down as much as franchise agreement contracts.
They can use upgrades as leverage for concessions in thier next 10 year franchise agreements.

pclover
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said by gaforces:

»www.Cruzio.com has adsl2+ 24-40 Mbps and some faster fiber plans available if you are in range and/or can afford it.
The velocity plans have phone service included.

I actually looked at Cruzio but wasn't impressed by there network. Also the phone lines are not good in my apartment.

»as.robtex.com/as11994.html#graph vs »as.robtex.com/as33651.html#graph

Looks like they only have bandwidth from AboveNet and Cogent (Who really sucks)

would mean higher latency
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Its been about 4 years since I was on thier dsl network. It was always low latency at that time.
I'd think its better now with the peering arrangements they have with sonic/hurricane and others.

pclover
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said by gaforces:

Its been about 4 years since I was on thier dsl network. It was always low latency at that time.
I'd think its better now with the peering arrangements they have with sonic/hurricane and others.

It doesn't look like any of there peering agreements have changed. Doing a few traceroutes form looking glasses they all use abovenet or cogent.

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I used to work for Comcast until a layoff in Feb. When I saw what you are seeing, 3 bonded downstream channels it was a configuration issue where Motorola had not setup the CMTS correctly for modems other than their own. My Ubee wasn't able to see the correct channels. Once that was corrected I gained my 4th downstream and had full service. Get a tech out and have them run a home cert to see if it passes at the pole, house box, and modem. It should pass all three.

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said by KNXDude :

I used to work for Comcast until a layoff in Feb. When I saw what you are seeing, 3 bonded downstream channels it was a configuration issue where Motorola had not setup the CMTS correctly for modems other than their own. My Ubee wasn't able to see the correct channels. Once that was corrected I gained my 4th downstream and had full service. Get a tech out and have them run a home cert to see if it passes at the pole, house box, and modem. It should pass all three.

This doesn't help me at all. I have 6 DS Channels on my node but my modem can only bond to 4.

I have 3 Upstream channels which seems pretty common.
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said by whfsdude:

said by pclover:

What would cause Comcast to stall in my area now?
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Lack of competition. Only the NE Division (NE + Mid-Atlantic) got the upgrades due to being a highly competitive market.

not quite true, in midwest (Chicago area) there is 105mb tier available