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JALevinworth

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60 Minutes: Huawei probed for security, espionage risk

"Chinese telecom giant's pursuit of building the next generation of digital networks in the U.S. prompts outcry in Washington. Steve Kroft reports."

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhRmC6QbL6c


Interesting segment last night.

-Jim

jl747

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Here is a report on the House Committees decision.

Chinese Tech Firms Pose Spy Threat: House Report
www.cnbc.com/id/49324353'



KodiacZiller
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I don't know whether Hauwei is spying or not, but I find it hypocritical of the Senate Intelligence Committee when they know full well about the NSA's own program to do exactly what they accuse Hauwei of doing. (William Binney and other former NSA officials have discussed this program in detail. It's the reason Binney resigned).

This is why they are so paranoid; they know how easy it is to spy when you control or subvert the equipment. I have no doubt NSA has exploited the equipment in foreign nations (CryptoAG), and we know for a fact they have done the same in the U.S. with their Narus boxes at AT&T and Verizon switching stations.

I don't trust the Chinese but, sadly, I would rather have them read my e-mail as opposed to my own government.
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JALevinworth

@embarqhsd.net

reply to jl747

said by jl747:

Here is a report on the House Committees decision.

Chinese Tech Firms Pose Spy Threat: House Report
www.cnbc.com/id/49324353'

Thanks for that! Good follow-up.


JALevinworth

@embarqhsd.net

reply to KodiacZiller

said by KodiacZiller:

I don't know whether Hauwei is spying or not, but I find it hypocritical of the Senate Intelligence Committee when they know full well about the NSA's own program to do exactly what they accuse Hauwei of doing.
[snip]
I don't trust the Chinese but, sadly, I would rather have them read my e-mail as opposed to my own government.

Would it okay then if the Chinese (or any county that operates outside of our laws) then gave or sold your emails back to the U.S?

Seriously though, I don't think the concern here is about reading emails (unless you are a government agency or corporate competitor) as much as nefarious control of things such as financial data flows, the power grid, and cyber-warfare. That may be hypocritical of the U.S. too for all we know but it doesn't mean that the U.S. should not protect it's citizens and economy from it either.

-Jim


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reply to JALevinworth
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Velnias

join:2004-07-06

reply to JALevinworth
That's absurd. Huawei and ZTE ships hardware worldwide and only USA see espionage.



jcliff

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reply to JALevinworth
This seems to be more related to a "trade war" more than anything concrete. If they actually had evidence of Huawei doing something bad then we wouldn't need speculation from people.



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reply to Velnias

said by Velnias:

That's absurd. Huawei and ZTE ships hardware worldwide and only USA see espionage.

It may or may not be absurd, but such absurdity must rest squarely on an evaluation of the facts and realities of the situation, not on whether other nations "worldwide" have publicly expressed similar concerns. If the Chinese government/military wanted to use this kind of methodology to backdoor systems in the US for espionage/intel purposes, it's hardly absurd to think they'd also be perfectly willing to ship such systems worldwide as well... and it's likewise hardly absurd to think that other nations might not necessarily be as concerned about it or as publicly revealing about their concerns as the US. Zimbabwe or Indonesia might not care as much as the US... and France or the UK might hold concerns equal with the US but simply not publicly reveal them.

What I do know is that in a centrally-governed, non-representative nation with as much direct government/military involvement in every aspect of life as China, the possibility (or even likelihood) of planting backdoors in communications and computing hardware is a definite risk whose implications must be considered by any nation repeatedly named in China's ideology as being an "enemy". China is not the US. You don't simply start up a big technology company, produce designs, and waltz out into world markets without the Chinese government/PLA reviewing and over-sighting each step of the way. Whether that includes altering designs or inserting back doors remains to be seen... but the proof would be in the hardware/software, in any event.
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reply to JALevinworth
I haven't really gone into the posts here but it seems you are on the same path as EGeezer See Profile posted here, Mr Leivinworth.

Interesting all the same since we have 1 of the companies phones in the house here.
But then I love my electronics, and ironically, paranoid to some extent about all the code free to the Internet out there without going into open source v's patented, OEM and/or closed source; sorry, I'm starting to wander.
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JALevinworth

@embarqhsd.net

said by norwegian:

I haven't really gone into the posts here but it seems you are on the same path as EGeezer See Profile posted here, Mr Leivinworth.

Interesting all the same since we have 1 of the companies phones in the house here.
But then I love my electronics, and ironically, paranoid to some extent about all the code free to the Internet out there without going into open source v's patented, OEM and/or closed source; sorry, I'm starting to wander.

Thanks for that thread, Norwegian. I had not seen it. Also, Please call me Jim.

It's a thought provoking topic here, so wandering thoughts are expected. Considering all the aspects of communications and data flows... hardware manufacturing, firmware, software (including open source you cite), and of course the ramifications of the control of the data itself.. siphoning information is one, but control of data is in itself a whole other ball of wax.

-Jim


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reply to KodiacZiller

said by KodiacZiller:

I don't know whether Hauwei is spying or not, but I find it hypocritical of the Senate Intelligence Committee when they know full well about the NSA's own program to do exactly what they accuse Hauwei of doing.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Whether you find it hypocritical or not, each poses a very real danger.

Not to pick on you personally, but there's a lot of this construct in discussion lately - "yeah, person x did this but person y did it too." That's beside the point. Or to put it another way, your chance of being a victim just doubled.


FF4m3

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reply to JALevinworth
From BusinessWeek - October 08, 2012:

Despite the brouhaha, don’t expect security concerns to derail fast-growing Chinese investment in the U.S., says Thilo Hanemann, research director at the New York-based China-focused consultancy Rhodium Group. Cash-rich Chinese companies are still eager to tap U.S. technology and brands, get access to the skilled American workforce, and take advantage of relatively cheap U.S. assets, he says. Indeed, China is on track to invest up to $8 billion in the U.S. this year, in energy projects, aviation companies, and other projects, including a $2.6 billion deal to buy the AMC theater chain, setting a new record high. By 2020, accumulated Chinese investment could reach as high as $200 billion, employing 400,000 Americans, Hanemann says.



FF4m3

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reply to JALevinworth
From Bloomberg -

Congressional Report on Huawei Smacks of Protectionism - 2012-10-08:

What the report lacks is evidence. It also smacks of protectionism, despite denials by the committee chairman, Michigan Republican Mike Rogers, that he is invoking national security to shield U.S. telecoms equipment companies from Chinese competition.

The companies said they would allow independent audits of hardware and software to ensure that devices and networks are secure. The report concludes that wouldn't work because the "pace of technology development today drives products to evolve far more rapidly than any third-party comprehensive evaluation can follow." Another reason: Vendors and equipment used for maintenance and upgrades would also need to be vetted. Moreover, any flaws intentionally inserted by a determined and clever insider would make the vetting task "virtually impossible."

Wait, wouldn't that apply to, say, Apple iPhones that are made in China? Or any of the millions of other electronic devices made in China that operate or interact with the U.S. telecoms grid?

Flaws and all, the report is likely to play a role in the presidential campaign.



FF4m3

@bhn.net

reply to JALevinworth
From The Wall Street Journal -

Huawei: Congress Aiming To “Impede Competiton” - October 8, 2012:

said by Huawei :

The report released by the Committee today employs many rumors and speculations to prove non-existent accusations. This report does not address the challenges faced by the ICT industry. Almost every ICT firm is conducting R&D, software coding and production activities globally; they share the same supply chain, and the challenges on network security is beyond a company or a country. The Committee’s report completely ignored this fact. We have to suspect that the only purpose of such a report is to impede competition and obstruct Chinese ICT companies from entering the US market….



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said by FF4m3 :

From The Wall Street Journal -

Huawei: Congress Aiming To “Impede Competiton” - October 8, 2012:

said by Huawei :

We have to suspect that the only purpose of such a report is to impede competition and obstruct Chinese ICT companies from entering the US market….

If it's about saving money why stop there?
Just imagine all the money that could be saved if the US military bought all of it's arms/supplies offshore!
Heck, we wouldn't even need a navy or even a maritime industry.
We could just lease whatever we need on a per need basis.


FF4m3

@rr.com

said by Snowy:

said by FF4m3 :

From The Wall Street Journal -

Huawei: Congress Aiming To “Impede Competiton” - October 8, 2012:

said by Huawei :

We have to suspect that the only purpose of such a report is to impede competition and obstruct Chinese ICT companies from entering the US market….

If it's about saving money why stop there?
Just imagine all the money that could be saved if the US military bought all of it's arms/supplies offshore!

Well, not everything, but a substantial percentage of military equipment purchases have been been outsourced for well over a decade.

That decision is now coming back to bite the US big time.


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reply to JALevinworth
Response from China

»online.wsj.com/article/SB1000087···580.html

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siljaline
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reply to JALevinworth
Spies or No Spies, U.S. Companies Should Fear Huawei

Cisco Systems ends ZTE partnership

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More as this develops


Velnias

join:2004-07-06

reply to Blackbird
No doubt chicoms are chicoms only friends. This topic is political or economical, so useless in IT security forum.


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