 pat2k8
join:2000-12-24
Burlington, ON
kudos:1 | reply to pulp46
Re: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data? i wish i could go back and get my bandwidth from my old dd-wrt, i believe this all started when i plugged my 2-wire 2701 in. But because i was under my cap i never noticed, i dont check on a regular basis, until now.
here is the last 6 months atached.
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I'm not calling you a liar. What I'm saying is that how is Bell able to monitor your network traffic? I they were to do that with me, and calculate both download/upload on my inhouse network, I would end-up with 10TO of bandwidth/month.
If I were you, I would check for a trojan installed on 1 or more of your computers. |
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Your friend downloaded tv shows from a usenet server on the internet (alt.binaries.teevee), therefore it counts as billable traffic. the traffic is counted at the CO, not your modem or router. therefore, any internal traffic such as copying files across your home lan doesn't count because bell can't see the traffic and doesn't care even if it could. |
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 kibosh
join:2010-12-16
Whitby, ON | reply to pulp46
Just to throw in my 2 cents. I live in the Toronto area, I have a sagemcom combo router and I can assure you that my LAN traffic is definitely not counted against my bandwidth cap.
I am positive people on this forum would be screaming bloody murder if it did. There would be calls for class action lawsuits and heads would surely roll.  |
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| said by kibosh:There would be calls for class action lawsuits and heads would surely roll.
You'd see $2.17 after plaintiff's lawyer fees.
As long as the plaintiff's lawyers get enough money to satisfy them and the wronged consumers get "something", there would be a pre-trial settlement.
As to the heads rolling part, you can be sure that any 'settlement' Bell would agree to would be for less than what they overcharged, so it would be a net win for Bell.
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Unless the router/modem combo is routing the internal traffic through the internet?
How fast is the data moving through your LAN? |
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8ell they ask how many computers in your house , well maybe they multiply your bill by the number of computers to equal ur real bill  right ? |
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said by realthang :Your friend downloaded tv shows from a usenet server on the internet (alt.binaries.teevee), therefore it counts as billable traffic. the traffic is counted at the CO, not your modem or router. therefore, any internal traffic such as copying files across your home lan doesn't count because bell can't see the traffic and doesn't care even if it could.
Is it even remotely possible that the router config is messed, and the traffic between two computers on the lan actually leave the lan and go out over the internet first?
Mike
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| said by dillyhammer:Is it even remotely possible that the router config is messed, and the traffic between two computers on the lan actually leave the lan and go out over the internet first?
Could there be a configuration option in the router firmware:
"Check here to increase your speed charges" option?
Does the end user use any off-site backup service that sends only the delta's? Something like that would tend to double the amount of transfer used.
The user should run a program like "Little Snitch" (OS x) or a Windows equivalent to see what's actually doing on at the machine level. Wireshark would do the trick too but there's a steep learning curve. |
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| said by MaynardKrebs:Could there be a configuration option in the router firmware:
"Check here to increase your speed charges" option?
LOL. Yeah.
Something has GOT to be up with this though. I don't get it. The modem/router has nothing to do with the calculation of usage, right? It's done at the BAS if I'm not mistaken. That being the case, it stands to reason that if 10GB of lan traffic were initiated by a user and it magically shows up on their usage bill, that traffic had to leave their lan and hit the BAS. It's the simplest explanation, and all things being equal....
Mike
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pat2k8
join:2000-12-24
Burlington, ON
kudos:1 | if 10GB of lan traffic were initiated by a user and it magically shows up on their usage bill, that traffic had to leave their lan and hit the BAS. It's the simplest explanation, and all things being equal....
Mike
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kovy
join:2009-03-26
kudos:8 | said by pat2k8:if 10GB of lan traffic were initiated by a user and it magically shows up on their usage bill, that traffic had to leave their lan and hit the BAS. It's the simplest explanation, and all things being equal....
Mike
I am waiting to test this theory, how crazy is it that my LAN traffic is routing through my BAS? I am open to any help or ideas that will quickly get to the bottom of this. I will be home tomorrow night...... And if it does reach the BAS... then you'd notice speed be limited to your internet connection and the not LAN speed at all. |
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pat2k8
join:2000-12-24
Burlington, ON
kudos:1 | reply to pulp46
As a hypothetical question, what if I had my 2-Wire connected to my LAN and my main PC connected, but using a separate PPPOE connection? If i transfered a file from my home network to this main PC, would it travel through the BAS? is that possible?
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 MJB
join:2012-01-29 | reply to pulp46
why not buy a seperate router and avoid using the bell router/modem |
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It's easy to find out. Take the ip of that other computer on your network, and do a netstat of that ip on your computer. If the network is routed thru the internet, you'll see it right away. |
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said by MJB:why not buy a seperate router and avoid using the bell router/modem
I could certainly do that for him (total noob) but we only go to Toronto on holidays. He's got 2.5 months to sort this out. |
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It won't change anything. |
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MJB
join:2012-01-29 | a seperate router would fix it since the traffic would avoid the bell modem/router
connect any devices which you will be playing media ( ps3) and the pc (server) to the router . disconnect the wan from the router. |
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| This is it, I would like to know what it would fix. The op, except for his excessive bandwidth, has no router problem, therefore he doesn't need a new router. |
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said by kovy:And if it does reach the BAS... then you'd notice speed be limited to your internet connection and the not LAN speed at all.
This is kind of what I was getting at before. Depending on his upstream sync rate, if his LAN streaming traffic was hittng the BAS, he would be having a lot more issues with excessive buffering during playback. (IF indeed it would even work at all)
Remember. Its a 2wire. his MAX upload would be 1088 kb/s. But is probably at 800 kb/s.
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