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Sahkanaga

@direcpc.com

Gen4 satellite location

I would like to switch to Gen4 but I am concerned with satellite location. Right now, with my 7000S HughesNet I am connected to 93W and am looking at 101º with my DirecTV. Anything between them I am OK and outside of 93-101 (like DISH) I am out of luck. So, does anyone know exactly where the Gen4 bird is? Thanks.

C0RR0SIVE

join:2012-06-19
Salvisa, KY


compuguybna

join:2009-06-17
Nashville, TN
reply to Sahkanaga
U39DL shows my location. Pretty neat map there.

Question. 3 beams overlap your area, how do they determine when beam you get on?


grohgreg
Dunno. Ask The Chief

join:2001-07-05
Dawson Springs, KY
Each beam has a SSP (sub-satellite point) that's identified by latitude and longitude. Within each beam are sub-frequencies, part of the frequency re-use scheme. Anyway, the SSP is considered the center of the beam. Your ZIP code has a lat/lon assignment as well. Ideally Hughes tries to match the SSP as close as possible to your lat/lon. Typically your beam and sub-carrier assignment is already on the installer work order when they receive it. In the case of overlapping coverages, the ideal assignment is that places your ZIP closest to a SSP.

The fly in this ointment is that ZIP code data base reflects the lat/lon of the post office building. So in many cases, a rural dish location might actually be miles away from the ZIP lat/lon that Hughes relies upon for assignment.

//greg//
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HN7000S - 98cm Prodelin/2w "pure" Osiris - ProPlus - G16/1001H - NOC:GTN - NAT 67.142.115.130 - Gateway 66.82.25.10 - DNS 66.82.4.12 and 66.82.4.8 - Firefox 15/MSIE9 - AV/Firewalled by NIS2012

laserfan

join:2005-01-14
Texas
said by grohgreg:

The fly in this ointment is that ZIP code data base reflects the lat/lon of the post office building. So in many cases, a rural dish location might actually be miles away from the ZIP lat/lon that Hughes relies upon for assignment.

These days everybody has a GPS of some sort and can accurately provide their lat/lon--I wonder why HN wouldn't work by this? Or at least that tech-installers would use accurate data?

My USPS is 12 miles away. And when I gave HN's Gen4 rep my ZIP he said "no Gen4 for you" at least not Yet.



grohgreg
Dunno. Ask The Chief

join:2001-07-05
Dawson Springs, KY
said by laserfan:


These days everybody has a GPS of some sort and can accurately provide their lat/lon--I wonder why HN wouldn't work by this?

Too much work. What we're talking about here is "front office" work. Bean pushers. There are only three ways that could happen:
(a) if they required GPS coordinates from the customer at the time of application
(b) if they permitted the installer to actually determine the beam and sub carrier
(c) if they went to the trouble of actually figuring out the lat/lon of the applicant's service address

So given that they don't trust the customer, and they don't trust the installer - do you think they're actually going to pull out a calculator themselves? Nope, they take the easy (but often inaccurate) ZIP code method. But laziness is not exclusive to Hughes, they just happen to be the current target of opportunity.

//greg//
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HN7000S - 98cm Prodelin/2w "pure" Osiris - ProPlus - G16/1001H - NOC:GTN - NAT 67.142.115.130 - Gateway 66.82.25.10 - DNS 66.82.4.12 and 66.82.4.8 - Firefox 15/MSIE9 - AV/Firewalled by NIS2012

frontsite

join:2012-10-11
reply to laserfan
With the new gen4 you get gps cords. enter them in to get elevation, skew, and az to settings to tweak dish at the spot of the dish

laserfan

join:2005-01-14
Texas
reply to Sahkanaga
I called HN the first day for "early signup" and was told I was not eligible, despite that I am right smack-dab in the middle of one of their targets. When I pressed them, they indicated they were bringing-on areas a few at a time, and to "hang in there" and that it would be available in the future.

Of course, they don't have a "waiting list" I can be on, so I guess I'm stuck with calling them periodically to see if they turned-on the area pointed at my house (almost smack-dab between San Antonio and Austin). I'da thunk a good longterm customer with money to spend might be of interest to them, but I guess not...


stardust3

join:2012-09-08
united state
Don't feel bad. As an installer I did a new install today for a customer on spaceway. I had the order last week & called the customer the night before & asked why they weren't going on gen4, they called on the 3rd I believe. Anyhow they canceled that order. So yesterday I did a gen4 upgrade less than 2 miles from their house, same zip code, got home & checked my schedule for today & they were back on for today for a spaceway install. Pre called to confirm & customer stated hughes claims gen4 is not available in their area. They were frustrated by the endless phone calls & broke down to finally settle with a 9000 modem. Pretty sad imo.

C0RR0SIVE

join:2012-06-19
Salvisa, KY
I feel sorry for some those customers... Then again, if it's in texas, chances are then HN9000 unit they are on might be sent to a "Gen4" package once the transition is complete. Still won't be as fast as HT1000, nor have as little delay in latency as the Gen4 bird, but... Beats having nothing I guess.

laserfan

join:2005-01-14
Texas
said by C0RR0SIVE:

...if it's in texas, chances are then HN9000 unit they are on might be sent to a "Gen4" package once the transition is complete. Still won't be as fast as HT1000, nor have as little delay in latency as the Gen4 bird, but... Beats having nothing I guess.

Your post reminds me that when I called to pre-order Gen4, they told me "HN9000 and [whatever the reduced speed is with that]" and I said "but that's not Gen4" i.e. except that I was (somewhat) Gen4 savvy, another customer might have "upgraded" without having gotten Gen4 at all.

BTW is the dish itself, and the feed horn or whatever it's called, the same between my HN7000S (originally Direcway upgraded), the HN9000, and the newest HT1000? Had I "upgraded" only to HN9000, would that have meant a new dish, so that later I could just upgrade the modem to HT1000 (and re-point) to get Gen4?


grohgreg
Dunno. Ask The Chief

join:2001-07-05
Dawson Springs, KY
reply to frontsite
said by frontsite:

With the new gen4 you get gps cords.

But did you bother to ask yourself where those numbers came from? "GPS cords" are numbers that represent latitude and longitude. Just like lat/lon derived from the ZIP code data base.

//greg//
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HN7000S - 98cm Prodelin/2w "pure" Osiris - ProPlus - G16/1001H - NOC:GTN - NAT 67.142.115.130 - Gateway 66.82.25.10 - DNS 66.82.4.12 and 66.82.4.8 - Firefox 15/MSIE9 - AV/Firewalled by NIS2012


grohgreg
Dunno. Ask The Chief

join:2001-07-05
Dawson Springs, KY
reply to laserfan
The way I read it, HN7000S upgrade customers get everything new except the mount, cable, and grounds (assuming any/all are serviceable). HN9000 upgrade customers keep that stuff too, plus the reflector.

//greg//
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HN7000S - 98cm Prodelin/2w "pure" Osiris - ProPlus - G16/1001H - NOC:GTN - NAT 67.142.115.130 - Gateway 66.82.25.10 - DNS 66.82.4.12 and 66.82.4.8 - Firefox 15/MSIE9 - AV/Firewalled by NIS2012

stardust3

join:2012-09-08
united state
reply to Sahkanaga
If it is a prodelin dish, only the boom arm needs swapped out. Anything other requires a complete dish swap.


grohgreg
Dunno. Ask The Chief

join:2001-07-05
Dawson Springs, KY
said by stardust3:

If it is a prodelin dish,

Clarification; that's true only for the Prodelin Ka-dish. Prodelin Ku-dishes (like mine) cannot be reused

//greg//
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HN7000S - 98cm Prodelin/2w "pure" Osiris - ProPlus - G16/1001H - NOC:GTN - NAT 67.142.115.130 - Gateway 66.82.25.10 - DNS 66.82.4.12 and 66.82.4.8 - Firefox 15/MSIE9 - AV/Firewalled by NIS2012

pvtpilot94
System
Premium
join:2001-11-23
Bucyrus, OH
reply to Sahkanaga
would the Raven dish need to be completely replaced?


grohgreg
Dunno. Ask The Chief

join:2001-07-05
Dawson Springs, KY
said by pvtpilot94:

would the Raven dish need to be completely replaced?

You addressed the OP, and it's unlikely he'd know. My guess is that the Gen4 feed arm and strut mounts are only compatible with the Prodelin.

//greg//
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HN7000S - 98cm Prodelin/2w "pure" Osiris - ProPlus - G16/1001H - NOC:GTN - NAT 67.142.115.130 - Gateway 66.82.25.10 - DNS 66.82.4.12 and 66.82.4.8 - Firefox 15/MSIE9 - AV/Firewalled by NIS2012