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Paolo
Mr. Wireless

join:2004-05-29
canada
reply to Kalford

Re: [Rant] Ontario Photo ID card now available at more locations

just to clarify, i was never refused entry, i was allowed entry. the bouncer was so embarrased he no longer asks new patrons for their health card because of the letter i have shown him, he actually discussed with his supervisor and they no longer do that, i was going to show him my drivers licence, but i was not holding onto it, so i would have had to leave the lineup and back to the car to get it, but he let me in anyways. there you go, hope that clarifys everything.

secondly, the licence says valid photo id only,this is my expired licence, the ministry confirmed i can use it for valid photo identification, only my driving privledges were expired, not the id itself. they can not refuse you because your licence card is past the expiry date, that just means you cant drive, the ID is still valid to identify you, the ministry clerk confirmed this with me
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elwoodblues
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said by TLS2000:

said by elwoodblues:

There is no requirement in law to show any ID unless driving where upon request I must identify myself with a drivers license. If stopped by a police officer,I can volunteer the information, but again no law says I have to.

If they suspect that you've committed a crime, they can demand your ID even if you're walking down the street. Failure to provide ID can result in incarceration.

I have a problem with that, its not of your GD business who I am.
If you suspect I've committed a crime, you better have evidence to arrest me, because frankly I'll sue the crap out of them afterwards.
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elwoodblues
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Under the HTA, when riding a bicycle, it says all you have do is identify yourself correctly, but don't have to offer up any proof such as a drivers license.

MaynardKrebs
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reply to simon726
Don't remember the details, but couldn't you get a 'government' Age of Majority card with your photo on it? Proof that you were legal drinking age.


TLS2000
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reply to Paolo
said by Paolo:

secondly, the licence says valid photo id only,this is my expired licence, the ministry confirmed i can use it for valid photo identification, only my driving privledges were expired, not the id itself. they can not refuse you because your licence card is past the expiry date, that just means you cant drive, the ID is still valid to identify you, the ministry clerk confirmed this with me

Again, any place requesting ID can refuse you entry for any reason at any time. The casino's in Ontario will not accept an expired drivers licence and will require you to show them the temp permit with it. Please don't try to tell me otherwise. This is what I do for a living.

As per the AGCO, ID must be current (not expired) or it is considered invalid. Now when you consider that the AGCO regulates EVERYTHING in Ontario that requires you to produce photo ID to prove your age, those are the guidelines that must be followed.

Proof: »www.agco.on.ca/pdfs/en/tip_sheets/3056.pdf
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TLS2000
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Police can detain you for the purpose of obtaining your identity if they suspect a crime has been committed and have reasonable grounds to believe you may have participated.

They can also detain you while they investigate if they have reasonable grounds to believe that you have direct knowledge of the crime.

Also, they can demand your ID for the purpose of issuing a ticket. For instance, if you jaywalk they can certainly ask you for ID.
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Paolo
Mr. Wireless

join:2004-05-29
canada
reply to TLS2000
TLS thanks but that arguement has NOTHING to do with my post. please stop bringing it up, its irrelivant. Refusal for valid ID vs refusal for ANY OTHER REASON is 2 different things here, weather you want to believe it or not. I have never stepped into a casino, and the one time i did, i was never carded, mind you i do not look like a 12 year old so they have no reason to ask me for id. not sure who the ARGO is, and what they do, but if they refuse someone because their driving privledges are "expired" but they can clearly tell the persons age based on the information on the card, all that tells me is they are simply being pricks. they have the information they just want to be a prick about it, but thats not the discussion for this thread, thats for another thread, cus i first have to find out who the AGCO (spelling?) is and what they do?
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simon726

join:2006-12-21
Ajax, ON
reply to MaynardKrebs
said by MaynardKrebs:

Don't remember the details, but couldn't you get a 'government' Age of Majority card with your photo on it? Proof that you were legal drinking age.

Well, there used to be an "Age of Majority" many years ago - like 20 years ago. However those were phased out in favour of the BYID cards issued by the LCBO.

It's "sole" purpose is to purchase alcohol in the province of Ontario. However the card is only valid for Ontario residents aged 19 and 35. After 35, you cannot apply for it.


TLS2000
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Listen man, claiming my argument is invalid because you're ignorant doesn't make me wrong.

"Valid photo card only" means it MUST be accompanied by the temp licence or it is invalid. Claiming otherwise is just spreading misinformation.

AGCO is the Alcohol and Gaming Commission of Ontario. They are the ones that regulate what ID is acceptable for a person to use in Ontario for the purposes of buying alcohol or tobacco, or claiming lottery or casino winnings.

They aren't refusing entry based on driving privileges being expired, they're refusing entry based on the FACT that an expired drivers licence is no longer valid ID in Ontario.

Again, ID can be refused for any reason whatsoever, solely at the discretion of the person asking for it.
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Paolo
Mr. Wireless

join:2004-05-29
canada
i dont have a temp licence, i have no licence i cant provide a temp licence right now
Expand your moderator at work


loosedobbs

join:2006-06-13
Toronto
reply to simon726

Re: [Rant] Ontario Photo ID card now available at more locations

"Expired ID documents are not acceptable (with the exception of an Ontario driver’s licence or Ontario enhanced driver’s licence that is expired less than one year)."

»www.ontario.ca/en/services_for_r···492.html