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McBrain
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join:2010-05-06
Kalimdor
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reply to Lothario

Re: [Raiding] Pride and Ego (Nathrezim) hits level 25!!

I tried a shiesty little trick of letting one spawn on me, then Iceblocking to wait out the three second detonation timer...and that didn't work...it seemed like the timer didn't start until I came out of Iceblock, it sucked.

One concern I have is that the description in the dungeon journal says it does 340k damage in a 7 yard radius...I definitely didn't see it hitting that hard, even when I didn't have my Ice Barrier up (absorbs 85k). Also, is that damage split, or is it equal to everyone?
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Lothario

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With all the self heals everyone has now it shouldn't be much of am issue.


McBrain
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Outside of my barrier, the only self heal I have is Rune of Power, which returns 1% of my max health per second, but I've gotta be standing in the rune for it to work.

One of the things I noticed is that we weren't coordinated enough when two people got chained. I think we should designate people to either move too their partner or stay still, so we don't have people running around all crazy.

Example, I am able to cover a lot of ground very quickly with blink, therefore if I get chained, it is more logical for me to move to my partner than for them to move to me. Muzzle can ghostwolf, the Hunters can disengage (not ideal, but you get the idea). The healers and melee dps should not run to their chain partners, they should stand their ground and let their counterpart come to them, Immer should be casting Leap of Faith on his chains partner. To piggyback off this, we should also designate what direction to move in when you and your partner have a cobalt mine planted under you. I personally move to the right for some reason, so my partner and I should be on the same page with this.

One more thing. Please, for the love of God, do not stand in melee range if you aren't hitting the boss with your sword or attached to a melee dps via a Jasper Chain. There is no reason for anyone other than clawfury, Tiermordius, and Furius(and his chain partner) to be in the boss's hitbox.

Set your range finder to /range 10 and try to keep your circle green until you get chained. When you get chained, you should have one dot in your circle, your chains partner. Period.

Once we can follow these pretty simple guidelines, get our "tank swaps" down, and pick up the DPS a little, we should be good to go.

That's just my 2 copper, if anyone has any response or further input, please voice your opinion. It's the only way we will loot those purple pixels. 10 quiet people won't kill raid bosses.
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Name's Ash...Housewares.


Immer
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reply to Lothario
said by Lothario:

With all the self heals everyone has now it shouldn't be much of am issue.

If that were the only dmg going out I would agree. There is a lot of AoE dmg in the fight... everyone has to be careful about the dmg they eat intentionally.

said by McBrain:

I tried a shiesty little trick of letting one spawn on me, then Iceblocking to wait out the three second detonation timer...and that didn't work...it seemed like the timer didn't start until I came out of Iceblock, it sucked.

One concern I have is that the description in the dungeon journal says it does 340k damage in a 7 yard radius...I definitely didn't see it hitting that hard, even when I didn't have my Ice Barrier up (absorbs 85k). Also, is that damage split, or is it equal to everyone?

It is a 3 sec. activation period (just like hunter traps, only a little longer). I saw the same thing in the dungeon journal and was very confused by the dmg. Usually it will say if the dmg is shared, but it doesn't. I'm starting to believe it is, though... We really should have tried staying in a tight group and just eating it for one round.

And yeah, I used leap of faith on muzz when he was clear across the room. the issue with chains isn't so much getting the 2 people together as much as it was keeping together as they avoided ground effects.

I'm going to be looking through WoL parses today to see where else we were falling short... well, when I can find breaks at work, that is.
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Lothario

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reply to McBrain
btw Frost is #1 theoretical dps spec for mages.....


DarkLogix
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I solo qued LFR (figured the first few weeks might have a larger number of good players than late DS runs did.

It was a full clear of the 3 bosses available in LFR.
For the first 2 I was top dps, (only by a little) and forgot about my rune on the 1st boss.

Annoyingly I used one of my charms on the 1st boss (forgetting that it didn't have anything for me (atleast in LFR)

then used a charm on the 2nd boss (I got a neck and chest (nether were clear upgrades)) The neck was lower ilvl then the VP one and the chest was the same ilvl but with a red socket instead of a blue, and I didn't feel like having to re-gem and enchant (though maybe I should have considered it more.)


McBrain
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reply to Lothario
I see that on Noxxic right now. (it's changed since last time I looked)

--t14 BiS--
Frost: 104577
Arcane: 102906
Fire: 101676

I reckon it all depends on what you're most comfortable with. I've never even looked at Frost, tbh. I think I'd fail miserably at it.

For this fight tonight I'm gonna stay Arcane and maybe swap out Frost Bomb for Living Bomb or Nether Tempest. I think Living Bomb would probably be the best dps in this particular scenario, I'll have to try and look something up to find out for sure.

Also, last night I ran a LFR with an Aff Lock that destroyed Stone Guard (soul swap will do that, I guess). He pulled ~90k, so I looked him up on the armory after we finished, and he had a 496 ilvl helm from the last boss in Heart of Fear...I thought that raid hadn't even been released yet, any idea on how he got it?

His name is Justus, Worgen Warlock, Proudmoore, Non Combat Pets is his guild.
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Immer
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Galleon, Salyis's Warband can drop it. Another reason we should be trying to take down these world bosses each week... especially with the gear being so restrictive.


McBrain
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reply to DarkLogix
I saw on WoL last night that Fire Mages were pulling almost 180k DPS on Stone Guard in LFR...multi dotting basturds!

I learned absolutely nothing from doing LFR last night. Stone Guard mechanics were completely ignored. The second guy's were paid attention to slightly, i.e. stay far from epicenter, move out of fire, and the third guy's was ignored completely too...95% of my time was spent standing in one spot, refreshing my rune, and shooting pinkish purple lazorz at bad guys' faces.
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Immer
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Yeah, LFR is loot roulette... and cliff's notes for lore. Not real raiding.


DarkLogix
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Yep, though look at the loot tables before burning a charm.

It might not be worth it to burn a charm on a boss that doesn't have anything for you or you already have epics in those slots.


DarkLogix
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Also I got 2 items toward the legendary.

I think even though blizz doesn't want to admit it LFR is mandatory for people wanting to work on it (right now LFR+reg = 9 chances to get items for the legendary.)


McBrain
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Man, I didn't get crap from LFR but gold...you guys are lucky.


DarkLogix
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I got the legendary item off the 2nd and 3rd boss.
and a neck and chest off the 2nd boss (which I DE'ed after the run)

Learned my lesson check the loot tables before burning a charm.

Also I already have the black prince at honored so I just need 10 of legendary item 1 and 10 of item 2.

As I haven't killed anything in reg yet does it give black prince rep? or is that just going to wait till 5.1?


McBrain
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For the charm, do I just turn in 90 lessers to get one, then it'll give me an option for another roll on a boss kill?

I really hope the chances of getting loot are 100% when using them...it seems like an epic waste if it's not. I mean it takes 45 dailies to get one, and for people like me, that's 2-3 days of questing.


Immer
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It's a repeatable quest from one of the quest givers at the bottom of the temple of stairs. I like having the quest so that I see the numbers progress after each daily I complete. I haven't used any yet.


mettachain
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reply to McBrain
It's not a guarantee for loot. I used a Charm last Tuesday on the Stone Guardians in 10m Vaults and got 28g. Two others in the raid got the same thing too. Was an epic fail.

However, the next two bosses I hit the Dice and actually got gear from the Token roll.
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McBrain
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reply to Immer
Yeah, I have the quest, but haven't collected 90 lesser charms (I'm at like 80).

You get an option when a boss dies to basically get another roll, correct?

You talk about someone who will be pissed, let me use a charm and not get some loot. I'll blow my top for doing all those quests to get the charm for nothing.
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Immer
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said by McBrain:

You talk about someone who will be pissed, let me use a charm and not get some loot. I'll blow my top for doing all those quests to get the charm for nothing.

I hear that! I think you get 3 from the quest turn-in... but still... RAGE!


DarkLogix
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reply to McBrain
Its possible to not get loot.

I wasted a charm on the 1st boss in LFR (it doesn't have any loot for me on the table anyway) and I got some gold.

I think the odds are good for getting loot but not if the boss just doesn't have anything for you.

(look at the dungeon journal, dig down to the boss then click on the loot tab, now go to filter and filter it for your class and spec)

Also set the dungeon journal to the difficulty you're looting.

For the 1st boss in LFR it goes blank for mages.


DarkLogix
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reply to Immer
said by Immer:

said by McBrain:

You talk about someone who will be pissed, let me use a charm and not get some loot. I'll blow my top for doing all those quests to get the charm for nothing.

I hear that! I think you get 3 from the quest turn-in... but still... RAGE!

Yep you get 3 per turn in and can only turn in once per week.

Currently I have over 280 lesser charms so as soon as I pick up the quest I turn it in now.

I wasted 2 charms last night so I only have 4.

again CHECK the LOOT table for the boss (is its LFR you might check it before queing, if its reg then I think till everyone's aware of what boss drops their stuff the RL should give a sec for people to open the dungeon journal and sort it to that boss and difficulty and filter it for their class and spec.


Immer
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said by DarkLogix:

again CHECK the LOOT table for the boss (is its LFR you might check it before queing, if its reg then I think till everyone's aware of what boss drops their stuff the RL should give a sec for people to open the dungeon journal and sort it to that boss and difficulty and filter it for their class and spec.

gotcha.


Jobbie
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reply to DarkLogix
I used my 3 charms last night on LFR and I got healing legs out of the second boss I think is not worth it to save them since there is only 3 bosses per week and its really easy to get 90 on a week,
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DarkLogix
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You can use them on reg and heroic too.

and there will be 6 bosses in LFR next week

Then when T14.5 hits with the other 2 raids there will be a total of 18 bosses per week with LFR opening 1 week delayed from the raid and in 2 parts, also a week delayed.

so you should be careful as to where you use them as you can only have 10 max at a time. (IMO it should be 12 as you get them in sets of 3.)

So this week there are 9 bosses you could use them on (not sure about the world bosses) and next week a total of 12, so saving is a good idea.


Jobbie
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How does it work for regular raids when there is a loot master?

You get an independent roll?
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DarkLogix
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Yep its a personal roll outside of the ML control.

you kill the boss the extra UI will open.

So once you're doing some heroic bosses you might want to save the charms for heroic kills, but always be at 7 by the end of Monday so you can do the turn in and get all 3 from the turn in.


Jobbie
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Good call, I will start saving mine for now I am glad I got a epic piece from 1 of 3 charms since the chance is not that high i think i got lucky.
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DarkLogix
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So in T14.5 you'll have a total of 36 bosses per week to use them on.

Next week the 2nd half of LFR opens then I think its suppost to be a month or so till the other 2 raids open and a week after than part 1 LFR for them then a week and part 2, then part1 of raid3 then part2. (remember the 3rd raid requires clearing the 2nd raid so I'm sure those 12 bosses will all be opened over 4 weeks for LFR.


DarkLogix
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said by Jobbie:

Good call, I will start saving mine for now I am glad I got a epic piece from 1 of 3 charms since the chance is not that high i think i got lucky.

You might want to check the loot tables for the bosses because I know the 1st one doesn't have anything for mages. so a smiler oversight might have been made.


McBrain
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reply to mettachain
Well, then...since I didn't have any charms for LFR this week, I didn't get the chance to piss them away. That's good, I guess.

Dark, I didn't look at the LFR loot table, but I'm fairly positive there's a belt for Mages in 10N off Stone Guard.

And to bring the conversation back to the tailoring patterns from yesterday, I was able to make 4 Imperial Silk, and should be able to make the 6 more I will need over the next 3 or 4 days it'll take me to get the 4700 more reputation I need to buy the pattern for gloves and chest.

Also, I've reached Friendly with Golden Lotus on Monday, and the Mistfall Village daily hub wasn't open for me yesterday...is there something I missed when it comes to accessing it? I did the Golden Pagoda hub, then the hub down by the water where I had to kill the elite, and that was it...nothing more available to me. I ended up getting just over 1200 rep from those two places yesterday, and would like to have another hub to get another 600-800 per day if I could.
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McBrain#1430

Name's Ash...Housewares.