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dennismurphy
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Re: Using Dry Ice for Cooling backup for refrigerator?

said by Bob4:

How much higher do you want your electric rates to be to pay for what's necessary to avoid such outages?

Same rate PSE&G customers pay. Why can they achieve it at a similar rate but JCP&L can't?

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said by dennismurphy:

said by Bob4:

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did you not see the huge shitstorm on the news about their storm response and the week plus outages last October?

Sure, and my question is: How much higher do you want your electric rates to be to pay for what's necessary to avoid such outages? Having extra people and equipment available to handle once-in-a-decade outages costs a lot of money.

That's a complete BS answer ... PSE&G has no problem providing extra equipment and manpower.... And indeed, they are (rightfully) proud of their reliability record.

I'm stuck in JCP&L territory, and they are a third-world energy company. Wish it were PSE&G.

exactly. my M.I.L. has PSE&G and pays lower rates for much better service.

.........and these outages aren't "once in a decade". they are several times a year. i can recall at least 15 times where i have lost power for a day or longer in my 7 years in JCP&L' s crappy service.

and just for the record, i am in a development. not in a shack in the middle of nowhere.

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said by Bob4:

How much higher do you want your electric rates to be to pay for what's necessary to avoid such outages?

A vast majority of the outages in our area are caused by trees or limbs that fall on power lines. The lines seldom ever fail on their own.

The cure to power outages is a Stihl chainsaw but most people don't find that acceptable.
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Oh, because Union County looks just like Sussex County, right?

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said by Bob4:

Oh, because Union County looks just like Sussex County, right?

thank God, no. but to each their own.

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...............and the list goes on. i guess you're the exception to the norm. By the way, my entire area had the chainsaw weilding masses come through, and reliability still sucks. i thank them for all the free firewood though

anyway, back on topic...................

dennismurphy
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said by Bob4:

Oh, because Union County looks just like Sussex County, right?

I'm in Morris County, but thanks for playing.

No excuses. JCP&L has spent many years running at bare minimums and delaying necessary improvements. It's now coming home to roost.

Meanwhile, PS&G continually invests in infrastructure, and it shows.

I stand by my statement - JCP&L is a third-world energy company. They absolutely suck.

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said by dennismurphy:

I stand by my statement - JCP&L is a third-world energy company. They absolutely suck.

you are being too kind LOL.
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Urban areas have more customers and fewer trees per street mile. So PSE&G has more money and fewer trees. OK? You got it? Understand? It's not complicated.

So answer the question: How much more do you want to pay?

Except the the east coast blackout several years ago (2004??), power here has never been off more than 4 hours.

Oh, and your beloved PSE&G kept me in the cold for two days with natural gas trouble. It was JCP&L's electric and a couple portable heaters that kept us warm.

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What I have and use is not gallon jugs, but 2 liter bottles for ice ballast. They fit a bit better and work just fine. One thing to also do to prevent them from splitting (this goes for the gallon jugs as well) is to fill them to about 1.5" from the top, then squeeze them to expel the extra air and cap.

Also if you add 1-2 oz of denatured alcohol to them it will reduce their freezing point causing it to stay below freezing as it thaws out. this will help keep frozen food frozen. If you do that just be sure to mark the bottles so you don't use them for drinking water after they are thawed.

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read: JERSEY CITY power & light.

2 days isn't 10+ without power.
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OK, how much more do you want to pay?

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In 1978/9 new years we had one of the worst ice storms you can have.

The point here is that DFW became a model of tree trimming around power lines.

I can't remember how many days people went without power but at least 4.

People get so possessive about their trees but they rarely realize how it affects others, It's a chain.

I honest believe there should be rules about any power lines with trees.

People here complain and whine on TV because their tree(s) were trimmed too much. THESE THINGS GROW BACK

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Re: Using Dry Ice for Cooling backup for refrigerator?

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I can't remember how many days people went without power but at least 4.

In 1998, some people in Quebec went without power for 6 WEEKS.

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said by Bob4:

Urban areas have more customers and fewer trees per street mile. So PSE&G has more money and fewer trees. OK? You got it? Understand? It's not complicated.

Because Mahwah is urban, right? Understand? Not complicated.

If urban areas = more money = more maintenance, explain why jcpl's system in Morristown keeps exploding.

So answer the question: How much more do you want to pay?

what pseg customers pay ... No more than that.

Except the the east coast blackout several years ago (2004??), power here has never been off more than 4 hours.

8 days, October 2011.

Oh, and your beloved PSE&G kept me in the cold for two days with natural gas trouble. It was JCP&L's electric and a couple portable heaters that kept us warm.

Not talking about gas.

Pseg covers much more than Newark, you know.
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said by dennismurphy:

So answer the question: How much more do you want to pay?

what pseg customers pay ... No more than that.

Then you'll never get the improvements you want.

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said by Bob4:

OK, how much more do you want to pay?

what PSE&G customers pay. and i want the same reliability they get.

did i mention to you my MIL pays LESS than i do for her PSE&G?

enough troll bait. IGNORED
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said by quitaccount:

said by Bob4:

OK, how much more do you want to pay?

what PSE&G customers pay. and i want the same reliability they get.

Sorry, you ain't gonna get it for that price.

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enough troll bait. IGNORED

+1
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Funny how people always want something for free.

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said by Bob4:

Funny how people always want something for free.

No, I don't want something for free. I want my power company to live up to their obligation in providing reliable power. Just as the other incumbent in NJ does.

I'm done. You can argue the cost chestnut all you want - it doesn't hold water and you know it. I've repeated several times why but each time I show you why you're wrong, you change your argument.

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said by dennismurphy:

I want my power company to live up to their obligation in providing reliable power.

1. That will cost more money.

2. There is no uptime guarantee. (Just like your Internet service.)