 Simba7I Void Warranties
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Billings, MT | Like I said in another thread.. The same could be told about Microsoft, Cisco, Juniper, and several other U.S. companies. Is there NSA-approved spyware part of the Windows OS? What about Cisco and Juniper, both U.S. networking equipment companies?
Not to mention this just *NOW* popped up? Now long have we been utilizing Chinese-developed gear without issues? |
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| said by Simba7:The same could be told about Microsoft, Cisco, Juniper, and several other U.S. companies. Is there NSA-approved spyware part of the Windows OS? What about Cisco and Juniper, both U.S. networking equipment companies?
Not to mention this just *NOW* popped up? Now long have we been utilizing Chinese-developed gear without issues?
This all boils down to where the companies originated, nothing more. As Karl noted, it's simple protectionism. |
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1 edit | said by AnonFTW :said by Simba7:The same could be told about Microsoft, Cisco, Juniper, and several other U.S. companies. Is there NSA-approved spyware part of the Windows OS? What about Cisco and Juniper, both U.S. networking equipment companies?
Not to mention this just *NOW* popped up? Now long have we been utilizing Chinese-developed gear without issues?
This all boils down to where the companies originated, nothing more. As Karl noted, it's simple protectionism. Karl is wrong. It is much more than simple protectionism. The US had put spyware(HW, Firmware, Software) in equipment sold overseas for years. Why do you thing the House Committee on Intelligence is so suspicious? They know for a fact how easy that is to do. China has used industrial espionage and military espionage against the US for years. Why should the US make that even easier to do by dealing with so-called private Chinese companies like Huawei & ZTE that are not so secretly controlled by the Chinese military.
It is one thing to allow spying thru the purchase of Chinese smartphones, modems, etc. But allowing them to control the backbone infrastructure that supports nuke plants, electric companies, gas companies. oil refineries, railroads, etc would be insanity.
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Any proof?
I work in the defense security industry and I've never heard of wholesale inclusion of any sort of spying mechanism in equipment sold to foreign entities. In specialized cases sure, that happens all the time. But nothing wholesale ... there is simply too much risk for discovery. |
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Memo to Congress:
That mike you are speaking into was made in China and it's bugged.
It's about time the US is practicing old skool mercantilism. It's what made every industrial power great.
In any case I have zero doubt that this is a national security issue. |
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said by AnonFTW :Any proof?
I work in the defense security industry and I've never heard of wholesale inclusion of any sort of spying mechanism in equipment sold to foreign entities. In specialized cases sure, that happens all the time. But nothing wholesale ... there is simply too much risk for discovery.
Did I say anything about wholesale? Nice try at avoiding the subject. It has been done and is being done all the time. » www.cbsnews.com/8301-502223_162-···hnology/You don't think the US isn't putting in back doors on the stuff we are selling here? --
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said by Simba7:Now long have we been utilizing Chinese-developed gear without issues? "Chinese-developed" is a total minomer. They outright steal all of the designs that they sell. The reason their prices are so cheap is because Cisco is their entire R&D department. |
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said by AnonFTW :Any proof?
I work in the defense security industry and I've never heard of wholesale inclusion of any sort of spying mechanism in equipment sold to foreign entities. In specialized cases sure, that happens all the time. But nothing wholesale ... there is simply too much risk for discovery.
That's what I think. All they would be able to do is redirect traffic and that would get caught pretty quickly.
All things considered, compromising actually host pc/servers will provide much higher quality of information.
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said by Linklist:said by AnonFTW :Any proof?
I work in the defense security industry and I've never heard of wholesale inclusion of any sort of spying mechanism in equipment sold to foreign entities. In specialized cases sure, that happens all the time. But nothing wholesale ... there is simply too much risk for discovery.
Did I say anything about wholesale? Nice try at avoiding the subject. It has been done and is being done all the time. » www.cbsnews.com/8301-502223_162-···hnology/You don't think the US isn't putting in back doors on the stuff we are selling here? I'm not avoiding the subject, I think you're looking at the IC conclusion with too narrow a view.
Let me ask it another way.
Why should Huawei and ZTE not be allowed to sell to the American consumer? |
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kudos:5 | said by AnonFTW :Why should Huawei and ZTE not be allowed to sell to the American consumer?
Because they are controlled by Chinese government, which is still pursuing an economic war against the US.
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Because they are controlled by Chinese government, which is still pursuing an economic war against the US. the chinese won the war bud bend over and kiss it.... |
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said by Linklist:said by AnonFTW :Why should Huawei and ZTE not be allowed to sell to the American consumer?
Because they are controlled by Chinese government, which is still pursuing an economic war against the US. There was an excellent segment on 60 Minutes concerning the link between the Founder of wahway (whatever) and the Communist party. Very interesting piece.
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said by Linklist:said by AnonFTW :Why should Huawei and ZTE not be allowed to sell to the American consumer?
Because they are controlled by Chinese government, which is still pursuing an economic war against the US. Huh, you do know that borrow billions from China? They don't need a war with us. They got us by the proverbial balls already. You can thank the Dems and Republicans for that. |
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| said by sandman_1:Huh, you do know that borrow billions from China? They don't need a war with us. They got us by the proverbial balls already. You can thank the Dems and Republicans for that.
Umm, no, they do not. All we have to do is default and both our economies would be hurting but theirs would be devastated since all their monetary security would be wiped out. |
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said by AnonFTW :This all boils down to where the companies originated, nothing more. As Karl noted, it's simple protectionism.
Call it roundism, squareism, triangleism, octagonalism etc...
I've no problem with whatever label is placed on a security issue.
The eventual outcome is neither here nor there too.
The point is that when you blow into town you're scrutinized with a fine tooth comb before you're given the keys to the city. |
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Yea keep on thinking that. I hope it makes you feel all safe and cozy at night. |
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Billings, MT | reply to sandman_1
said by sandman_1:They got us by the proverbial balls already. You can thank the Dems and Republicans for that. No, you can thank the people for that. People want high speed internet access, but deploying it costs money. If you can get it done cheaply, it can be deployed faster.
..then people bitch about the equipment coming from China. Hey, you wanted HSI.. Would you like to pay twice as much for your internet access and have it take a little longer?
Most of the people don't give a rats ass where the equipment comes from as long as it works like it supposed to and is reliable and stable.
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said by sandman_1:Yea keep on thinking that. I hope it makes you feel all safe and cozy at night.
Actually, it does. China needs us more than we need them. |
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