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Killersaurus

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I couldn't care less about this issue. China's flagrant disregard of IP is partly to blame for this and they've shown zero inclination of changing that. How is it that whenever a foreign company sets up shop in China that some domestic company soon appears with designs and products eerily similar? You can look at almost anything; European bullet trains, Russian fighter jets, American electronics. You name it and all of a sudden there's a "Chinese-developed" product that appears right after. People advocating for Huawei and ZTE need to ask where in the world they "developed" all of the cheap network and telecom gear that they're peddling. Answer: Cisco HQ.

Allowing them to build and install the infrastructure that will be carrying highly sensitive government secrets and blueprints for who-knows-what would be absolutely foolish.


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said by Killersaurus:

I couldn't care less about this issue. China's flagrant disregard of IP is partly to blame for this and they've shown zero inclination of changing that. How is it that whenever a foreign company sets up shop in China that some domestic company soon appears with designs and products eerily similar? You can look at almost anything; European bullet trains, Russian fighter jets, American electronics. You name it and all of a sudden there's a "Chinese-developed" product that appears right after. People advocating for Huawei and ZTE need to ask where in the world they "developed" all of the cheap network and telecom gear that they're peddling. Answer: Cisco HQ.

Allowing them to build and install the infrastructure that will be carrying highly sensitive government secrets and blueprints for who-knows-what would be absolutely foolish.

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michieru
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You don't need to build and install a infrastructure in order to spy it. That just seems like too much effort when other means produce the same results.


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said by Killersaurus:

How is it that whenever a foreign company sets up shop in China that some domestic company soon appears with designs and products eerily similar?

Yeah, because that never happens anywhere else in the world with any other device.

Go to Lowes Depot and almost every stove, fridge, washer, dryer looks (and for the most part, operates) like the one next to it. Go to Best Buy and look at all the TVs. They all look almost the same. It doesn't even have to be big and high tech. Go anywhere that sells lightbulbs...they all look the same. It's eerie that a device would have competing products that looked so similar!


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said by Killersaurus:

Allowing them to build and install the infrastructure that will be carrying highly sensitive government secrets and blueprints for who-knows-what would be absolutely foolish.

The government would never allow them to build infrastructure for classified info (SIPRNet or JWICS, for instance). When the government needs gear for those applications they use American contractors who are closely vetted. Indeed, the NSA has its own semiconductor manufacturing fab at Ft. Meade for this reason.

The fear of hardware trojans is not new -- NSA has been putting trojans in hardware for at least four decades, thus they would never be stupid enough to let the Chinese give them equipment for networks that would carry secret government info.

This is more about the government trying to protect the corporate sector from economic espionage and IP theft and to stop the Chinese from wreaking havoc on non-classified networks (i.e. the Internet at large). There may be some merit to their claims that this is a real threat. From what I have read, the real evidence is in the classified reports, which obviously the media doesn't have access to. And hackers at DEFCON looked at the firmware of Huweai routers and said they were very crappy, full of bugs that were easily exploitable.

But, as others have said, most consumer electronics are manufactured in China, thus I see no reason to pick on Huweai and ZTE and not mention other companies.
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CXM_Splicer
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Why it is about IP NOW and it never was before? The Chinese have been copying designs for decades and yet we gave them our manufacturing anyway.

I don't know about you but if I see a Chinese knockoff as an option, I am all too happy to buy it. If an American company wants to send their labor to China, I have no qualms about using 'their product' while they get nothing. Luckily this stuff is easily available on the web and often has free shipping to the US. Payback is a bitch.

Killersaurus

join:2012-09-17

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It's the frog in the boiling pot of water. It all happened so slowly that no one realized there was a top-down coordinated effort from the Chinese to steal as much as they could in any way that they could and claim it as their own.

Foreign companies let their own greed blind them to the fact that the Chinese take the idea of synergy to an entirely different level than what they know. They were limiting their think to their own corporate structure, but the Chinese look at eveything on the national level. The idiots that thought they'd be saving money using cheap Chinese labor are now finding themselves muscled out of not only the Chinese market, but their own domestic market with the entire communist apparatus working against them.

At least people have woken up to this, though serious damage has already been done.