cowwoc
join:2007-05-19
St John'S, NL | reply to bt
Re: Bell: We don't provide same service to Teksavvy customers said by bt:said by cowwoc:Couldn't Bell add an additional upload channel from the box to my home?
No. You're running into physical limitations of the wiring. I understand I'm running into the physical limitation of a single wire, but can't Bell bond multiple wires (say one meant for my neighbor which isn't using DSL) to promise me faster service?
Is DSL bonding really my only realistic option? My house is using one line for DSL and the other for phone/alarm system. Wouldn't the second DSL run into interference with existing services?
Is it possible for me to bond two DSL connections with differing speeds? Perhaps I could get a cheap/slow second connection and use it purely to augment my upload speed? The cheapest option I see is DSL 6/0.8 for $30 but I'm paying for the extra download speed and bandwidth I don't need. Is there a cheaper option?
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kovy
join:2009-03-26
kudos:8 | said by cowwoc:said by bt:said by cowwoc:Couldn't Bell add an additional upload channel from the box to my home?
No. You're running into physical limitations of the wiring. I understand I'm running into the physical limitation of a single wire, but can't Bell bond multiple wires (say one meant for my neighbor which isn't using DSL) to promise me faster service? Is DSL bonding really my only realistic option? My house is using one line for DSL and the other for phone/alarm system. Wouldn't the second DSL run into interference with existing services? Is it possible for me to bond two DSL connections with differing speeds? Perhaps I could get a cheap/slow second connection and use it purely to augment my upload speed? The cheapest option I see is DSL 6/0.8 for $30 but I'm paying for the extra download speed and bandwidth I don't need. Is there a cheaper option? Thanks, Gili There's nothing else can do... Unless your line has a physical issue... they won't do anything else.
Bonding is between you and your ISP, and usually it's better to have lines at the same speed. |
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said by cowwoc:Couldn't Bell add an additional upload channel from the box to my home? That sounds cheap enough (cheaper than adding a new box or paying for an extensive upgrade).
You could probably run your own transatlantic fibre-optic cable from your front door to Europe faster and cheaper than Bell could give you an upgrade. |
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cowwoc
join:2007-05-19
St John'S, NL | said by MaynardKrebs:said by cowwoc:Couldn't Bell add an additional upload channel from the box to my home? That sounds cheap enough (cheaper than adding a new box or paying for an extensive upgrade).
You could probably run your own transatlantic fibre-optic cable from your front door to Europe faster and cheaper than Bell could give you an upgrade. I have two co-workers abroad. One is in Bulgaria, another in Serbia. They have 64Mbps and 32Mbps connections, respectively, for less than $30/month.
Serbia!!! Come on people! Canada is such a third-world country when it comes to internet. |
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And I'll bet that on an income adjusted & "delivered bitrate"** basis that their service is a lot cheaper too.
** delivered bitrate = the actual measured bitrate available at the user premises, NOT the advertised speed. |
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komi
join:2011-07-08
North York, ON | reply to cowwoc
Just go a bit south (Romania) and for $30 you'll get internet-50Mbps, cable TV with 10 HD channels and home phone-VOIP. Now that's a hot deal! |
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 mlernerPremium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
kudos:5 | reply to cowwoc
Also note, distance in this case is WIRE distance, not street distance. So it could be 800 m but the cabling can make it more than that. Bell will also not fix that. |
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cowwoc
join:2007-05-19
St John'S, NL | said by mlerner:Also note, distance in this case is WIRE distance, not street distance. So it could be 800 m but the cabling can make it more than that. Bell will also not fix that.
Is this one of those things that gets better over time? Meaning, will they upgrade their box and roll out new boxes over time (as in months, not years)? |
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DavesnothereNo-BHELL-ity DOES have its Advantages
join:2009-06-15
START&Cogeco
kudos:6 | said by cowwoc:Is this one of those things that gets better over time ?
Meaning, will they upgrade their box and roll out new boxes over time (as in months, not years)?
I would not hold my breath on that.
Does St. John's have any CABLE Internet service providers ?
If yes, have you looked into THEM ?
Then again, Cable is less likely to even PRETEND to offer as high of an UPstream channel speed to typical consumers.
So you seem to be stuck with some form of DSL, or with paying an FN fortune to have a dedicated feed of some sort installed.
Not great news at best. |
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cowwoc
join:2007-05-19
St John'S, NL | said by Davesnothere:said by cowwoc:Is this one of those things that gets better over time ?
Meaning, will they upgrade their box and roll out new boxes over time (as in months, not years)?
I would not hold my breath on that. Does St. John's have any CABLE Internet service providers ? If yes, have you looked into THEM ? Then again, Cable is less likely to even PRETEND to offer as high of an UPstream channel speed to typical consumers. So you seem to be stuck with some form of DSL, or with paying an FN fortune to have a dedicated feed of some sort installed. Not great news at best. My profile information seems to be incorrect. I'm from Montreal, Quebec not St. Johns. Yes, Cable is available, but upload is limited to 2Mbps which is lower than what I am already getting so there is no point.
I wonder if I'd get further dealing with Bell or Videotron directly. At least Videotron seems to offer higher speeds (both upload and download) than Teksavvy. While dealing with Bell directly probably wouldn't get me a better connection, Videotron might. Still, I'm not a fan of the company and I also cringe at having to give up my static IP address. |
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im going to say what everyone else is probably thinking here.
you've stated several times your need for speed is business / commercially driven so get a proper business line.
first time your RESIDENTIAL line goes down you'll be crying about the 2-3 day repair time because you're losing money and want to be reimbursed and everyone is evil. |
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join:2009-02-26
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said by cowwoc:said by mlerner:Also note, distance in this case is WIRE distance, not street distance. So it could be 800 m but the cabling can make it more than that. Bell will also not fix that.
Is this one of those things that gets better over time? Meaning, will they upgrade their box and roll out new boxes over time (as in months, not years)? Unlikely to happen any time soon. That kind of thing is typically approached as a major upgrade and not a refinement like you're hoping for. |
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When your business line goes down, the repair time is the same as it is for a residential line, at least when dealing with an independent. I don't know why people keep spreading incorrect information about this. I have a few lines of each type that I manage, the only line I get better service on out of all of them is my fibre lan extension. |
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cowwoc
join:2007-05-19
St John'S, NL | said by Bugblndr:When your business line goes down, the repair time is the same as it is for a residential line, at least when dealing with an independent. I don't know why people keep spreading incorrect information about this. I have a few lines of each type that I manage, the only line I get better service on out of all of them is my fibre lan extension.
Furthermore, I was told business service might not even be available in my area since it is zoned as residential. And I agree, there doesn't seem to be any technical difference between residential and business service; the only difference is the price.
I would be more than happy to pay for a business connection if it provided synchronous speeds (meaning the same speed up and down and obviously it would have to be fast). Unfortunately, this doesn't seem to be available.
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SLAMtech
join:2009-12-03
London, ON
kudos:1 | Is fibe TV available in your area? I ask this because if it is then the bridge tap removal program went through your area. I have found that bridge taps and end taps effect the upload speed big time. On a decent line 700 m from the slam upload should be higher than that. 7330 can push speed better and farther than an o slam as well. |
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cowwoc
join:2007-05-19
St John'S, NL | said by SLAMtech:Is fibe TV available in your area? I ask this because if it is then the bridge tap removal program went through your area. I have found that bridge taps and end taps effect the upload speed big time. On a decent line 700 m from the slam upload should be higher than that. 7330 can push speed better and farther than an o slam as well.
No. It's not available in my area (according to Bell's website). Then again, according to their website DSL 25/10 isn't available in my area either but according to Teksavvy's internal Bell portal it is so this isn't definitive.
Anyway, that's good news though. So in theory once they roll out Fibe TV to my area I should see much higher upload speeds? It should be easier to convince them of that (maybe sign up for a few months myself as incentive).
What is the definitive way of finding out whether bridge taps are in use in my area? Is there a chance I can push them to remove it through Teksavvy?
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| said by cowwoc:Anyway, that's good news though. So in theory once they roll out Fibe TV to my area I should see much higher upload speeds? It should be easier to convince them of that (maybe sign up for a few months myself as incentive).
FibeTV is available in my area, and I get only 3.8 Mb up. The issue is the distance. In comparison to you, my stats are the following:
Downstream line rate 31148 kbps
Upstream line rate 4964 kbps
Bearer Downstream payload rate 26928 kbps
Bearer Upstream payload rate 4032 kbps
Downstream attainable payload rate 32712 kbps
Downstream attainable line rate 40384 kbps
Downstream Training Margin 9.9 dB
Downstream delay 0.0 ms
Upstream delay 0.0 ms
Tx total power 6.6 dbm
FE Tx total power 13.5 dbm
VDSL Estimated Loop Length 2754 ft
G.Hs Estimated Near End Loop Length 2402 ft
My estimated Loop Length of 2754 ft is 700 less than yours, which would explain the difference in upstream. Now if we were at 1000 feet, we would be at 10 and laughing.
Realistically, to get the upstream you're looking for, your going to have to move, or pay for 2 lines and do MLPPP through TekSavvy or someone else who offers it. |
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VDSL2 Firmware Version
9.3.2.6IK105012
VDSL2 Link Status
UP
Downstream line rate
29424 kbps
Upstream line rate
13176 kbps
Bearer Downstream payload rate
26928 kbps
Bearer Upstream payload rate
11328 kbps
Downstream attainable payload rate
46432 kbps
Downstream attainable line rate
54632 kbps
Downstream Training Margin
14.6 dB
Downstream delay
0.0 ms
Upstream delay
0.0 ms
Tx total power
11.3 dbm
FE Tx total power
14.1 dbm
VDSL Estimated Loop Length
1947 ft
G.Hs Estimated Near End Loop Length
2719 ft
G.Hs Estimated Far End Loop Length
0 ft
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wow 10 upload on dsl.................................
we JUST got 2.5 in Alberta upload.
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