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Re: [MoP] Great Post - I couldn't agree more

well said Kris, and he doesnt take into account that its for this tier only once the next tier of raids comes out you dont reset your rep so all of that is done and now you can just raid without worrying about gearing up through rep grind.
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reply to Krisnatharok
Well the ones it really hits are casuals.
The ones that don't have alot of time to play everyday.

IMO rep should have perks that are good for hardcore but not mandatory like the current setup (so sure hardcore would have to do them)

If for example they had done the VP upgrade iLvL thing at launch so you only needed the rep to upgrade the gear you get then great, but not for fill in the gap gear.

reply to Krisnatharok
It didn't sound like to me that he doesn't HAVE the time - it sounds like he doesn't enjoy the time he's spending. I'm with him. I've been raiding since the end of Vanilla.

A large portion of the WoW player base has been with Blizzard since the beginning. Most of us were highschool or college kids when we first discovered the game, we had endless amounts of free time, and loved the sink. Most of us are now adults with families of our own, and these kind of time sinks just don't appeal to us anymore.

Blizzard has recognized that (or we thought they had) - and implemented sanity checks in their last few expansions. Granted, I'm sure it pissed off a few of the self-flagellating types, but most of us found it a welcome change. They're regressing. Raiding should be about skill, not your ability to put up with hours of brain-melting repetition every day to get to some reputation to be "ready to raid". I don't buy into that, and never will.

It's a game, not a profession. If there is not choices that are fun, I won't be playing. I personally loved being able to run dungeons, get random drops, and fill in the missing pieces from JP. Not being able to use the VP I earn from raids/dungeons to buy gear without hours a day of questing is, to me, just a bad decision.

Well Kris, personally, I don't care all that much. I just hate dailies, so I don't do them every day, period. If it slows me down a little bit, that's ok. Blizzard HAS changed to accomodate their player base - I'm sure you recognize that. I DO think this guy is a little over whiny and exaggerating, but he does have some valid points, which is why I posted it. They must recognize that there is a sizeable portion of their player base that hates dailies and loves dungeons, why not give them the option of levelling their rep how they want?

reply to clawfury
Ok... I think he voiced his complaints well. The only think I really think they "screwed up" is the ilvl gearing regarding JP/Valor and H.Dungeon drops. I just don't get the logic of the intended progression... I just don't. If you intended JP to be used to get into Heroics, fine... but why hide them behind rep gates and make it so slow to build up JP in normal dungeons? I'm glad they bumped up the JP ilvl to be higher than the pvp crafted blues... so there is some semblance of correction there.

I like having something I know I can work on every time I log on, regardless of who else logs in my guild. What I don't like, is not seeing much of an advantage to having guild groups logged on, because if I grind heroic dungeons... it sets me behind on my rep grinds... if I rep grind, I'm setting myself behind getting LFR ready (because 458 doesn't get you into LFR... you need the 463s from dungeons to get in).

One final note... I don't think MV was supposed to be the typical first tier raid of an expansion. I think it was tuned down so that truly skilled raids could clear normal mode in 463 gear (this hurts me to admit). So maybe my confusion on their gearing progression philosophy is based on my wrongful placement of MV.

Anyway, if blizz could divorce the daily rep grind from the JP/Valor expenditures... it would really make these optional choices optional. Keep the crafted mats tied to rep, I like how that plays out... but let me spend JP/Valor at rates that can benefit my guild. By the time I have the rep... the JP is garbage.
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reply to Krisnatharok

but yet, you will gladly farm mobs for salvagable shit to maybe get enough mats to maybe upgrade a non essential stat on gear that you can only reskin and not truely upgrade, you make no fucking sense.
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reply to Krisnatharok
Getting ready for Raids in Vanilla was more fun. It wasn't daily grinds. Attunements usually sent you on an interesting quest chain. Getting gear was through UBRS and Scholo and those sort of raids. You go from 5 man to 10-15 dungeons to the big 40 man raids. You also learned how to play as a group as they got bigger. Each dungeon step also gave you gear that helped you for the next dungeon step. It was a chain to go through that was fun. Grinding dailies everyday is not to me fun.

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its still a grind no matter which way you spin it, atleast in wow there is an end to the winding path, you have to grind out mf gear to help with the finding more shit to salvage, people tend to think that there shiny toy is better than the kids next door, guess what it isn't.
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"What happened in here?" " Seems to have been a bit of a squabble." "They're all dead!" " More of a tif then."

I'm going to start "hey modding" the GW2 posts.

reply to cymraeg
Turning this into a GW2 vs WoW debate is not going to get us any good.

Now kiss.
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Its okay buddy. The one thing WoW has got right is emotes.

Both games have a lot of things right, but that is not the point of this thread.
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