cymraegThread KillerPremium
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Re: [MoP] Great Post - I couldn't agree more but yet, you will gladly farm mobs for salvagable shit to maybe get enough mats to maybe upgrade a non essential stat on gear that you can only reskin and not truely upgrade, you make no fucking sense.
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 I AMPremium
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| said by cymraeg:but yet, you will gladly farm mobs for salvagable shit to maybe get enough mats to maybe upgrade a non essential stat on gear that you can only reskin and not truely upgrade, you make no fucking sense.
But the Guild Wars Franchise's end game is not the same as WoW. It is not tied to getting to latest gear out there. WoW is a loot driven game Guild Wars is not. Each appeals differently to players. |
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 GhastlyonePremium
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Las Vegas, NV
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said by cymraeg:but yet, you will gladly farm mobs for salvagable shit to maybe get enough mats to maybe upgrade a non essential stat on gear that you can only reskin and not truely upgrade, you make no fucking sense.
A lot of assumptions in this post ^
I make no sense though.
Riiiight.
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cymraegThread KillerPremium
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its still a grind no matter which way you spin it, atleast in wow there is an end to the winding path, you have to grind out mf gear to help with the finding more shit to salvage, people tend to think that there shiny toy is better than the kids next door, guess what it isn't.
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 ImmerGentlemanPremium
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Evans, GA
kudos:6 | I'm going to start "hey modding" the GW2 posts. |
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 JobbieKeep It SimplePremium
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Turning this into a GW2 vs WoW debate is not going to get us any good.
Now kiss.
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JobbieKeep It SimplePremium
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kudos:1 | Both games have a lot of things right, but that is not the point of this thread.
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GhastlyonePremium
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said by Immer:I'm going to start "hey modding" the GW2 posts.
LOL.
Yep. Can't compare anything to the holy grail that is WoW in this forum. Nothing else exists.
Because MMOs never get compared to one another, right?
Not this forum though. We'll tell on you to the mods! |
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said by Jobbie:Both games have a lot of things right, but that is not the point of this thread.
True that, I want both games to succeed because it will only make the next iterations better. But apparently, people need to bash the other to somehow make their preferred game better. I never could understand that logic. Much like the iOS vs Android threads... |
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I AMPremium
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/tar Jobbie
/lick
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ImmerGentlemanPremium
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Evans, GA
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said by Ghastlyone:said by Immer:I'm going to start "hey modding" the GW2 posts.
LOL. Yep. Can't compare anything to the holy grail that is WoW in this forum. Nothing else exists. Because MMOs never get compared to one another, right? Not this forum though. We'll tell on you to the mods! A lot of assumptions in this post ^...
I'm not in the WoW forum to talk about some other game, nor does the topic of this thread really benefit from discussions of another game. That's what the more generic gaming forum is for.
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GhastlyonePremium
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Las Vegas, NV
kudos:2 | said by Immer:said by Ghastlyone:said by Immer:I'm going to start "hey modding" the GW2 posts.
LOL. Yep. Can't compare anything to the holy grail that is WoW in this forum. Nothing else exists. Because MMOs never get compared to one another, right? Not this forum though. We'll tell on you to the mods! A lot of assumptions in this post ^... I'm not in the WoW forum to talk about some other game, nor does the topic of this thread really benefit from discussions of another game. That's what the more generic gaming forum is for. Strange thing is. I never said one thing about GW2 in this thread. I've been talking about WoW the whole time? |
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ImmerGentlemanPremium
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| said by Ghastlyone:Strange thing is. I never said one thing about GW2 in this thread. I've been talking about WoW the whole time?
cool. but you saw it fit to belittle my somewhat blunt reminder that we don't need to be discussing some other game here... and made wild assumptions about my motives for doing so. Plus... I couldn't resist recycling one of your earlier comments. /hug |
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GhastlyonePremium
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kudos:2 | said by Immer:said by Ghastlyone:Strange thing is. I never said one thing about GW2 in this thread. I've been talking about WoW the whole time?
cool. but you saw it fit to belittle my somewhat blunt reminder that we don't need to be discussing some other game here... and made wild assumptions about my motives for doing so. Plus... I couldn't resist recycling one of your earlier comments. /hug I love me some Immer.
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With respect to the dailies, whether they are "must do" depends on whether you can val cap without doing them. If you can, they are not "must do"; if you can't they are. I don't know because I honestly haven't looked. I'm doing them strictly for rep at this point, and prioritizing them based on what I want to get when.
If they are "must do" then I agree, it's ridiculous. While everyone will have to spend some amount of time to val cap, it should be possible to val cap if you're playing about an hour a day (i.e. running 1 heroic dun per day). If they are not "must do" then the valor given for them is sugar on top of the rep that you need to get access to whatever the rep vendor is selling -- i.e maybe saving you a dun run while you're grinding rep. I don't have a problem with having to grind rep to get access to a sweet item, except that I've always felt rep based items should be BoA rather BoP so you don't have to grind the rep again for each alt.
The big problem comes if the val you get from them is not subject to the val cap. Then all of a sudden, it becomes "must do" to the hardcore types instead of a bonus. |
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ImmerGentlemanPremium
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| said by Ramikor :My response is somewhat based on ignorance, so please bear with me.
With respect to the dailies, whether they are "must do" depends on whether you can val cap without doing them. If you can, they are not "must do"; if you can't they are. I don't know because I honestly haven't looked. I'm doing them strictly for rep at this point, and prioritizing them based on what I want to get when.
You need to grind out the rep with the factions just to spend the Valor you've earned. That puts it squarely into the "must do" category.
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kudos:3 | said by Immer:said by Ramikor :My response is somewhat based on ignorance, so please bear with me.
With respect to the dailies, whether they are "must do" depends on whether you can val cap without doing them. If you can, they are not "must do"; if you can't they are. I don't know because I honestly haven't looked. I'm doing them strictly for rep at this point, and prioritizing them based on what I want to get when.
You need to grind out the rep with the factions just to spend the Valor you've earned. That puts it squarely into the "must do" category. Exactly
Sure you could have gotten to 3k valor by now without doing dailies but you wouldn't be able to spend any if you hadn't done dailies.
From this week I've found you can cap valor just from dailies (I got to 500 in 3 days of just Tillers/GL/Klaxxi
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said by Immer:You need to grind out the rep with the factions just to spend the Valor you've earned. That puts it squarely into the "must do" category.
Yes, but like the firelands dailies you only have to do it until you get the rep you need to get the gear you want from that faction. I know that before you didn't have to spend valor to get faction gear, and that Cata had the rep tabards as an alternative to rep grinding, but I don't have a problem with having to grind rep for a faction rewards. Faction rewards should be earned. I felt that the tabards should only get you so far, but there probably is not a good or easy mechanic for that. In any case, the additional val you get for grinding rep that you were going to grind anyway to get the bis gear is a bonus. The current system just means instead of buying valor gear that you later replace with rep gear that you pay gold for, you grind rep and spend the valor on the rep gear.
To the extent the argument is that the valor vendors in the capital cities are not carrying new gear at all, where before they carried gear of comparable, but lesser quality than faction reward gear, I do have some sympathy. However, I think the max-min types would be grinding the rep to get the bis faction reward gear (and still complain about it), and so would be doing the dailies or other rep-builders until they had the necessary rep anyway. The lack of valor gear through the old valor vendors hurts the casuals who otherwise would not be grinding rep for bis gear, but who would be settling for the comparable gear. However, the alternative for them is crafted gear. Unfortunately epic crafted gear will be even more expensive to buy than in the past because many mats are BoP. However, the fact that there is an alternative takes it out of the "must" category.
Also, (more ignorance on my part) what ilvl is required for the raids? If you have to have valor gear to make the ilvl for a raid, that turns valor grinding into a "must do"; but if you can get in with blue crafted and/or heroic dun gear, then you don't have to grind valor at all, let alone grind rep to spend the valor.
I will als concede that having to grind rep with one faction before you can grind rep with another faction IS retarded. Everyone should be able to grind rep with whatever faction he thinks will benefit him most in whatever order suits his priorities. |
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ImmerGentlemanPremium
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Evans, GA
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| said by Ramikor :said by Immer:You need to grind out the rep with the factions just to spend the Valor you've earned. That puts it squarely into the "must do" category.
Yes, but like the firelands dailies you only have to do it until you get the rep you need to get the gear you want from that faction. So your defense is that once you unlocked all the vendors you didn't have to go back? That was what... a month? Those dailies were also a stepping stone for non or late-raider to bypass early tiers of raiding to jump onto the new hotness. Different ballgame entirely.
Now, the ilvl for LFR is 460. The JP gear is 458, and you can only replace a few pieces of gear with it. If you grind out honored you get to learn 2 epic craftables at i476 (chest/hands). Because of the JP and Valor gating, you are running heroics hoping for a drop, and then you are hoping the loot system doesn't bug out and you have a fair shot at the loot (not new) but you can't focus on the dungeons because you have to dedicate a dungeon's worth of time doing dailies otherwise you won't be able to buy the items you are aiming for (new problem).
For those in raiding guilds, they can all agree (as we have) to go in under geared and just try to smash face at i458... but as Nick put it.. those on the cusp... not quite casual (because they hit 90 fast) but not quite hardcore (because they weren't already in a raiding guild playing in beta raids)... you're stuck for a few weeks.
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