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Re: [HD] Cartoon Network HD Ch 757 said by aaronwt:I see it's live here in VHO4 now. Unfortunately it's another MPEG2 channel instead of H.264 like it should be to save space.
u wont see any popular channels like cartoon hd in mpeg4 anytime soon. for time being it will be niche channels like mlb extra innings or dot tv crap. |
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PJL
join:2008-07-24
Long Beach, CA
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said by aaronwt:I see it's live here in VHO4 now. Unfortunately it's another MPEG2 channel instead of H.264 like it should be to save space.
Can you imagine the number of angry people with other then 7XXX series STBs if they had used MPEG4 for the Cartoon Network? I have to agree with steven34. |
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Verizon is definitely compressing signals in the 3 to 1 statmux transition. It started with provider delivered MPEG-4 channels such as HBO and Cinemax. These had to be re-encoded anyway for MPEG-2 delivery on the Fios network and were only being sent at a bitrate of 6 MB/sec in MPEG-4 (roughly 12 MB/sec in MPEG-2). But recently, channels which originate in MPEG-2 from the provider, such as Epix2 HD, have been converted to 3:1 channel loading. If Epix2 originates from the provider as 18 MB/sec, the best Verizon can do with 3:1 statmuxing is 13 MB/sec using MPEG-2 encoding. Most people with HDTVs smaller than 50 inches simply won't notice the difference. Customers with TV sets 80 inches and above probably will object more. Even with 3:1 channel loading, Verizon's picture quality will be much better than ATT's U-Verse IPTV delivery system. Fios picture quality will be on par with Comcast and Time Warner, who have been using 3:1 MPEG-2 statmuxing for 5 years.
Currently about 40 of the 130 national HD English cable channels are loaded 3 to 1 on Fios. If another 60 make the transition, this will open up another 10 QAM slots, providing up to 30 additional MPEG-2 HDTV channels. Hopefully the 25 most popular cable networks will remain 2 to 1 MPEG-2 channel loading for sometime. |
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1. Great information Betamax!
2. I thought Verizon tested this kind of scenario a couple years ago in Texas and the PQ was a mess?
3. I've said this before but I simply never had a problem with Comcast's HD PQ while I had them. I saw little difference, and we had a 42" Plasma at the time (50" now). I felt the FIOS SD PQ was clearly a huge upgrade over Comcast, but I am down to one SDTV now, and it's only 27" via component wires. I usually don't bother with SD channels. |
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I wonder how long before they start converting all 1920x1080 channels to 1280x1080 like some of the other providers. That's usually the next step along the path to sacrificing picture quality in order to cram in more channels. Really sad to see this happen as FIOS was the only national provider left that passed their channels to the viewer without re-compression (ignoring H.264 native channels). Now they will be charging a premium price for TV service quality you can get elsewhere for less. So much for their advanced fiber network... |
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| said by wizziwig :I wonder how long before they start converting all 1920x1080 channels to 1280x1080 like some of the other providers. That's usually the next step along the path to sacrificing picture quality in order to cram in more channels. Really sad to see this happen as FIOS was the only national provider left that passed their channels to the viewer without re-compression (ignoring H.264 native channels). Now they will be charging a premium price for TV service quality you can get elsewhere for less. So much for their advanced fiber network...
luckily the motorola cable boxes do not support 1280x1080i. Also Verizon would be converting to MPEG4 well before that would even be considered.
I would think Verizon could add MPEG2 HD channels for now and in the future start converting the Premium HD multiplexes to MPEG4 one at time over period of time like a year so to allow for verizon to give out all of the boxes needed to do this.
The premium channels going MPEG4 would be the best bet and they could compress them to 5:1 to a QAM or 6:1 to a QAM as I have heard that the premium multiplexes are sending out 6Mbps so that they can be repackaged into 3:1 QAMs after transcoding. |
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Been waiting for CN HD, it's about time Verizon! |
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join:2001-05-14
Plano, TX | reply to robertf390_t
On in VHO1, even with Prime package. |
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Still only shows in guide. Not live in vho6 on the tv. |
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Well, here in VHO3 at least, all the channels I actually care about (maybe 7 at best) are still sent 2 per QAM channel. In fact, the majority of other popular channels which were not already MPEG4 conversions, also appear as 2 per QAM. Let's hope it stays that way.
FIOS should be about best-possible-picture-quality, not quantity. If anyone wants lots of over-compressed, pixelated, HD channels, they are free to switch to cable/satellite.
Best way to free up space without sacrificing picture is to upgrade everyone to MPEG4 capable STB's and pass native MPEG4 channels as 3+ per QAM instead of converting them to MPEG2. |
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 More FiberPremium,MVM
join:2005-09-26
West Chester, PA
kudos:28 | said by wizziwig :Best way to free up space without sacrificing picture is to upgrade everyone to MPEG4 capable STB's and pass native MPEG4 channels as 3+ per QAM instead of converting them to MPEG2.
Agreed. Unfortunately, VZ is trying to have their cake and eat it too.
VZ is pricing their product at a premium because they think they have a better product, but they don't want to spend the money to replace the older 6xxx and 2500 boxes. It's also not clear that they have a solution for the DCT-700s.
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So is VHO6 the only one who doesn't have this channel yet? |
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dmon4u
join:2006-03-15
Hummelstown, PA | CRTN 757 VHO14 Guide Info is up Today but channel says Not Subscribed. |
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join:2009-07-01
Collegeville, PA | reply to robertf390_t
Re: [HD] Cartoon Network HD Ch 757 I wonder what's taking Zap2it so long to add the channel to its guide listings...
FYI: Zap2it, owned by Tribune Media Services, is the guide data provider for popular 3rd party DVRs such as TiVo and Windows Media Center. |
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| Zap2It is always last for some reason. Even if you write in, their auto message says they may not see your message. I think it took me a month of messages last time, before they acknowledged my message, then changed the channel the next update. But last time with BBCA, they were right on time. Weird. |
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Now live in vho6. |
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Zap2It confirmed they got my mail and added it, so at your next guide update, it should apparently show up for Tivo, Media Center and others who get Zap2It guide info. |
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 bohratomJersey Shore will rise again
join:2011-07-07
Red Bank NJ | said by rantanamo:Zap2It confirmed they got my mail and added it, Yes, Your email made zap2it (which Verizon pays to provide guide data) make them add it to the guide....  |
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| YUP! cartoon network channe 757 is now in my tivo guide. And i was able to set up a recording of looney tunes at 3 a.m.! |
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said by bohratom:said by rantanamo:Zap2It confirmed they got my mail and added it, Yes, Your email made zap2it (which Verizon pays to provide guide data) make them add it to the guide.... quote:
Dear Zap2it user,
Thank you for your email.
We see that the lineup discrepancy you noted below is now corrected on the site.
We do apologize for any inconvenience and thank you for being a Zap2it user.
If you should have any other questions, please be sure to reference our Help page at:
»www.zap2it.com/services/site/hel···tmlstory
Regards,
The Zap2it Customer Feedback Team
It wasn't there before I emailed them. It showed up right after they sent me this. There have been times they've waited weeks and even months until I pointed out changes to them. You laugh, but the thing is, if they don't catch a change and no one notifies them of the change, they simply won't change it. Have seen it time and time again, so I started writing in and they respond. |
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