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Re: Comcast's CCAP Deployment Plans

said by Chris 313:

Since Comcast is a known buyer of ARRIS and Cisco, do you think they would even bother buying from Casa or stick with what they know and wait for ARRIS and Cisco to roll out.

IDK, as was stated in this article »www.lightreading.com/hea ··· 40144661 about Comcast's CCAP operational-readiness trial:
quote:
"To get ready for some small-scale deployments in 2013 and a broader rollout in 2014, Comcast conducted a six-month CCAP operational-readiness trial earlier this year with Cisco Systems Inc. and another vendor that the operator has yet to disclose.
said by Chris 313:

Also, with all the equipment out their, wouldn't it be smarter to choose one manufacturer for everything?

It's dangerous to put all of your eggs in one basket.

Most service providers use at least 2 suppliers for their network equipment, in case something should happen to one of them, and also to bid one against the other for price.

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said by telcodad:

said by Chris 313:

Since Comcast is a known buyer of ARRIS and Cisco, do you think they would even bother buying from Casa or stick with what they know and wait for ARRIS and Cisco to roll out.

IDK, as was stated in this article »www.lightreading.com/hea ··· 40144661 about Comcast's CCAP operational-readiness trial:
quote:
"To get ready for some small-scale deployments in 2013 and a broader rollout in 2014, Comcast conducted a six-month CCAP operational-readiness trial earlier this year with Cisco Systems Inc. and another vendor that the operator has yet to disclose.
said by Chris 313:

Also, with all the equipment out their, wouldn't it be smarter to choose one manufacturer for everything?

It's dangerous to put all of your eggs in one basket.

Most service providers use at least 2 suppliers for their network equipment, in case something should happen to one of them, and also to bid one against the other for price.

I'm reading through things now. Wonder what this CCAP thing means for customers like us? Quicker speed rollouts, better reliability? I'd probably switch back to Comcast TV if they didn't take years to roll out new boxes, guide updates, etc.

And yeah, I could understand about not putting all your eggs in one basket, but you gotta wonder that they'd have planned for problems and ways to prevent them? (Or were you talking about one getting bought out?) The bidding war, I can also understand. Everyone wants your business and the best pricing, eh?

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Re: Dream Modem - 24x8

Netgear's new CG4500 24x8 gateway is starting to enter field trials now:

Test Time For Netgear’s 1 Gig DOCSIS 3.0 Gateway
Netgear’s Latest Gear Reaches Lab, Field Trials in Wake of CableLabs Certification

By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - June 3, 2013
»www.multichannel.com/tec ··· y/143619
quote:
It runs on the Intel’s Puma 6 DOCSIS 3.0 chip and the MaxLinear MxL267 24-channel DOCSIS 3.0 receiver. The device itself was certified with the ability to bond 24 downstream channels and four upstream channels, but it is capable of bonding as many as eight upstream channels, [Product Manager Naveen] Chhangani said, noting that CableLabs wasn’t yet equipped to test at a 24x8 configuration when Netgear entered it for testing last year.

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said by telcodad:

Netgear's new CG4500 24x8 gateway is starting to enter field trials now:

Test Time For Netgear’s 1 Gig DOCSIS 3.0 Gateway
Netgear’s Latest Gear Reaches Lab, Field Trials in Wake of CableLabs Certification

By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - June 3, 2013
»www.multichannel.com/tec ··· y/143619

quote:
It runs on the Intel’s Puma 6 DOCSIS 3.0 chip and the MaxLinear MxL267 24-channel DOCSIS 3.0 receiver. The device itself was certified with the ability to bond 24 downstream channels and four upstream channels, but it is capable of bonding as many as eight upstream channels, [Product Manager Naveen] Chhangani said, noting that CableLabs wasn’t yet equipped to test at a 24x8 configuration when Netgear entered it for testing last year.

This is good news, but it's also kinda sad they didn't test the full 24x8 cause they couldn't at the time. Are you tired of seeing Nx4 modems? Is this the point where we'll see Nx8 going forward?

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said by Chris 313:

said by telcodad:

Netgear's new CG4500 24x8 gateway is starting to enter field trials now:

Test Time For Netgear’s 1 Gig DOCSIS 3.0 Gateway
Netgear’s Latest Gear Reaches Lab, Field Trials in Wake of CableLabs Certification

By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - June 3, 2013
»www.multichannel.com/tec ··· y/143619

quote:
It runs on the Intel’s Puma 6 DOCSIS 3.0 chip and the MaxLinear MxL267 24-channel DOCSIS 3.0 receiver. The device itself was certified with the ability to bond 24 downstream channels and four upstream channels, but it is capable of bonding as many as eight upstream channels, [Product Manager Naveen] Chhangani said, noting that CableLabs wasn’t yet equipped to test at a 24x8 configuration when Netgear entered it for testing last year.

This is good news, but it's also kinda sad they didn't test the full 24x8 cause they couldn't at the time. Are you tired of seeing Nx4 modems? Is this the point where we'll see Nx8 going forward?

As I said back in this thread »Re: 8 Downstream 8 Upstream Modems? , other than Comcast's HFC plant moving to a "mid-split" arrangement (extends the upstream path up to 85MHz), it doesn't seem likely that you'd be able to use an Nx8 modem with DOCSIS 3.0.

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said by telcodad:

As I said back in this thread »Re: 8 Downstream 8 Upstream Modems? , other than Comcast's HFC plant moving to a "mid-split" arrangement (extends the upstream path up to 85MHz), it doesn't seem likely that you'd be able to use an Nx8 modem with DOCSIS 3.0.

Well that blows, but still. At this moment, I'm more interested in my downloads getting to me faster then my uploads. Especially since you're seeing areas go 8x4 or better but still it's x4.

Man, I wish that they had a 24x8 modem out since things are changing around here soon and I'm gonna snag my own modem. Still, 8x4 is nothing to sneeze at, eh?

Thanks for the goodies. Hope you find more. I love drooling as I'll probably replace the soon to be bought 8x4 in about 3 years with whatever is newest at the time.

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said by Chris 313:

Thanks for the goodies. Hope you find more. I love drooling as I'll probably replace the soon to be bought 8x4 in about 3 years with whatever is newest at the time.

By then there should be DOCSIS 3.1 modems available.
See:

Making Room for Docsis 3.1
By Jeff Baumgartner, Light Reading Cable - March 27, 2013
»www.lightreading.com/blo ··· 40151838

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said by telcodad:

said by Chris 313:

Thanks for the goodies. Hope you find more. I love drooling as I'll probably replace the soon to be bought 8x4 in about 3 years with whatever is newest at the time.

By then there should be DOCSIS 3.1 modems available.
See:

Making Room for Docsis 3.1
By Jeff Baumgartner, Light Reading Cable - March 27, 2013
»www.lightreading.com/blo ··· 40151838

Thanks for the read. I guess I'll be going D3.1 by then. I'm drooling, thinking about what the specs will be on that thing.
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said by telcodad:

By then there should be DOCSIS 3.1 modems available.

DOCSIS 3.1 and actual roll out at the provider side is too far away.

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said by 34764170:

said by telcodad:

By then there should be DOCSIS 3.1 modems available.

DOCSIS 3.1 and actual roll out at the provider side is too far away.

DOCSIS 3.1 equipment and modems should roll out faster than that for 3.0 did:

Docsis 3.1 Stays on a Fast Track
By Jeff Baumgartner, Light Reading Cable - March 19, 2013
»www.lightreading.com/doc ··· 40151188

"According to the latest Docsis 3.1 specification schedule, products should begin to appear in 2014, with initial deployments getting underway in 2015 and 2016."
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Broadcom has just announced their new BCM7145 32x8 chipset:

Broadcom Unveils 1.6G Gateway Chip
Mari Silbey, Light Reading Cable - June 4, 2013
»www.lightreading.com/cab ··· 40156024
quote:
... packs in 32 downstream and 8 upstream channels, HEVC video decoders for 4K UltraHD TV, transcoding capabilities for up to four video streams at once and gigabit-speed Wi-Fi.

The new SoC, designed for the next generation of cable home gateways, is not due to hit volume production until 2014, but Broadcom says it's currently running trials, and that "demand is extremely high across a large number of customers worldwide."

The Broadcom Press Release: »www.prnewswire.com/news- ··· 231.html

EDIT: Also an article about it on the MCN site: »www.multichannel.com/tec ··· g/143645

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said by telcodad:

Broadcom has just announced their new BCM7145 32x8 chipset:

Broadcom Unveils 1.6G Gateway Chip
Mari Silbey, Light Reading Cable - June 4, 2013
»www.lightreading.com/cab ··· 40156024

quote:
... packs in 32 downstream and 8 upstream channels, HEVC video decoders for 4K UltraHD TV, transcoding capabilities for up to four video streams at once and gigabit-speed Wi-Fi.

The new SoC, designed for the next generation of cable home gateways, is not due to hit volume production until 2014, but Broadcom says it's currently running trials, and that "demand is extremely high across a large number of customers worldwide."

The Broadcom Press Release: »www.prnewswire.com/news- ··· 231.html

EDIT: Also an article about it on the MCN site: »www.multichannel.com/tec ··· g/143645

Oh, I'm so jealous. Too bad we won't see modems with these until much later. By which time 3.1 will probably be rolling out, eh?

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said by Chris 313:

said by telcodad:

Broadcom has just announced their new BCM7145 32x8 chipset:

Broadcom Unveils 1.6G Gateway Chip
Mari Silbey, Light Reading Cable - June 4, 2013
»www.lightreading.com/cab ··· 40156024

quote:
... packs in 32 downstream and 8 upstream channels, HEVC video decoders for 4K UltraHD TV, transcoding capabilities for up to four video streams at once and gigabit-speed Wi-Fi.

The new SoC, designed for the next generation of cable home gateways, is not due to hit volume production until 2014, but Broadcom says it's currently running trials, and that "demand is extremely high across a large number of customers worldwide."

The Broadcom Press Release: »www.prnewswire.com/news- ··· 231.html

EDIT: Also an article about it on the MCN site: »www.multichannel.com/tec ··· g/143645

Oh, I'm so jealous. Too bad we won't see modems with these until much later. By which time 3.1 will probably be rolling out, eh?

Yeah, D3.1 will be starting to ramp up then (if it stays on schedule), but this would help "fill the gap" I guess.

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said by telcodad:

Yeah, D3.1 will be starting to ramp up then (if it stays on schedule), but this would help "fill the gap" I guess.

Damn, do I hate buying my own modem. This'll make my 8x4 look like it sucks. Still, when will systems have 32 channels to use? I guess I'll look at what's out when it's time to upgrade and go for the best I can get.

Unlike other areas, especially ones that have competition, my area takes years to catch up to everyone else.

By the time we could get 32 channels here, 3.1 will probably have been rolling out for 2 years.

Sad, huh?

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FYI - Wi-Fi chipset maker Quantenna Communications is having its latest design incorporated into Intel's Puma 6 video gateway reference platform:

Quantenna Quickens Intel Gateways
By Mari Silbey, Light Reading Cable - June 5, 2013
»www.lightreading.com/wir ··· 40156105

EDIT: The Quantenna press release: »www.businesswire.com/new ··· olutions
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Some new gateways announced by Motorola/ARRIS:

From:
ARRIS Unveils Integrated Solutions To Transform Cable Industry
Newly combined portfolio components on display at The Cable Show 2013

Press Release, PR Newswire - June 10, 2013
»www.prnewswire.com/news- ··· 561.html
quote:
Redefining the Connected Home
As the industry embraces a migration to an all-IP network, the expanded portfolio of ARRIS gateways is well-positioned to give service providers the best choices for getting there. An expanded stable of gateways offers a variety of ways to address consumer demand for video, high-speed data, and telephony, while ensuring that today's hardware will scale to tomorrow's connected home.

Headless Gateways:
• MG2402
• MG5000 Series
• SXG1000

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Re: Comcast's CCAP Deployment Plans

Looks like Comcast is going with ARRIS's E6000 Converged Edge Router for CCAP:

Comcast Picks Arris CCAP, Video Gateway Gear
MSO Starts to Deploy the E6000, Will Roll XG1 Gateway in Q3

By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - June 10, 2013
»www.multichannel.com/cab ··· r/143804

EDIT: ARRIS press release: »phx.corporate-ir.net/pho ··· =1828536

Also see: »www.fiercecable.com/pres ··· e-router
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At this week's Cable Show, Comcast demonstrated a 3 Gbps downstream data rate delivered over a DOCSIS HFC network:

Comcast shows off a 3 gigabit broadband connection. That’s fast!
By Stacey Higginbotham, GigaOM - June 11, 2013
»gigaom.com/2013/06/11/co ··· ts-fast/

Comcast press release: »www.businesswire.com/new ··· roadband

On DSL Reports: »Comcast Demonstrates 3 Gbps Cable Connection [68] comments

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While this is impressive it means nothing to me and you in the real world.

That is a short distance, no load, not shared test...

Many areas have 50-70+ homes on one feed. Even if you can say that sucker could do 5Gbps. Say, 30 users out of the 70+ get your faster plans. Not enough exists for everyone still :P

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Re: Dream Modem - 24x8

D-Link announced today its DCM-7662DM DOCSIS 3.0 8x4 (16x8 is optional) "Universal Services Gateway":

D-Link Introduces DOCSIS 3.0 Universal Services Gateway with 802.11AC and Integrated MoCA 2.0
New DOCSIS 3.0 Solution Offers Next-Generation Wireless Technology to Provide Voice, Data and IP-Video Solutions for Cable MSOs

Press Release, PR Newswire - June 11, 2013
»www.prnewswire.com/news- ··· 451.html
quote:
The new Gateway integrates future-proofing features, including Dual Band 802.11AC, MoCA 2.0, DOCSIS 3.0, and PacketCable 1.5, to deliver voice, data and video over IP services securely and reliably via a single platform without the hassle of having to drill into walls.
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CableLabs ultra-broadband demo at the Cable Show

Some details on the CableLabs HFC DOCSIS ultra-broadband HSI demo at the Cable Show:

Cable Show: CableLabs Kicks Tires on Ultra HD
Industry's R&D consortium also demos next-generation cable modem tech running at up to 6 Gbps

By Todd Spangler, Variety - June 11, 2013
»variety.com/2013/digital ··· 0495345/
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In addition, CableLabs is staging two broadband demos, one showing up to 6 gigabit per second download speeds—delivered over coaxial cable. The industry has maintained that it doesn’t need an expensive fiber-to-the-home buildout, like the networks Google Fiber is deploying, to deliver very high Internet connections.

However, to achieve the speeds, the cable modems would consume the bulk of the spectrum on a typical cable system.

In the first demo, a cable modem based on the current DOCSIS 3.0 spec is delivering 4.6 gigabits per second over 768 MHz. The other demo uses the still-in-development DOCSIS 3.1 specification, with silicon from Broadcom, to deliver 6 Gbps in 750 MHz.

“This is dispelling the question, ‘Is DOCSIS 3.1 real?’” said McKinney, formerly CTO of HP’s Personal Systems division who joined CableLabs last year.

Chipsets for DOCSIS 3.1 are expected in early 2014, with products ready for cable operators to roll out starting in 2015, according to CableLabs.

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More information on how the Gigabit speeds were achieved with DOCSIS equipment:

Cable Show: Gigabit DOCSIS? Yeah, we can do that
By Brian Santo, CED Magazine - June 11, 2013
»www.cedmagazine.com/news ··· -do-that
quote:
In the 3.0 demo, CableLabs was bonding 128 channels (using four 32-channel cable modems) to crank out in excess of 4 Gbps in a total of 768 MHz. Gigabits, unequivocally, yes.

The 3.1 specification is far from done, but it is certain the spec will include OFDM modulation and LDPC error correction. So in a demo that relied on those two technologies, CableLabs was pushing data at a clip in excess of 6 Gbps, but in only 650 MHz, the better to show the spectral efficiency inherent in the move to OFDM.

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Re: Comcast's CCAP Deployment Plans

said by telcodad:

At this week's Cable Show, Comcast demonstrated a 3 Gbps downstream data rate delivered over a DOCSIS HFC network:

Comcast shows off a 3 gigabit broadband connection. That’s fast!
By Stacey Higginbotham, GigaOM - June 11, 2013
»gigaom.com/2013/06/11/co ··· ts-fast/

Comcast press release: »www.businesswire.com/new ··· roadband

A follow-up article from Stacey Higginbotham on GigaOM:

Here’s how cable will hit gigabit speeds and create a tricky business problem in the process
By Stacey Higginbotham, GigaOM - June 11, 2013
»gigaom.com/2013/06/11/he ··· process/
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DOCSIS 3.1 Demo

A report on the CableLabs demo of pre-production DOCSIS 3.1 equipment at this week's Cable Show:

Cable Show 2013: CableLabs Shows Off DOCSIS 3.1’s Potential
Demo of Pre-Production Hardware Pumps Out 6 Gigabits Per Second

By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - Juen 12, 2013
»www.multichannel.com/dis ··· l/143873
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Re: Comcast's CCAP Deployment Plans

An MCN "Bauminator" blog entry today on Cisco's new integrated CCAP system called the cBR-8:

Cisco Tips its Integrated CCAP
By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - June 14, 2013
»www.multichannel.com/blo ··· ted-ccap
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A good article about the Converged Cable Access Platform (CCAP) on the CED Magazine site:

Deploying CCAP: Not just another box swap
By Jorge Salinger and Ty Pearman, CED Magazine - June 18, 2013
»www.cedmagazine.com/arti ··· box-swap
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Re: DOCSIS 3.1 Demo

The latest news on DOCSIS 3.1:

SCTE, CABLELABS PARTNER ON DOCSIS 3.1 SYMPOSIUM IN CONJUNCTION WITH SCTE CABLE-TEC EXPO 2013
Society of Cable Telecommunications Engineers (SCTE) Press Release - June 20, 2013
»www.scte.org/scte_cablel ··· ae_2013/

and

Cable-Tec Expo To Spotlight DOCSIS 3.1
SCTE, CableLabs To Team on Pre-Conference Event Focused on the Budding Multi-Gigabit Platform

By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - June 20, 2013
»www.multichannel.com/tec ··· 1/144013

EDIT: An article about this on the FierceCable site also: »www.fiercecable.com/stor ··· 13-06-21
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Re: CableLabs ultra-broadband demo at the Cable Show

In response to a competitor’s fiber-optic HSI service, last week a Netherlands MSO fired up an HFC DOCSIS (3.1) 500 Mbps downstream service:

UPC Netherlands ramps broadband to 500 Mbps
By Mike Robuck, CED Magazine - June 21, 2013
»www.cedmagazine.com/news ··· 500-mbps
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"We had to build a special modem because (DOCSIS) 3.1 chips aren’t out yet. We had to double up on the chips in the modem and put it out there because we had to have a competing product, if anything just in the press. That was a reaction but that tells you how quickly in a marketplace that something can move.”

Warga said the cable modem was capable of bonding 16 channels, but UPC Netherlands was currently bonding more than that.
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“I know a few executives have it (500 Mbps) in their homes, but from there I don’t know who is going to sign up for it,” Warga said. “But you’re right, our biggest product is still 25 megs for 25 euros. Not too many ask for more, but in countries where there’s not a lot of FTTH but there’s fiber deep we do over 120 Mbps service. They’ll (the competition) will come in and say they’re 100, or 101 we’ll come back and say we’re 110 or 120, or 130. It’s a bit of a cat and mouse game, but we always feel like we can be ahead. For us 3.1 can’t come soon enough.”


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Here's a new 16X4 gateway by Arris

»www.arrisi.com/product_c ··· UL13.pdf

»www.arrisi.com/product_c ··· UL13.pdf

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said by Darknessfall:

Here's a new 16X4 gateway by Arris

»www.arrisi.com/product_c ··· UL13.pdf

And here's the corresponding techinical specsheet for it:

Touchstone DOCSIS 3.0 Dual Band Concurrent Wireless Telephony Gateway with MoCA - TG1672G
»www.arrisi.com/product_c ··· UL13.pdf