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kilrathi
Premium
join:2005-04-22
Rockaway Park, NY
reply to DrDrew

Re: Goodbye Clear Qam Channels - FCC ruling

This exactly! I am all for this encryption, I am a customer on another cable ISP(TW) who is suffering constant problems due to illegal cable hookups in the area where people hook up a lot of tvs jus tto steal basic cable for free. With this encryption less people will attempt to just attach any kind of garbage splitter at any cost to get signal because it wont help them.


Davesworld

join:2007-10-30
Everett, WA
Reviews:
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reply to 88615298
said by 88615298:

to be fair satellite, u-verse and FiOS were never subject to this ruling. Having for all or none. On the positive side, since QAM tuners are now useless TV manufacturers don't need to include them and maybe TV prices will go down.

QAM and ATSC tuners are the same hardware, it makes no difference in cost of manufacture. Besides, the tuner front end as a whole is a tiny percent of the cost. The other thing is that QAM TV's should have cablecard slots. You no longer have to have a Tech come out and install one.

TV Monitors were quite common in the early days of HD and were not really any cheaper.

Another point is that by the beginning of 2011, at least with Comcast, all but local channels were encrypted already. Fortunately the majority of TV I watch is from the local affiliates of ABC, NBC, CBS, CW and Fox. Some PBS as well. I started using a good outdoor antenna. Local channels received over the air with a signal of at least 65% will give you the best picture you're going to ever see with 720p and 1080i and TV channels using mpeg2 transport streams.

Watching movies at 1080P from Vudu over the internet which uses an h.264 mpeg4 transport looks slightly better due to h.264 being 40% more bit efficient and can actually best mpeg2 with less bandwidth. It takes more power to decode though.

I just use satellite and local OTA these days.

scififan68

join:2010-10-02
Fremont, NE
reply to kilrathi
I don't see any issues as long as I can keep clearqam locals only, I don't care about analog at all. Because not only does it look horrible on an hdtv, one analog channel takes up an entire qam! I'll go OTA antenna if I lost my locals though.

amungus
Premium
join:2004-11-26
America
Reviews:
·Cox HSI
·KCH Cable
reply to jonboy
Agree with locals staying clear. This should not be messed with, and probably won't.

In any case, it's beyond overdue to make new TVs truly "cable ready" again.

NTSC/ATSC/QAM tuners are all well and good, but, why can a TV not be 'addressable' by now, such as a cable box? Why can I not simply buy a tuner, without needing a cable card for extra channels? Even there, it's near impossible to buy the card from any provider, it must be rented, and have extra fees associated with it.

Why on earth, with all the "smart TV" bullsh|t out there, can a TV not have a unique address that works, um, exactly like the freaking existing boxes? How hard would it be to include all of the whopping TWO major standards (Moto/Scientific Atlanta) that are present at, um, 99.9% of cable plants (as I understand it - I could be wrong), into a TV?

I don't care if they want to encrypt, but make TV "cable ready" again.

Also, please keep these boxes, PLEASE, as the component video outputs on them are pretty much priceless at this point in history, whether people realize it or not. Viva analog.

whoaru99

join:2003-12-17
One reason I can think of is because technology changes and I don't want to have to replace the whole TV because some cable company adopts new stuff. At least with multiple inputs on the TV you can find some way to plug in that external box.

I don't disagree with the concept of universal connectivity, but we sorta all know how that goes.

pandora
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join:2001-06-01
Outland
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reply to jonboy
Sigh ... guess forward isn't the same as hope and change.

This must be forward for someone, probably a few who sit on the FCC or work there.

I wish the FCC would stop pandering to large companies.
--
"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand." - Milton Friedman"

Tarball

join:2006-06-09
Saint Louis, MO
reply to jonboy
So does this mean Charter HASN'T been encrypting local channels already? Ever since they moved around the channel lineup in April, I haven't been able to pick up the locals through ClearQAM.


nunya
LXI 483
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join:2000-12-23
O Fallon, MO
kudos:12
As I understand it, they have been using some neighborhoods in the St Louis area as "test" locations since last year.
--
If someone refers to herself / himself as a "guru", they probably aren't.


PFH
Bully For You

join:2003-06-26
Saint Louis, MO
reply to Tarball
Yeah, I'm in South STL, and I still get a mix of analogs and digitals, locals in HD (2.1, 4.1,5.1, etc.). I thought i had heard that the Central West End, for example, was a neighborhood undergoing a full digital test.

The Mrs. will throw quite a fit on the day we have to put boxes on all our TVs, and I'll need to do a long-overdue redesign of my PVR PC, which currently only has four analog tuners.

Tarball

join:2006-06-09
Saint Louis, MO
said by PFH:

Yeah, I'm in South STL, and I still get a mix of analogs and digitals, locals in HD (2.1, 4.1,5.1, etc.). I thought i had heard that the Central West End, for example, was a neighborhood undergoing a full digital test.

The Mrs. will throw quite a fit on the day we have to put boxes on all our TVs, and I'll need to do a long-overdue redesign of my PVR PC, which currently only has four analog tuners.

It's weird because I get The Weather Channel, TV Guide, and CSPAN-3 in digital, and FX, Travel Channel, and religious channels in analog. So apparently I'm not in a full digital area, but the channels I pick up seem so random. All I care about is the locals, which an antenna is alright for, except when it gets windy/stormy and all the channels start pixelating.

Zappa2000

join:2001-12-16
Kalamazoo, MI
reply to jonboy
Dropping Clear QAM would indeed suck, and while it may be possible to get the same channels OTA, in some areas, that isn't a option without a high powered antenna.

PsychoSy

join:2001-01-15
Monroe, MI
Reviews:
·Charter

1 recommendation

reply to jonboy
Rays: It's really going to suck for Charter to be able to do a service call from the head end without having to send a tech guy out. I much rather have to wait all day for a guy to come out and then get charged $40 or more for the privilege.
It's gonna suck worse for those techs. In all honesty, if I was cable tech, I'd let the thieves, the poor, and the elderly still using their old school TVs for basic cable (because either they can't afford an HDTV or they aren't stupid enough to plunk down $200 for an LCD HDTV with a 1 yr warrant that'll puke within 8 months due to junk capacitors from Taiwan on the invertor) get their grove on while blowing all kinds of smoke and mirrors up my superiors posterior -- up to and including cooking the books (Suuuurrrrre, I installed that filter *snark*) ...

Why?

Self-interest.

The very fact that they are eventually going to encrypt everything so that older CRT based SDTVs will need an STB, and that service calls can be done at the head end literally means my job (and the jobs of my supervisors) are on borrowed time. Much like self-scan checkout lanes did to cashiers. Much like postal carriers once all the utility companies drop snail mail for email. Much like police, soldiers, and firefighters once drone technology matures enough to justify the dehumanization and automation of their respective trades. Their days are numbered, too.

Oh, and do those Charter vans service themselves?!? Who changes the oil, replaces the spark plugs, and turns the wrenches?!? If you don't need a physical human being with a clipboard, utility belt, and Charter ball cap hanging backwards on their noggins, you certainly won't be needing mechanics servicing all the wear and tear they're putting on those vans, either.

So what exactly would I, my fellow human colleagues, and human supervisors get for "corporate loyalty" (i.e. being a narc)?!? It won't extend our employment from being outsourced to a computer by one hour let alone one day. The writing is on the wall. Finding a new line of work is a given. So it be in my immediate self-interest -- especially in this wretched economy -- to artificially extend my employment as much as possible by embracing my inner Yousarrian (for all you Catch 22 fans reading) and keep "moving the bombing line over Balogna" as much as possible ...

It's not like cable providers are against nickle and diming people to death. They just want to be the ones operating the Skinner box as opposed to being on the "business end" of it. Besides that percentage figure of customers effected is already a bogus and cooked figure six ways from Sunday. If they're willing to LIE out their ship-sinking gobs about real bandwidth usage to justify caps and/or bolting a meter to the side of the subscribers' spider hole, they're certainly willing to LIE about the real number of people who'll be effected by bow-to-stern encryption. Especially if it means less wails and whines emanating from your fainting couch since it doesn't effect your ivory tower ...


cork1958
Cork
Premium
join:2000-02-26
Right on, PsychoSy!!

15444104
Premium
join:2012-06-11
@PsychoSy:

That post is one of the most insightful and hilarious I've found around BBR in a long time. Nice!

You should anon e mail this to Charter Corporate.

Even that dolt Tommy Boy Rutledge would probably crack an evil grin.

rd1144

join:2009-02-26
Denver, NC
reply to jonboy
It would be nice if TV manufactures started including cablecard slots again on televisions. They used to do this in the Mid-2000's on hdtv's and stopped because it didnt catch on. It would also be cool if a tuning adapter and EPG could be integrated into televisions too. I dont think it would be that hard. Even if it did have more of a upfront cost for the television, I would be all for one less box.

15444104
Premium
join:2012-06-11
Agreed.....LESS SET TOP BOXES IS BETTER!

PsychoSy

join:2001-01-15
Monroe, MI
Reviews:
·Charter
reply to 15444104
I wouldn't waste my bandwidth. For one, Charter corporate (all cable companies for that matter) has been probably told this already over the years by the ever coalition of the laid off. In the very unlikely chance what I said in my post was never roared back at 'em by one of the laid off, they certainly lurk these boards. In short, they'd have to be living under GEICO's rock to feign ignorance.

Rutledge would certainly crack a grin ... but I don't think it would be evil. More of a "Canary Ate The Cat" Cheshire grin of Schadenfraude more than anything. If there's any person who knows he's just a muppet for the shareholders, it's Rutledge. And if there's anyone that is kept awake at night or having brief issues with insomnia over the biggest threat to all cable/satellite providers, it's Rutledge. Especially if his golden parachute isn't quite golden ...

Because there's a certain Aussie that's far more scarier than all the great unwashed that might be stealing basic cable just to have a night-light (for their sake, I hope it ain't "Pawn Stars" or "American Pickers" - those shows will make anyone sleep with one eye open and "pay" a heavy price for it). He's the type of guy that not only could start the OTA multicasting riot, but get away with it: Rupert Murdoch.

Hence the "Canary Ate The Cat" grin on Rutledge ...

He's not the CEO of Comcast nor TWC ...

And I bet he has no intention of being on Charter's payroll when Murdoch embraces his inner Dick Cheney, and pumps a slug of multicasting 00-buck right in their faces. I certainly wouldn't - there's an ice cold Mojito on a beach in Trinidad with my name on it ... ripcord, don't fail me now!

whoaru99

join:2003-12-17
said by PsychoSy:

a muppet for the shareholders

Like it or not, that is pretty much the job of a CEO.


msmisfit

join:2004-09-13
Lawrenceville, GA
kudos:2
reply to PsychoSy
said by PsychoSy:

Because there's a certain Aussie that's far more scarier than all the great unwashed. He's the type of guy that not only could start the OTA multicasting riot, but get away with it: Rupert Murdoch.

What does this mean? I pray Murdoch isn't going to acquire any more power or influence in this country than he already has.

PsychoSy

join:2001-01-15
Monroe, MI
Reviews:
·Charter
Murdoch (or anyone, for that matter) couldn't possibly acquire more power or influence in this country ... unless they have rewarding enablers who -- when it comes to regulation and oversight -- have a good 30 to 40 year track record demonstrating their capacity to have more waffle than an IHOP ...

Without further ado ... let's meet 'em!

*waves*

Howyadoin' there, Hockacrats?!?

Let's be honest: Murdoch could use ALOT of PR Rehab right about now. And what better people to provide such PR Rehab than the very fence jockeys whose main man in the White House spent his entire first term Socializing their entire existence with bailouts, immunity deals, lack of prosecution, no frog-marching, and ordering us to moovsie and forwardsie just like they did the first time around with Tricky Dick Nixon?!?

It's a big "bipartisan" and "pragmatic" con of kabuki theatre; they all in on it.

The WWE's creative team couldn't have booked it better ...

Considering every time you turn on a TV and see ads about a disruption of channel carriage, more often than not it's Murdoch trying to nickle and dime them by taking hostages. That speaks volumes: the biggest threat to cable isn't freeloaders nor techs that won't narc 'em out; it's other rich elites taking turns eating their own. That's a given once bow to stern encryption is commonplace and the most mundane of service calls can be performed at the head end. Then the game begins in earnest. Without Main Street's thieves, all you got is Wall Street's thieves (and their purchased Beltway Bagmen) ...

15444104
Premium
join:2012-06-11

PsychoSy hits the mark again!

Great observations PsychoSy.

Yep, it doesn't matter which party you are talking about, they are BOTH cut from the same criminal cloth.

Our Government is controlled by a collection of BIpartisan criminals who only care about their own self interests and NOTHING of the people they are SUPPOSED to be serving, "We The People".

onfire

join:2003-03-28
reply to jonboy

Re: Goodbye Clear Qam Channels - FCC ruling

Will this actually be implemented? If so, why haven't I heard anything from Charter via snail mail or TV ad?

I have 2 CRT TVs (one HDTV w/HD box) that have expanded basic that are used everyday, but I will not pay Charter extra money for a box just to watch standard definition on a CRT. So is this actually going into effect in the next month or two?


Or

@charter.com
Depends where you live, a lot of areas that have apartment buildings are being done first and then individual homes after. You should get a letter at least 1 month ahead of time letting you know if the area you live in goes all digital and even then, those areas are getting free DCTs for a year on top of it.

krudl3r

join:2005-06-29
Eau Claire, WI
reply to nonamesleft
Yeah, this really stinks for a bedroom tv that you don't have room for a box... thanks Charter.


88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness
said by krudl3r:

Yeah, this really stinks for a bedroom tv that you don't have room for a box... thanks Charter.

Thanks for what? I haven't heard they are getting rid of clear QAM channels yet.

krudl3r

join:2005-06-29
Eau Claire, WI
They just told me that today... in a couple of months is what I was told.

As posted above, this may be market specific. The rep I spoke to was from WI, as I.


88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness
said by krudl3r:

They just told me that today... in a couple of months is what I was told.

As posted above, this may be market specific. The rep I spoke to was from WI, as I.

What specifically did they say? I know in some areas they are all digital and they will everywhere eventually. But only those that were on analog expanded basic tier need a box and it's not even a regular box is a DTA Not much larger than a roku.

krudl3r

join:2005-06-29
Eau Claire, WI
It was just a brief part of a larger discussion about cancelling the TV portion of my service. I specifically mentioned the FCC ruling and asked if Charter plans to encrypt clear qam and the response was "yes, starting in about two months". I didn't press for details as, while it will affect my service after discontinuing [paying for] TV service, it does not affect the decision (that is strictly based on the cost going from 90 to 135).