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Fri, 19 Oct 2012 23:44:15 EDT

Dude111 posted :

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I agree. Also you are forced to watch their ads. If you pay for something, you shouldn't be subjected to their ads.

I agree bud,tell that to the cable companies and sat companies would ya please?

Re: Simple way to avoid copyright issues

Fri, 19 Oct 2012 18:22:04 EDT

Trencher posted : Yup, we all know polls are BS.. kinda like the ones that are showing Robme in the lead.

Re: Simple way to avoid copyright issues

Wed, 17 Oct 2012 13:22:47 EDT

CXM_Splicer posted :

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Technically you would be devalueing Ferraris in general based on the principals of supply and demand.

Yes, definitely. And I am sure Ferrari would be pissed about it and stamp their feet and shout 'You STOLE that Ferrari!!' But people would laugh at such a ridiculous accusation.

That was a great video, I loved the part with George thinking of the turkey! :D I think it is 100% true but we should take it a little deeper... Mr. McDuck correctly states that duplicating the money will ruin the economy. The thing is, if they really had a Multiphonic Duplicator, it wouldn't ruin the economy... it would render it OBSOLETE. People would have no need to duplicate money... they would simply duplicate the commodity. The economy would simply disappear as people duplicated all the food, clothes, houses, cars, computers, whatever they needed. The people who provided those commodities in the past for a profit might resent their loss of power & position and demand legislation to limit the duplication of commodities. So we would have corporations trying to force us to keep using the old, obsolete model because they found it more profitable.

Re: Simple way to avoid copyright issues

Wed, 17 Oct 2012 12:33:33 EDT

Morac posted :

said by CXM_Splicer:

So now the questions become: If I scan my friend's Ferrari and 'create' another one, have I stolen anything? What if I create 20 Ferraris and give them to my friends? What if I run off a few dozen and open up a lot to sell them? If you want to insist that I am stealing something, please tell me exactly what it is I am stealing.

Technically you would be devalueing Ferraris in general based on the principals of supply and demand.

This episode of the Duck Tales cartoon actually does a good job explaining this:

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_LWQQrp···a_player
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Re: Simple way to avoid copyright issues

Wed, 17 Oct 2012 11:41:31 EDT

CXM_Splicer posted :

said by PaulHikeS2:

I compared you actually manufacturing the Ferrari in your garage to "manufacturing" music meaning actually performing and recording the music. It would be almost the same, but not identical, just like your Ferrari example. A more accurate analogy, but altogether different than a bit by bit idenical copy.

Then you are breaking the analogy to better suit your argument since you know that's not what happens with copyright infringement. If you want a better analogy, you have to go past the physical limitation of not being able to 'create' a perfectly identical copy of something (which copying a file does).

To better the analogy, consider the Star Trek transporter. If you turn off the dematerialize feature and simply scan the physical object and create an identical copy using only pure energy then you will have a better mechanism for describing copyright infringement.

So now the questions become: If I scan my friend's Ferrari and 'create' another one, have I stolen anything? What if I create 20 Ferraris and give them to my friends? What if I run off a few dozen and open up a lot to sell them? If you want to insist that I am stealing something, please tell me exactly what it is I am stealing.

One has to delve deep into science fiction to come up with a scenario that properly compares copyright infringement to shoplifting... that's why the comparison is completely absurd. When you actually DO a proper comparison, almost no one would have a problem with making a copy of a friend's Ferrari for his/her personal use; there is NOTHING WRONG with it. If/when such a Santa Clause machine is invented and everyone has one, what should we do... tightly regulate its use to make sure business doesn't change? Or would it be time to rethink the way products are created & distributed.

You seem to keep going back to a legal definition of Copyright Infringement; I don't know if you read the whole thread or not but it was about comparing copyright infringement to shoplifting.

Re: Simple way to avoid copyright issues

Wed, 17 Oct 2012 08:53:23 EDT

PaulHikeS2 posted : I compared you actually manufacturing the Ferrari in your garage to "manufacturing" music meaning actually performing and recording the music. It would be almost the same, but not identical, just like your Ferrari example. A more accurate analogy, but altogether different than a bit by bit idenical copy.

A bit by bit idenical copy in my opinion would fall under distribution which is copyright infringement.
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Re: Simple way to avoid copyright issues

Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:14:52 EDT

CXM_Splicer posted : Yea, actually it doesn't hurt you argument at all; if anything it helps it. The article's author speculates that:

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We’re seeing once again that music lovers will get their content one way or another, and if they deem it worthy of support, they will buy it. This process includes sampling and discovering content, and in today’s age, piracy is one of the best ways to do it.

So if he is right, and the downloaders are generating sales by sampling & buying, blocking piracy will reduce the amount they will buy.

I agree with you, I don't think six-strikes is going to make a noticeable increase in sales.

Re: Simple way to avoid copyright issues

Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:15:53 EDT

pnh102 posted :

said by Trencher:

Oh ya?... Taken from this exact site.... Totally destroys your argument.

»thenextweb.com/media/2012/10/15/···erparts/

How? All this is is just a telephone poll. It isn't representative of all pirates at all.
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Re: Simple way to avoid copyright issues

Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:04:30 EDT

Rekrul posted :

said by Morac:

said by Rekrul:

It's the same content that I can watch over the air for free...

And again that doesn't matter. It all has to do with licensing.

In other words, common sense doesn't apply where copyright is concerned...

Re: Simple way to avoid copyright issues

Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:55:48 EDT

Trencher posted : Oh ya?... Taken from this exact site.... Totally destroys your argument.

»thenextweb.com/media/2012/10/15/···erparts/

Re: Simple way to avoid copyright issues

Tue, 16 Oct 2012 16:31:35 EDT

CXM_Splicer posted :

said by pnh102:

Didn't you steal this idea from Johnny Cash? :D

No, I only borrowed it... I SWEAR!

Re: Simple way to avoid copyright issues

Tue, 16 Oct 2012 16:29:42 EDT

CXM_Splicer posted :

said by PaulHikeS2:

So...your example is analagous to borrowing your friends music recording, listening to it and performing each part yourself (or hiring professional musicians to do it), recording it, mastering it and producing it, then making a copy of your recording for your personal use and nothing else. Don't really see any problem with that as you're returning the original without keeping a duplicate for your personal use. As that would be copyright infringement which is illegal assuming it's a copyrighted recording.
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Of course it's not "theft" or "stealing".

I have no problem with you modifying the analogy a little as long as my recorded performance is a bit-by-bit identical copy of the original... glad you agree with me that there is no problem :)

Incidentally, since I am using my own electricity to create the 'recorded bits' onto my hard drive, there is little difference between what you describe and copying.

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If you think distribution of copyrighted material is OK, well that's fine, but it's still illegal.

I don't think anyone here is arguing to the contrary.

Re: Simple way to avoid copyright issues

Tue, 16 Oct 2012 12:33:35 EDT

Corehhi posted :

said by PaulHikeS2:

Are we really becoming so uninformed so we believe that just because you don't get prosecuted for something it is legal?

You do realize people use to copy off of albums and the radio on to cassette tapes. Cassette tapes went to the supreme court and it was found you could legally tape for your own personal use??? VHS taping went through the same courts and was proved to be legal to record for your own use. All this stuff has come up before.

Re: Simple way to avoid copyright issues

Tue, 16 Oct 2012 12:25:36 EDT

Corehhi posted :

said by BF69:

said by pnh102:

said by NormanS:

Can anybody cite studies on this, demonstrating that one, or the other is true?

I agree that my post is reasoned speculation, but I certainly do not buy for a second the content industry's claim that every instance of piracy is equal to a lost sale.

I may never intend on paying $8 to see a movie at the local theater. So the theater isn't losing a sale by me sneaking in. That however doesn't give me the right to sneak in because I feel the price is too high and I don't want to pay it.

$8???? My local threader is $14 for an adult 3D movie and $11 for 2D.

Re: Simple way to avoid copyright issues

Tue, 16 Oct 2012 10:29:30 EDT

Morac posted :

said by Rekrul:

It's the same content that I can watch over the air for free...

And again that doesn't matter. It all has to do with licensing.
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Re: Simple way to avoid copyright issues

Tue, 16 Oct 2012 08:38:02 EDT

PaulHikeS2 posted :

said by CXM_Splicer:

Consider the following:

- I go to my friend's house and we watch one of his DVD's together
- I borrow his DVD and watch it at my house
- I go to his house and he gives me a copy of the DVD to take home
- He makes a torrent of the movie and I download it from my house

In each of those scenarios, the end result is the same; I watched the movie without paying for it. In each of those scenarios, my friend had a legally purchased DVD and gave me permission to watch it. In two of those scenarios, I did nothing wrong... in the other two, I have somehow 'stolen' something. In all the situations, the loss is the same.

Of course it's not "theft" or "stealing". But it is copyright infringment, which is illegal. If you think distribution of copyrighted material is OK, well that's fine, but it's still illegal.
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Re: Simple way to avoid copyright issues

Tue, 16 Oct 2012 08:23:58 EDT

PaulHikeS2 posted :

said by CXM_Splicer:

The way he presented the analogy is wrong (and crap) but if you fix it, it makes more sense...

If I get my friends permission to take apart his Ferrari and copy every piece in my workshop, then I put my parts together to make an exact replica of his car, have I somehow STOLEN something? Did my friend (or Ferrari) lose one of their cars? No. You could certainly argue that Ferrari lost the possibility of selling me one of theirs but is that theft? People make copies of products for their own personal use all the time and no one ever thinks it is stealing. It isn't until they start to sell them that they are going to run into morally questionable territory.

The entire concept of 'You stole my intellectual property because you are using it for your own personal use without paying me' is utterly ridiculous. I fully suspect that RIAA/MPAA/Wiley will soon start demanding that libraries charge patrons for the use of the material and send them the money... after all, no one could argue that libraries don't also cost them lost sales.

Re: Simple way to avoid copyright issues

Tue, 16 Oct 2012 06:54:59 EDT

pnh102 posted :

said by CXM_Splicer:

If I get my friends permission to take apart his Ferrari and copy every piece in my workshop, then I put my parts together to make an exact replica of his car, have I somehow STOLEN something? Did my friend (or Ferrari) lose one of their cars? No. You could certainly argue that Ferrari lost the possibility of selling me one of theirs but is that theft? People make copies of products for their own personal use all the time and no one ever thinks it is stealing. It isn't until they start to sell them that they are going to run into morally questionable territory.

Didn't you steal this idea from Johnny Cash? :D
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Re: Simple way to avoid copyright issues

Tue, 16 Oct 2012 06:16:07 EDT

CXM_Splicer posted :

said by Kamus:

said by Shadow01:

I like the way you think... The chances of me ever buying a Ferrari are about zero. That should make it ok for me to steal one. At least they get the advertising from me driving it around. I didn't hurt their sales since I wasn't buying in the first place. :D

That's cool, and when you get a Ferrari, can you please get your sister, mom, friends, Girlfriend and me one too so they can get to know the brand and maybe support them in an upcoming race?

Oh wait, you can't make copies of cars, so your analogy is crap.

Re: Simple way to avoid copyright issues

Tue, 16 Oct 2012 05:40:44 EDT

pnh102 posted :

said by Shadow01:

Did I say it was OK to steal something simply because you couldn't or wouldn't buy that thing?

I am simply disagreeing with the idea that every incident of piracy is a "lost sale."
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Re: Simple way to avoid copyright issues

Tue, 16 Oct 2012 00:50:40 EDT

Rekrul posted :

said by Morac:

It all has to do with licensing. Networks pay broadcasting fees to shows. Your cable company pays a carry fee to the networks and you pay your cable company, so you are in effect paying a broadcast fee. That's different than a download fee since the licensing is different, which is why some downloadable programs (like SNL) have sketches missing.

So it's actually breaking a licensing contract, which while not theft, is illegal.

It's the same content that I can watch over the air for free...

Re: Simple way to avoid copyright issues

Tue, 16 Oct 2012 00:07:55 EDT

Kamus posted :

said by Shadow01:

Re: Simple way to avoid copyright issues

Mon, 15 Oct 2012 21:04:12 EDT

Shadow01 posted :

said by pnh102:

said by Kamus:

said by Linklist:

Listen to or watch something else??

Be careful what you wish for...

This is exactly the kind of thing that should scare the shit out of the MPAA and RIAA.

I agree with you. Most people who pirate stuff would not be buying the content legitimately to begin with. Even if this system "worked," it won't result in significant numbers of people buying content... so who will the content industry blame next for faltering sales?

Re: Simple way to avoid copyright issues

Mon, 15 Oct 2012 20:01:54 EDT

IowaCowboy posted : Also, what I have read about music is that a typical song has two copyrights a copyright on the song itself and a mechanical copyright on the recording (which is why many compilations of older songs are re-recordings of the song by the original artist as they only have to license the song itself and the record company publishing the song can get a new copyright on the re-recording).

You also have to watch out for franchise bands where you'll get a bunch of guys going around as artists/bands from the '60s and '70s and licensing the songs and band names. We were at a boat show years ago and there was a franchise band performing as Danny and the Juniors (my mother grew up in the '60s and 70's so she knew they were a knock-off band and it was not really them).
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Re: Simple way to avoid copyright issues

Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:47:36 EDT

CXM_Splicer posted : Thank you but the questions were more rhetorical (not semantic, I stand corrected). I know there are definite legal answers to the questions but I am more concerned with the common sense implications of things that are made illegal under copyright law.

I will take your second answer as an example:

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If you downloaded from a torrent, you committed infringement. But there are tools to backup your DVD/Bluray that are available everywhere and are rather easy to use.

I agree that a torrent is (as NormanS pointed out) a bad example for technical reasons since torrent programs also upload. But consider Usenet then... if you are entitled to have 1 backup copy, why is it infringement to get that copy from the Internet rather than buying a separate program to do it yourself? Either way you end up with a copy. Sorry, that just makes no sense to me.

Re: Simple way to avoid copyright issues

Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:47:21 EDT

Mordhem posted : This could be argued in many of ways especially when it comes down to who owns the media and license issues. Such as the songwriter who ends up not owning something he actually created because some fancy guys in suits and ties basically ends up owning the material he ends up making only pennies on a sale. When you're at a friends house and he turns on his nice new Blu Ray & plays this new movie he has gotten that you do not own neither does your 4 other friends should he be liable to the damages that you may have just caused the copyright holder?? I just don't see them going hungry in fact many studies have shown sales have went up. The only thing I have seen in the music industry is many artist are moving away from using the large labels because they can make more money doing it their self especially when you don't got to pay the fat cat.

Also taking a medium of any sort and then "Sharing" clones of that said medium can no way be considered the same as "shoplifting The criminal action of stealing goods from a shop while pretending to be a customer causing the shop to lose said product & money" or stealing "to take (the property of another or others) without permission or right, especially secretly or by force: A pickpocket stole his watch.".

Also Note that some people would not have actually went and purchased the said medium if not for seeing or hearing in the first place. Anyways call it what you want but is larger things going on in the world and I don't think Copyright issues should be on top of the list what about human rights and all the other problems we are facing.
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Re: Simple way to avoid copyright issues

Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:10:05 EDT

Simba7 posted :

said by CXM_Splicer:

What if that person loses my original, should I erase the songs from my iPod?

According to copyright law, you are allowed to make one backup of the original. So, make a backup and hide the original. If the backup gets destroyed, make another.

said by CXM_Splicer:

If I own a copy of a DVD but want an archival copy, can I download that archive from a torrent or have I committed infringement?

If you downloaded from a torrent, you committed infringement. But there are tools to backup your DVD/Bluray that are available everywhere and are rather easy to use.
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Re: Simple way to avoid copyright issues

Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:08:10 EDT

pnh102 posted :

said by BF69:

You're missing my point. My reluctance to pay doesn't not give me a right to that content.

I'm not claiming it does.

Me personally, I agree that copyrights must be respected by all, but I don't think that my ISP subscriber fees should be financing that effect, especially when I have to prove that I am innocent of such infringement should I get one of these love notes. As a paying customer, I am the boss, and it is my ass that should be kissed by the vendor, not the other way around.

If content owners wish to go after those who infringe on their work, there exist plenty of existing legal vehicles for them to go do that.
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Re: Simple way to avoid copyright issues

Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:07:54 EDT

CXM_Splicer posted : Ahhh, so the plot thickens. Now Violation of License terms = Shoplifting... ok, got it. So I guess if I root my phone and tether it I am also shoplifting?

Just out of curiosity, if all you are buying is a license to view/listen to the work, what is that shiny round plastic thing? If I shoplift that extra plastic doohickey from Best Buy, does the license get shoplifted with it? I also find it very strange that you can 'loan' your purchased license to other people, I would think you need the permission of the content owner to loan or transfer the license to another party. After all, what if they don't agree to said license?

Re: Simple way to avoid copyright issues

Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:01:28 EDT

Linklist posted :

said by Simba7:

said by BF69:

Do you pay for cable tv? it has LOTS of ads.

It wasn't decades ago. You paid for CATV to avoid ads and get a better picture. Now, I dunno.

You pay for CATV to get 300 channels instead of a dozen max OTA.
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Re: Simple way to avoid copyright issues

Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:00:16 EDT

Simba7 posted :

said by BF69:

Do you pay for cable tv? it has LOTS of ads.

It wasn't decades ago. You paid for CATV to avoid ads and get a better picture. Now, I dunno.

Re: Simple way to avoid copyright issues

Mon, 15 Oct 2012 18:42:22 EDT

IowaCowboy posted : When you purchase a music or movie from a legal source, you do not own the media or the content. You are purchasing a license to view or listen to the content for private home viewing. The copyright owner actually owns the work and they are selling you a license to view the work. The terms of the license prohibit you from copying or redistributing the work without the written consent of the copyright holder. As for quality, if you want high quality music or movies, go to Best Buy and buy the CD or Blu-Ray. I just bought the new CD by Green Day at Best Buy today and I popped the disc into the CD player in my car and nearly blew the speakers because the bitrate was so high that it was too loud for my usual volume setting for my iPhone connected to the deck via a dock cable.

Don't forget to pay for the CD or Blu-Ray on your way out of Best Buy :D

Entities that use copyrighted content for public exhibition (such as DJs, radio stations, sports venues, etc) have to pay huge licensing fees to the copyright holder to play/show copyrighted content and they pay way more than the $11.99 I paid for the new Green Day album at Best Buy.

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Re: Simple way to avoid copyright issues

Mon, 15 Oct 2012 18:21:49 EDT

Mordhem posted :

said by IowaCowboy:

If it's copyrighted, pay for it and download it from a legitimate source such as iTunes or Netflix.

Illegal downloading is a high tech form of shoplifting as it is similar to shoplifting a CD or DVD at Best Buy or Target. Downloading illegally is basically theft in my book.

Yes do what this man says, also don't forget to do like him and when you sit on it rotate make sure you have a smile for all those poor people waiting in food lines because you have shared a file and sharing is and always has been stealing!!! BTW IowaCowboy can you please make sure to share your book with us in the torrent community because I can tell you from my own personal experience I have been losing sleep over it and I just don't know what to do!

Re: Simple way to avoid copyright issues

Mon, 15 Oct 2012 17:41:59 EDT

Van posted :

said by NormanS:

said by BF69:

said by pnh102:

Most people who pirate stuff would not be buying the content legitimately to begin with.

That's not true and you're just stereotyping people.

Can anybody cite studies on this, demonstrating that one, or the other is true?

Ever heard of iTunes? Or the insanely rising sales of online video sales? Or are we ignoring those quite easily seen options?

Good products with Good values and Good selections MAKE MONEY HAND-IN-FIST.

Of course, we usually get a half-assed try with most online sources and then those who cant find their stuff ANYWHERE (like me) end up pirating it.

Want me to buy it? Put it up. I buy everything I can legally.

Re: Simple way to avoid copyright issues

Mon, 15 Oct 2012 17:28:00 EDT

vukota posted :

said by BF69:

said by CXM_Splicer:

As I said to Morac, I can go to a friend's house and view the content without paying for it... HE paid for it but I didn't; why is THAT not stealing?

A) You're friend paid for the content

B) watching at a friend's who that gave you permission to do so is 100% different than sneaking into a theater without permission and I think you know that.

So to make analogy, according to your view

A) Friend paid for the content

B) Friend gave me permission to watch a movie from his computer using remote desktop or similar application (so I don't have to go to his house)

IS perfectly legal? ;)

Or another scenario, Friend paid for a Netflix and he is willing to share his account info with me, is perfectly legal too?

Or friend purchased (or rented) a DVD, watched a movie and now borrowed it to me so I can watch it too?

Or friend purchased a DVD, watched a movie and now would like to sell it to me (for less than what he paid for), that should be legal too?

Well RIAA doesn't think so.

Re: Simple way to avoid copyright issues

Mon, 15 Oct 2012 17:21:26 EDT

skeechan posted : I'm sure your employer would love to "donate" to your paycheck.

Re: Simple way to avoid copyright issues

Mon, 15 Oct 2012 17:20:37 EDT

CXM_Splicer posted :

said by BF69:

A) You're friend paid for the content

B) watching at a friend's who that gave you permission to do so is 100% different than sneaking into a theater without permission and I think you know that.

Your post that I replied to specified that you were talking about ME VIEWING THE CONTENT WITHOUT PAYING. You seem to be implying that it is the content which is 'stolen'. As I have just pointed out, this is not the case. Looking deeper into your post it is clear that, by me downloading content for free, you feel slighted since you paid for it. That feeling is what is driving your argument... not logic. You now have to backtrack and say that as long as my friend paid for it, it is ok. The problem with that logic is that as long as my friend paid for it, then I should be able to copy it too since we both agree that I am entitled to view the content. The 'loss' to the content owner is EXACTLY the same.

Consider the following:

- I go to my friend's house and we watch one of his DVD's together
- I borrow his DVD and watch it at my house
- I go to his house and he gives me a copy of the DVD to take home
- He makes a torrent of the movie and I download it from my house

In each of those scenarios, the end result is the same; I watched the movie without paying for it. In each of those scenarios, my friend had a legally purchased DVD and gave me permission to watch it. In two of those scenarios, I did nothing wrong... in the other two, I have somehow 'stolen' something. In all the situations, the loss is the same.

If you have some other concept of what is being 'stolen" I would be happy to go down that road too. I don't have a problem with colloquialism; Casanova was a thief of hearts, people steal words out of my mouth, I even took a girl's virginity once (although strangely, I didn't become a virgin once I had it). But none of these acts makes one a criminal.

Re: Simple way to avoid copyright issues

Mon, 15 Oct 2012 17:20:23 EDT

kxrm posted : But My friend on the internet gave me this copy, he paid for it. So it's cool now right?

Re: Simple way to avoid copyright issues

Mon, 15 Oct 2012 17:04:20 EDT

BF69 posted :

said by NormanS:

said by BF69:

I'd be interested in seeing a study of how many people that illegally down are also on some for of government assistance compared to the rest of the population.

Now who is stereotyping!

I'm not stereotyping because I never said ALL people that illegally download are on government assistance. Besides I just said I'd like to see a study. That study could go one way or the other. You have an issue with research?

Re: Simple way to avoid copyright issues

Mon, 15 Oct 2012 17:02:28 EDT

BF69 posted :

said by seamore:

said by slckusr:

I just recently downloaded an album to see if it was any good, few days later I paid for a lesser quality version of what I downloaded. /shrug

Sadly, some would say "too bad."

That's directed towards me and is in fact have nothing to do with what I said. Your comment is stupid.

Re: Simple way to avoid copyright issues

Mon, 15 Oct 2012 17:01:16 EDT

BF69 posted :

said by pnh102:

said by BF69:

I may never intend on paying $8 to see a movie at the local theater. So the theater isn't losing a sale by me sneaking in.

That's not what the content industry is arguing.

They are claiming that everyone who sneaks into the theater or otherwise watches the movie illegitimately would have paid the $11 ($8? Nice!) for a ticket to watch the movie, if there was simply enough incentive to do so.

You're missing my point. My reluctance to pay doesn't not give me a right to that content.

Re: Simple way to avoid copyright issues

Mon, 15 Oct 2012 16:04:26 EDT

seamore posted :

said by slckusr:

I just recently downloaded an album to see if it was any good, few days later I paid for a lesser quality version of what I downloaded. /shrug

Sadly, some would say "too bad."

Re: Simple way to avoid copyright issues

Mon, 15 Oct 2012 16:02:53 EDT

slckusr posted :

said by pnh102:

said by Kamus:

said by Linklist:

Listen to or watch something else??

Be careful what you wish for...

This is exactly the kind of thing that should scare the shit out of the MPAA and RIAA.

I just recently downloaded an album to see if it was any good, few days later I paid for a lesser quality version of what I downloaded. /shrug

Re: Simple way to avoid copyright issues

Mon, 15 Oct 2012 15:55:21 EDT

en103 posted : I agree with your stance.
If I stream the news - how do I know if I'm the images that I'm watching are legal?
If I'm listening to Shoutcast, how do I know if I'm listening to a 'pirate' radio (it may not be from the US).

Re: Simple way to avoid copyright issues

Mon, 15 Oct 2012 15:35:35 EDT

en103 posted : If someone leaves $1000 on the street - is it theft or loss ?

The real issue here becomes is it the person who stumbles onto a website and watches video/listens to music stealing vs. the person that is hosting allowing the content to be streamed/downloaded.

Personally - its the person that is putting it out there for all to access (similar to copyright laws against having CD's played for public events w/o royalties). You go after the one that's pushing it, not and not fine those that are in the crowd listening to it.

Re: Simple way to avoid copyright issues

Mon, 15 Oct 2012 15:34:25 EDT

pnh102 posted :

said by BF69:

I may never intend on paying $8 to see a movie at the local theater. So the theater isn't losing a sale by me sneaking in.

Re: Simple way to avoid copyright issues

Mon, 15 Oct 2012 15:34:14 EDT

FBGuy posted : of course.

Re: Simple way to avoid copyright issues

Mon, 15 Oct 2012 15:23:34 EDT

NormanS posted :

said by BF69:

I'd be interested in seeing a study of how many people that illegally down are also on some for of government assistance compared to the rest of the population.

Now who is stereotyping!
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Re: Simple way to avoid copyright issues

Mon, 15 Oct 2012 15:17:20 EDT

BF69 posted : I'd be interested in seeing a study of how many people that illegally down are also on some for of government assistance compared to the rest of the population. It seems those that justify it have a sense of entitlement. And I suspect people with a sense of entitlement tend to get entitlements. Let's face it if one is going to illegally download a movie you can rent from RedBox for $1.20 well that's being really cheap.

Re: Simple way to avoid copyright issues

Mon, 15 Oct 2012 15:14:58 EDT

en103 posted : You 'can' pay for 'on-Demand' or wait until it comes on Blu-Ray/DVD at the local RedBox.

There are legal alternatives.

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