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Link Logger
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Amanda Todd, her bulliers etc and Anonymous

This whole thing has continued to spin out of control and no doubt its a sad and tragic story, but the question is where do we go from here and how. First no one would like to see the person or persons who tormented this girl receive the vigilante justice they deserve (dead in a ditch somewhere), but really there has to be a better way (Blake's law doesn't have a lot of repeat offenders, but good thing its not the law of the land) and so I hope the police investigation has kicked into overdrive and these people and the evidence are collected before its destroyed and charges can be laid and evidence presented in court and sentences handed out and served (if that is the finding of the courts).

I have some questions however, first how the heck did autopsy photos end up online as tragic and preventable the chain of events were that lead to her suicide, the same could be said of this photo getting out (if in fact that is her, I have my doubts as I can't believe they would screw up this badly that a photo like that would end up online). An investigation needs to be held on this matter as really this sort of thing shouldn't be happening ever. If this did in fact occur then someone ought to be facing charges (either for hacking, or leaking said photo, and/or stupidity). If it is a fake, its still a very bad comment on some humans who no doubt deserve a good smack to the head.

Second, I hope that Anonymous just didn't undo a bunch of investigative work where now these scum bags end up going free as law enforcement has rules that they have to work with when doing an investigation, Anonymous works without these rules and might have compromised the whole civic justice process.

What a sad messed up world we live in.

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Name Game
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No idea if they are fake..but the sad part of it is...
Are autopsy reports a public record?

»boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/sho···t=493162
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Mele20
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Who is Amanda Todd?

Why assume everyone reading this thread has heard of her? I'll go look her up on Google, but it would have nice if you had given a bit of information about what you are referring to and maybe a really good link.
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Name Game
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reading the next link is heart breaking but seems to have all the uptodate details.

Unfortunately the Amanda Todd story gets worse, as her exploitation did not end at death. After autopsy photos of Amanda, naked and deceased, leaked onto the internet, the hacktivist group Anonymous responded. Anonymous claimed that a teenager named Alex Ramos distributed the photos, and proceeded to bomb his Twitter account. In what was publicly available on Alex’s Twitter timeline yesterday night, he insisted that what he found was simply available over Google Images. The biography of his Twitter account has now been hacked to say “Raging faggot that loves posting nudes of a dead suicide victim.”

Anonymous has also, supposedly, uncovered the identity of the pedophile that tracked and blackmailed Amanda. In a document they leaked to the text file sharing service Pastebin, they allege that the pedophile’s name is Kody Maxson of New Westminister, British Columbia. To back up their claims, they linked to a Facebook picture that’s protected (so that’s no help) and a quote from an account tied to Kody Maxson on a jailbait forum, where he posted images of nude teenagers and made it known he was blackmailing underage girls.

»www.vice.com/read/a-jailbait-lov···dds-life

»answers.yahoo.com/question/index···1AAR5TMX

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Prison Legal News v. EOUSA, No. 08-01055, 2009 WL 2982841 (D. Colo. Sept. 16, 2009) (Krieger, J.). The "use of autopsy photos and videos at the [inmates' murder] trials does not negate the application of Exemption 7(C)." The court reasons that since the "family members of a murder victim do not decide whether a trial occurs nor control the selection of evidence to be admitted," "the presentation of evidence in which they have a privacy right at a criminal trial would not constitute a waiver of their rights." Additionally, the court observes that the limited public disclosure of the death scene evidence at trial is "vastly different" than the release of the same material under the FOIA which "is absolute, unrestrained and perpetual."

»www.justice.gov/oip/courtdecisio···ain.html

BTW Blake, I know where this guy found the photo...so think he is telling the truth..but I think the photo is fake.
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Link Logger
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Watch this

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej7afkypUsc


And then she committed suicide as part of this sad never ending story.

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KoRnGtL15
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Re: Amanda Todd, her bulliers etc and Anonymous

Until it becomes a crime. It will always continue. Even then. People will still do it since they are ignorant and a waste to society.



Dude111
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Yes its very sad,this world is beyond help....



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Re: Amanda Todd, her bulliers etc and Anonymous

Oh great. this.

After a twitter user called ihatealexramos sent out the (alleged) autopsy pic of Amanda Todd, an established anon named Anon_Central decided to launch an OP against him for tweeting k-porn.

However, for some reason known only to Anon_Central he had retweeted the original tweet, including the pic - as evidence for action against ihatealexramos.

The next day (today), Anon_Central's account was suspended about 1pm.
There followed a flood of outraged tweets by Anon_Central followers berating twitter for suspending him - assuming he was canned due to his anon activities.

Another anon (UN57) who was in contact with anons in IRC, surfaced long enough to offer that the anon consensus was that the suspension was due to retweeting the pic.
Which was a bit odd seeing how the ihatealexramos account was still online.

Durning all this Alex Ramos changed twitter names to shuxbro after his first account was hacked and backdropped with gay porn.

After that it just goes downhill.
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Web 1 became Web 2. The internet as envisioned was supposed to be Web 1. Of course, that did not suit the government, the banks, the corporations, big business, etc so young people, in particular, were lured to Web 2 and this tragedy is the direct result of that. It is never gong to get better either. We had something magnificent in Web 1 and that has been totally trashed, deliberately, by big money that runs this sad world. The kids, and even most adults, became brainwashed and embraced Web 2. Now there is no going back and going forward is hell for many and treacherous for the rest.
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KodiacZiller
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While I feel for this girl, there was a simple (far less permanent) solution to her problems -- get off the fucking Internet, at least for a while. Then after she got her head cleared, she could have come back, changed ISP's, and gotten off that scourge that is Facebook and Twitter.

In the meantime she should have sought professional psychiatric help (indeed anyone who is suicidal should do just that). People who kill themselves over bullying have deeper seated issues than just the bullying. Yes, the bullies are punks, but committing suicide over it is not the sign of someone emotionally sound.

Bullying is nothing new. When I was growing up there were people I knew that would put the 4chan people to shame. Only difference is there was no Internet so they had to do it face to face (or over the phone). Not condoning it at all, but it is what it is.
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Link Logger
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The problem is the bullying goes offline, like the prev that knocked on her door at 4am, or the kids that beat her up at school, the problem might have started online, but it can spread from there. While she might have bailed on the internet those bullying her didn't and once its online you can't just turn it off for everyone.

This case had a very long chain of events and situations occur and if anyone of those would have gone 'better' the outcome would have been very different, but an easy fix for once it spun up, doesn't really exist.

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norwegian
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This is a daily routine for so many teenagers out there on public social sites, mobile phones, iphones, ipads, PDA's, laptops, letters in the post box, etc.
I still remember those early chat rooms that started all this.

It didn't help when governments brought in punishment for parents that discipline their own children. But then the early years police force and local govt agencies took children of some races. I could go on........

My daughter who showed me this suggested a gun to sort out the increments......and we are not a violent family.
RIP dear child and I hope you have a good nights sleep at last.
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said by KoRnGtL15:

Until it becomes a crime. It will always continue. Even then. People will still do it since they are ignorant and a waste to society.

The weird part that is 'only on the internet' is there are people who get off on trolling and it attract hits and attention for them etc so it just cycles ever larger (think Howard Stern but on the internet). Sometimes I wonder if we should just declare this a failed experiment and yank the plug on the internet and move on.

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Mele20
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said by Link Logger:

Sometimes I wonder if we should just declare this a failed experiment and yank the plug on the internet and move on.

Blake

Oh, come on. You can't be that naive. That will never happen. We the people ceded any control over the internet when "we" (not me but most people) eagerly embraced Web 2. That is spelled SHEEPLE and they ruined the internet without a single thought as to what horrors they were allowing to come when they decided that ANON should be shunned and that all needed full name, address, family history, etc plastered all over the internet oblivious to what their greed would bring, You cannot have your cake and eat it also and folks never seem to learn this. Sigh.
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MaynardKrebs
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said by Name Game:



Public Domain

Prison Legal News v. EOUSA, No. 08-01055, 2009 WL 2982841 (D. Colo. Sept. 16, 2009) (Krieger, J.). The "use of autopsy photos and videos at the [inmates' murder] trials does not negate the application of Exemption 7(C)." The court reasons that since the "family members of a murder victim do not decide whether a trial occurs nor control the selection of evidence to be admitted," "the presentation of evidence in which they have a privacy right at a criminal trial would not constitute a waiver of their rights." Additionally, the court observes that the limited public disclosure of the death scene evidence at trial is "vastly different" than the release of the same material under the FOIA which "is absolute, unrestrained and perpetual."

»www.justice.gov/oip/courtdecisio···ain.html

BTW Blake, I know where this guy found the photo...so think he is telling the truth..but I think the photo is fake.

I'm not certain exactly what the law is about the allegedly leaked autopsy photos, but don't assume that laws in Canada are the laws of the US.


siljaline
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quote:
The tragic story of BC teen suicide victim Amanda Todd has taken another bizarre twist as the internet hacking and activist group Anonymous has named a man the group says was the girl's primary tormentor.

Anonymous published the name and address of a Vancouver-area man that the group claims was bullying and preying on Todd via the internet.
Article

»Anonymous strikes again (in Amanda Todd's case)


siljaline
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See Wikipedia article: *note - article may be deleted *
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanda_Todd



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said by Mele20:

said by Link Logger:

Sometimes I wonder if we should just declare this a failed experiment and yank the plug on the internet and move on.

Blake

Oh, come on. You can't be that naive. That will never happen. We the people ceded any control over the internet when "we" (not me but most people) eagerly embraced Web 2. That is spelled SHEEPLE and they ruined the internet without a single thought as to what horrors they were allowing to come when they decided that ANON should be shunned and that all needed full name, address, family history, etc plastered all over the internet oblivious to what their greed would bring, You cannot have your cake and eat it also and folks never seem to learn this. Sigh.

I actually agree with Melee for once. I agree that anonymity is essential to any free society, especially when it comes to the Internet. Unfortunately the powers that be (big Data and big Government) are trying to make anonymity more and more difficult if not impossible.

I still think most of this problem is social. Since humans are still in the infancy of the "digital age" people simply haven't "evolved" to deal with this new world. Eventually people will get wise and I think we will see a bigger push towards anonymity online. And maybe one day, teenage girls will learn not to flash the camera for strangers.

And, where was this girl's father during all this? If this happened to my daughter, I would probably be in prison for murder.
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The problem with technology, and something I've been discussing here to help prove the point - it is in your home.

We all had bullies, harassment, peer group pressure etc, but once home you were within the safety zone of your own family, now with social networking/computers, phones, etc, that buffer zone called home no longer exists for many of our youth, and they are growing up with the pressures of today's society, a faster world and no where to go for respite and solitude from it all. The fort once called home has been eroded, and as a consequence they either get stronger or weaker from this new world. Some stand taller and some have cracks appear until the only safety they feel is 'out'.......a sad, sad result.
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JBear

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Such a sad and tragic story as the OP said. I think unfortunately Anonymous may have gone to far (as they usually do). I don't understand why they just don't send information to the authorities instead of potentially ruining someone's life who is as of right now innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

To add to norwegian See Profile's point, another problem with technology is that a lot of parents never really grew up with it. I'd assume Amanda's parents are probably the age where they are not really tech savvy and didn't really know what was going on with their daughter until the blackmail started. I think this may change as the younger tech driven generations become parents themselves and more sad stories such as this one make the headlines.



Dude111
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I read they got the wrong guy by mistake so yes LIKE YOU SAID,they should have just given it to the authorities INSTEAD OF BLINDLY SPREADING THE INNOCENT GUYS STUFF ALL OVER!! -- I know they meant well but w/o knowing for sure,ITS NOT WISE TO DO THAT!!


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Re: Amanda Todd, her bulliers etc and Anonymous

said by JBear:

I'd assume Amanda's parents are probably the age where they are not really tech savvy and didn't really know what was going on with their daughter until the blackmail started. I think this may change as the younger tech driven generations become parents themselves and more sad stories such as this one make the headlines.

Her mother is a TEACHER OF YOUNG PEOPLE. She knows about computers. It would be the grandparents that might not know much about computers. The whole thing is fishy....why did her parents raise her to believe it was ok to flash her tits, especially at such a young age, to strangers on the internet? Why weren't they paying more attention to what she was doing online?

I sure wouldn't want her mom teaching my kids!
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JBear

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From what I gather, she flashed them to someone who had built a rapport with her. Also remember that we are not talking about a fully grown adult woman here but about a young lady who was 15 when this ended. This grown man could have swooned her easily to get a flash.



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But what ethical values did her parents teach her, if any, that she didn't respect herself enough not to flash body parts?



AVD
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said by KoRnGtL15:

Until it becomes a crime. It will always continue. Even then. People will still do it since they are ignorant and a waste to society.

I would assume that most of these activities already run afoul of current law.

We don't need new laws, although there might be some fine tuning of existing laws.
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AVD
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said by DownTheShore:

But what ethical values did her parents teach her, if any, that she didn't respect herself enough not to flash body parts?

you (plural) would have a better case if this was an isolated incident. But the internet is flooded with sexting and other simiral activities., and not just my misadjusted malcontents, but even celebrities.
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