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Re: What do you expect???

Wed, 31 Oct 2012 15:10:51 EDT

EricPost7 posted : What a joke!!! Have you ever heard of the REA. Back in the Great Depression, rural area didn't have electricity. Everyone said, it would be impossible to wire the nation, especially very small rural areas.

Then came the Great Depression. The government hired workers to string the nation, pole to pole and provide electricity. By 1953, Kentucky the last state was finished and the nation was declared, wired for electric. Sure it was missing one or two very isolated areas, and WWII interrupted a lot of the time frame but it was EASY to do.

So it's BS to say fiber wouldn't work. Use the SAME POLES and SAME PATHS as the electric wire. Hire people from the Great RECESSION to lay the lines.

Make the lines open to ANYONE and completion would flourish and rates would plummet.

It worked before and it could work again. Now, for those of you still scratching your head, shall I tell the cat and have the cat explain it to you. Cause the cat is gonna get it.

Re: What do you expect???

Sat, 20 Oct 2012 12:06:07 EDT

NormanS posted :

said by JasonOD :

So AT&T will allow people to stay on DSL until wireless matures and comes down in cost (it will). WIN WIN.

Data "By-the-Byte"? AT&T wants to invest in wireless because the profit margins are so high. Insanely high. Possibly even obscenely high.

No thank you; I am not interested.
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Re: What do you expect???

Sat, 20 Oct 2012 09:19:26 EDT

lv66vette posted : Social Security and Medicare are a form of socialism, how many elderly are going to give them up?

Re: What do you expect???

Fri, 19 Oct 2012 07:36:18 EDT

aaronwt posted :

said by JasonOD :

DSL can't compete in todays world so why would you expect AT&T to keep throwing money at it?

As VZ proved (and google is about to find out), fibre to the home isn't a viable product for many reasons not just cost. So that leaves wireless, which AT&T is investing a STUNNING amount.

So AT&T will allow people to stay on DSL until wireless matures and comes down in cost (it will). WIN WIN.

FiOS proved that Fiber can be profitable. It just doesn't have the sky high profit margins that wireless has.

Re: What do you expect???

Fri, 19 Oct 2012 07:01:48 EDT

anon posted : Communism is not the answer. Regulations that force a person to part with their wealth to enrich the life of another is socialism.

Re: What do you expect???

Wed, 17 Oct 2012 19:25:11 EDT

elray posted :

said by gaforces:

said by JasonOD :

What proofs do you have that ftth isnt viable? Looks to me that Verizon is a very profitable enterprise.

Show us proof that Verizon is profiting from FTTH, and that over the next ten years, if they risk billions more expanding their footprint, that potential customers in those areas will pay the market rate for Fios at rate greater than current penetration rates, even as LTE and Coax offerings come in cheaper and cheaper.

Until someone figures out how to reduce the cost of FTTH down to DSL levels, copper and coax will rule the day. It doesn't matter that FTTH is the best, most superior technology. If the majority of customers don't want to pay for it, it isn't incumbent on the incumbent to install it, unless, perhaps, you want to return them to legal monopoly status, inclusive of MSO and LTE franchises, and that won't be cheap.

Re: What do you expect???

Wed, 17 Oct 2012 17:40:30 EDT

Davesworld posted : Unless wireless allows each user to have their own AP and pipe from the AP it's not even almost as viable as any wired connection. For my needs I have to have under 10ms jitter maximum, latency well below 50ms and 0 packet loss as well as consistent bandwidth near or at the top of what I am paying for 24/7.

DSL is doing just fine in today's world. The only thing I would rather have than DSL is fiber to the premises. I will be bonding DSL lines soon. I have a big disdain over cable companies.

I do have a router set up with cellular data as a backup but that is the extent of it's usefulness.

Wireless = better than nothing. Verizon proved? Well, they have proven to be the most draconian of all US carriers. Then there is false advertising which all carriers now do by calling their service 4G. If it's under 160mbs speed it isn't technically 4G. My link to the tower is 42mbs but I have never seen much over 5mbs in any tests. The most I ever got on upload is just shy of 1mbs.

Wireless does not have a magic infinite bandwidth backhaul going to each tower. Whatever backhaul your wireless connection is on is shared with a lot of people.

Re: What do you expect???

Wed, 17 Oct 2012 17:23:33 EDT

anon posted : Sewer and Storm systems are perfect for fiber, as the French, British, and many others have found.

Great, but GET THE SUBSIDIES BACK FROM THE TELCOS TOO. They took the money, paid off the plutocrats and executives, greased up the politicians, so right now GIMME! When DSL and/or cable dies, refund the money to the customers left high and dry.

Re: What do you expect???

Wed, 17 Oct 2012 12:58:28 EDT

NormanS posted :

said by JasonOD :

As VZ proved (and google is about to find out), fibre to the home isn't a viable product for many reasons not just cost.

You forgot to mention Paxio, Sonic.net. and Surewest; all of which have invested in FTTH successfully.
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Re: What do you expect???

Wed, 17 Oct 2012 12:32:51 EDT

Skippy25 posted : You're right... it will never happen until they are regulated into making it happen. Hopefully that day will come sooner rather than later.

Re: What do you expect???

Wed, 17 Oct 2012 12:16:32 EDT

VerizonCynic posted : They key is in the sewer!! lol »www.muninetworks.org/content/ore···ployment

this really does need to be perfected. Wireless networks have huge problems as well including security holes
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Re: What do you expect???

Wed, 17 Oct 2012 11:49:47 EDT

buddahbless posted : I Agree FTTH is profitable if done right, to the start the savings from not having to worry about copper theft in the rural areas were some places are replacing copper as much as 2-3x a year ( were its reported its now a epidemic that will continue to rise) that alone makes it more than a viable option for cost saving. One sign on every pole reading " this pole is strung with fiber wire, No resale value" would end the rash of copper theft.

If you haven't noticed Jason ATT and Verizon already have there cover story down so prices for fixed wireless will stay up..." spectrum is scarce and hard to come by we don't have enough!" yet there business model is to push everyone to wireless? thats a catch 22. Ending the one technology that can be run to everyone and has more than enough capex for future use, fiber.

Its only a win win for ATT, loose loose for the customer.

Re: What do you expect???

Wed, 17 Oct 2012 11:38:57 EDT

openbox9 posted : Why isn't that a viable option? Other rural carriers exists. Why need make another one?

said by Skippy25:

they can provide the service and suck up the expense

And that's why it will never happen.

Re: What do you expect???

Wed, 17 Oct 2012 11:14:29 EDT

Skippy25 posted : You and I both know that is not a viable option, which of course is why you suggested it.

I understand financially rural markets are no quick return. However, I also understand that broadband/telecommunications are way to important to neglect them. They have the resources, they received the incentives, they can provide the service and suck up the expense while they enjoy their monopolistic/duopolistic market prices.

Re: What do you expect???

Wed, 17 Oct 2012 11:08:46 EDT

openbox9 posted : Perhaps AT&T should just spin off it's rural markets into a new company and let it stand on its own merits providing services to unwanted markets.

Re: What do you expect???

Wed, 17 Oct 2012 10:57:05 EDT

Skippy25 posted : One wouldn't, which is why the clowns should be rolling FTTH. Which of course they should of started doing 3-5 years ago.

I would like to see regulators make 2 companies out of ATT. One wireline, the other wireless. ATT of course wont do that voluntarily because their plan to do as stated (let it go and come back with LTE) would require their inferior and expensive wireless to compete with the wireline.

Re: What do you expect???

Wed, 17 Oct 2012 10:52:44 EDT

gaforces posted :

said by JasonOD :

What proofs do you have that ftth isnt viable? Looks to me that Verizon is a very profitable enterprise.

Wireless has lower caps, overage charges, and higher latency.
While wireless may be more viable for a company to engage in profiteering, it is not more viable for end users.

profiteer (plural profiteers)
1.(pejorative) One who makes an unreasonable profit not justified by cost or risk.
»en.wiktionary.org/wiki/profiteer

What do you expect???

Wed, 17 Oct 2012 09:47:27 EDT

anon posted : DSL can't compete in todays world so why would you expect AT&T to keep throwing money at it?

As VZ proved (and google is about to find out), fibre to the home isn't a viable product for many reasons not just cost. So that leaves wireless, which AT&T is investing a STUNNING amount.

So AT&T will allow people to stay on DSL until wireless matures and comes down in cost (it will). WIN WIN.